Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3
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Warren does need to pass the ball more. Right now his impact on the game is similar to that of Melo except Melo was always a much better 3pt shooter and of course probably less efficient too.
Even the game’s best scorers (Steph, KD, Westbrook, LeBron, Harden etc) all know that they have to pass the ball too in order to become less predictable.
Even the game’s best scorers (Steph, KD, Westbrook, LeBron, Harden etc) all know that they have to pass the ball too in order to become less predictable.
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Warren's usage: 20%
Melo's usage: 31%
Warren is not ballhog or chucker even if his high number of FGA and low number of assists may suggest that. He is finisher. He scores when he has opportunity, otherwise he gives the ball to seomeone else without unnecessary dribbling.
But getting more assists wouldn't hurt of course.
Melo's usage: 31%
Warren is not ballhog or chucker even if his high number of FGA and low number of assists may suggest that. He is finisher. He scores when he has opportunity, otherwise he gives the ball to seomeone else without unnecessary dribbling.
But getting more assists wouldn't hurt of course.
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Everyone knows what Warren is going to do so becoming a passing threat will get him more space for his bread and butter shots.
There was one game highlights where there was an open 3 point shooter almost every time with a kick out pass as defenses just collapse the paint.
We were saying similar about Booker 12 months ago too and now he's looking to pass out when the easier shot is available.
There was one game highlights where there was an open 3 point shooter almost every time with a kick out pass as defenses just collapse the paint.
We were saying similar about Booker 12 months ago too and now he's looking to pass out when the easier shot is available.
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I have felt that more people need to get more shots. In the three games prior to the Bulls game, Warren had a total of 10 assists, so he had really picked it up in that area before only having one in each of the games against the Bulls and Bucks.
It would be nice if he can continue to get more assists. The good thing is he rarely turns it over too. Prior to the last game where he had 3 turnovers (but also had 3 steals), he only had 6 turnovers in the previous 12 games.
It would be nice if he can continue to get more assists. The good thing is he rarely turns it over too. Prior to the last game where he had 3 turnovers (but also had 3 steals), he only had 6 turnovers in the previous 12 games.
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Would Wolves do Chandler, 2rnd pick for Dieng
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If Warren averaged 3 assists and could shoot 3s he would be an all star and we'd be paying him like one. If he was on the Celtics or Wizards or Spurs he'd be considered one of the best young players in the league because he'd be a great third option for a playoff team. As a second option for the Suns, his weaknesses are magnified.
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Warren is the only under 27 SF in the West averaging 18-5.
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alphagorilla wrote:Would Wolves do Chandler, 2rnd pick for Dieng
This is a great idea actually. Dieng is barely getting backup minutes behind KAT, and he is on their books for $14/15/16/17m the next 4 seasons. They can handle Wiggins' extension, but having Dieng on the books in years 3&4 overlap with Towns' extension, and that's a tonne of money for a 10th man.
Chandler is slightly cheaper per season, and comes off the books the season KAT's extension kicks in.
Dieng is a lot of money to take on, but if we're confident he can hold down the starting C spot for next 3 seasons, he'd be a solid addition to hold the fort until our next C (2018 draft) develops.
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So bender has been getting a lot of the crunch time minutes the past few games, Chriss has been sitting. Tonight, Chriss has been replaced as a starter in favour of the twin C lineup, and now Chriss is in for garbage time.
Can't help but think that Chriss won't be back in the starting lineup anytime soon. If this is the case, I hope McD has learnt from previous lessons and plans to trade him sooner rather than later - he has value now which will only depreciate the longer we hold him. Guys who don't play become worthless over time.
Can't help but think that Chriss won't be back in the starting lineup anytime soon. If this is the case, I hope McD has learnt from previous lessons and plans to trade him sooner rather than later - he has value now which will only depreciate the longer we hold him. Guys who don't play become worthless over time.
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nevetsov wrote:alphagorilla wrote:Would Wolves do Chandler, 2rnd pick for Dieng
This is a great idea actually. Dieng is barely getting backup minutes behind KAT, and he is on their books for $14/15/16/17m the next 4 seasons. They can handle Wiggins' extension, but having Dieng on the books in years 3&4 overlap with Towns' extension, and that's a tonne of money for a 10th man.
Chandler is slightly cheaper per season, and comes off the books the season KAT's extension kicks in.
Dieng is a lot of money to take on, but if we're confident he can hold down the starting C spot for next 3 seasons, he'd be a solid addition to hold the fort until our next C (2018 draft) develops.
exactly what I was thinking. We're taking on a contract that wolves cant handle and who knows Dieng could be the player we're looking for in Center. After to night performance our defense cant get any worse.
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alphagorilla wrote:nevetsov wrote:alphagorilla wrote:Would Wolves do Chandler, 2rnd pick for Dieng
This is a great idea actually. Dieng is barely getting backup minutes behind KAT, and he is on their books for $14/15/16/17m the next 4 seasons. They can handle Wiggins' extension, but having Dieng on the books in years 3&4 overlap with Towns' extension, and that's a tonne of money for a 10th man.
Chandler is slightly cheaper per season, and comes off the books the season KAT's extension kicks in.
Dieng is a lot of money to take on, but if we're confident he can hold down the starting C spot for next 3 seasons, he'd be a solid addition to hold the fort until our next C (2018 draft) develops.
exactly what I was thinking. We're taking on a contract that wolves cant handle and who knows Dieng could be the player we're looking for in Center. After to night performance our defense cant get any worse.
It's hard to know what Dieng is. He put up great #s last season at times and I'd be happy with him, but he has that hefty contract and this season isn't doing anything. I know that's because he's not playing much but he's overpaid.
I really do like Dieng, at least what I know about him, but I'm not sure if they would want to take on that big of a contract. Wolves might rather have Monroe as a scoring C off the bench too.
But yeah, things couldn't get much worse. The thing is, even though we don't have a long term fixture at C right now, that's not nearly our biggest problem this season.
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Chriss, Monroe for Whiteside, filler
Get a defensive head coach that slows down the game.
Get a defensive head coach that slows down the game.
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Suns need to entice Paul George to come to Phoenix next season to pair next to Booker.
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Rudy Gobert would be my no.1 target.
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nevetsov wrote:So bender has been getting a lot of the crunch time minutes the past few games, Chriss has been sitting. Tonight, Chriss has been replaced as a starter in favour of the twin C lineup, and now Chriss is in for garbage time.
Can't help but think that Chriss won't be back in the starting lineup anytime soon. If this is the case, I hope McD has learnt from previous lessons and plans to trade him sooner rather than later - he has value now which will only depreciate the longer we hold him. Guys who don't play become worthless over time.
I agree with that.
Look, Jared Dudley understands really well the game and he knows who can really ball. I remember an interview during the summer and he was not positive talking about Chriss.
At that point (it was before Summer League) I was really high regarding Chriss because he played surprisingly good at the end of the season IMO...and those comments caught my attention.
He said something like that he has all the physical tools to be great, but he needs to improve his mentality, it is all about his head and all of that. He did not sound optimistic.
He lacks effort AND basketball IQ. Some players can get away lacking one of these things...but both? No