Reverse Tim Duncan - The Dwight Howard Thread

[HoopsMalone]

I really don't understand why you choose to ignore the stats on our offensive performance with Dwight on the floor, it seems so disingenuous. Of all 5 man lineups in the league that have played 50 minutes or more this season (60 total), our current starting lineup ranks 10th in ORTG. Our lineup of Dwight, Kemba, Lamb, Bacon, and Marv ranks 7th.

Dwight being on the floor has not prevented us from having a very good offense. Just give it up.

Lol, cherrypicking again....

There is no better measure of how we perform with him on the floor than looking at the number of points scored per 100 possessions. Either you don't know what cherrypicking is or you are just incorrectly using the term to avoid a stat you don't like / understand.

I'm not saying Dwight is a positive contributor offensively. I'm saying you have done nothing to show that we underperform offensively when he plays, and the stats suggest otherwise.

o-rating doesnt account for his teammates. ORPM does.

[amcoolio]

Dwight has been so good the last two games. Vintage Orlando Dwight. He is getting his without stupid jumpers/turnovers. He also seems dialed in and focused, as evidenced by his post game interviews

He still is getting used in the PnR on defense, but he also has logged a ton of NBA minutes

[yosemiteben]

Lol, cherrypicking again....

There is no better measure of how we perform with him on the floor than looking at the number of points scored per 100 possessions. Either you don't know what cherrypicking is or you are just incorrectly using the term to avoid a stat you don't like / understand.

I'm not saying Dwight is a positive contributor offensively. I'm saying you have done nothing to show that we underperform offensively when he plays, and the stats suggest otherwise.

o-rating doesnt account for his teammates. ORPM does.

Got it backwards bud.

[HoopsMalone]

There is no better measure of how we perform with him on the floor than looking at the number of points scored per 100 possessions. Either you don't know what cherrypicking is or you are just incorrectly using the term to avoid a stat you don't like / understand.

I'm not saying Dwight is a positive contributor offensively. I'm saying you have done nothing to show that we underperform offensively when he plays, and the stats suggest otherwise.

o-rating doesnt account for his teammates. ORPM does.

Got it backwards bud.

Perhaps if i phrased it using the word "control" instead of accont you'd get it

[yosemiteben]

o-rating doesnt account for his teammates. ORPM does.

Got it backwards bud.

Perhaps if i phrased it using the word "control" instead of accont you'd get it

I'll emphasize my point because I don't know if you're not getting it or if you're just trolling. I don't care about Dwight's individual offensive performance (which has been pretty excellent lately btw), I just care about our team ORTG when he plays. Right now that ORTG is very good, so your argument that he's tanking our offense is not accurate.

[HoopsMalone]

Got it backwards bud.

Perhaps if i phrased it using the word "control" instead of accont you'd get it

I'll emphasize my point because I don't know if you're not getting it or if you're just trolling. I don't care about Dwight's individual offensive performance (which has been pretty excellent lately btw), I just care about our team ORTG when he plays. Right now that ORTG is very good, so your argument that he's tanking our offense is not accurate.

He's ranked #431 of #433 total NBA players on offense dude. You're fighting a losing battle here.

He is TANKING our offense.

[Braggins]

Its hard for me to gauge his overall impact on offense at this point because his impact seems so inconsistent. He has games where hes awful and definitely seems to be dragging the offense down substantially, then he'll have games like the last few where he is helpful and puts up monster stat lines.

[yosemiteben]

Perhaps if i phrased it using the word "control" instead of accont you'd get it

I'll emphasize my point because I don't know if you're not getting it or if you're just trolling. I don't care about Dwight's individual offensive performance (which has been pretty excellent lately btw), I just care about our team ORTG when he plays. Right now that ORTG is very good, so your argument that he's tanking our offense is not accurate.

He's ranked #431 of #433 total NBA players on offense dude. You're fighting a losing battle here.

He is TANKING our offense.

Last stat before I ignore you on this topic: http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StarterBench=Starters

The ORTG for our starters is ranked 4th on the season.

[HoopsMalone]

Good, because you aren't adding anything to the discussion. We all know Kemba is a great offensive player. That's what is pissing me off, we are wasting his amazing offensive capabilities right now.

He's ranked FOURTH in the entire league in offense right now yet we can't score...

[HoopsMalone]

Howard is rejuvenated, but his post game isn't helping -- even when it looks good. Post-ups have accounted for 38 percent of Howard's possessions, the highest such figure since his first year in Houston, per Synergy Sports. Only four rotation guys -- LaMarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph, Marc Gasol, and Joel Embiid -- average more post touches per possession, according to Second Spectrum Data. He's not productive enough to justify that volume.

Howard is shooting 48 percent on post-ups, a solid number, but he is bleeding turnovers. He has coughed it on almost 25 percent of his post-ups, the sixth-highest mark among 85 rotation guys who have finished at least 20 such plays, per Synergy. (The five below him: Kelly Olynyk, Draymond Green, Dario Saric, DeAndre Jordan, and Ben Simmons.) He doesn't compensate with inside-out assists.

Put it all together, and Howard post-ups are producing about 0.78 points per possession. You don't divert the offense this often for 0.78 points. You could argue Charlotte has no better option beyond Walker running pick-and-roll, but it's time to build one.

www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21771623/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-chicago-bulls-nba





Gee, who does that sound like...

[catch20two]

I blame the coaching staff. They were supposed to make Dwight buy into the team concept of succeeding if he set screens, rebound, and run the floor he’ll be rewarded with alley oops and rim runs. Clifford still trying to win in 2017 on the same principles that got the Orlando Magic to the 2009 Finals.

We all knew any semblance of Alfense being ran thru Dwight would only revert the team back to a bottom of the league offense going into the season.

[catch20two]

I’d take Alfense over Dwightfense. 3x less turnovers and better free throw shooting.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I’d take Alfense over Dwightfense. 3x less turnovers and better free throw shooting.

Al was a much better passer who turned the ball over a lot less.

[HoopsMalone]

One of the problems is pairing MKG with Dwight. MKG is a slasher but he can't slash when Howard is in the game because Howard is clogging up the paint along with his man. So MKG ends up throwing the entry pass to Dwight. And that is a recipe for disaster because first of all Dwight isn't good in the post. And second of all surrounding any post man with weak shooters like MKG and Batum is just setting them up to fail.

[catch20two]

One of the problems is pairing MKG with Dwight. MKG is a slasher but he can't slash when Howard is in the game because Howard is clogging up the paint along with his man. So MKG ends up throwing the entry pass to Dwight. And that is a recipe for disaster because first of all Dwight isn't good in the post. And second of all surrounding any post man with weak shooters like MKG and Batum is just setting them up to fail.

Nobody can slash when Dwight is in the game because he don’t know how to set a screen. If he’s not slipping the screen altogether then he’s committing a offensive foul on a illegal screen. Last year and the year before that whenever Cody was healthy he was great at setting picks to free Kemba and Batum up and that allowed the offense to get steady traction towards the rim for either a layup or kick out for a open 3.

[catch20two]

We didn’t force feed Dwight as much earlier in the season but now that seems to be our go-to offense.

[316Hornets]

One of the problems is pairing MKG with Dwight. MKG is a slasher but he can't slash when Howard is in the game because Howard is clogging up the paint along with his man. So MKG ends up throwing the entry pass to Dwight. And that is a recipe for disaster because first of all Dwight isn't good in the post. And second of all surrounding any post man with weak shooters like MKG and Batum is just setting them up to fail.

This x1000. Howard is such a detriment to the other players trying to create offense. We've really become so 1 dimensional, it's either throw it into Dwight or run some iso plays and forced shots. Only way this offense works is if Dwight plays like Wilt Chamberlain.

[yosemiteben]

Nothing involving Dwight is a main problem for this team relative to our bench.

[catch20two]

Only way this offense works is if Dwight plays like Wilt Chamberlain.

The only time Alfense worked was when he played like Wilt for a few months. Clifford patted himself on the back into oblivion about that only to completely miss the playoffs running Alfense the following year when he came back down to earth.

[catch20two]

Nothing involving Dwight is a main problem for this team relative to our bench.

True. Mostly MCW and Frank.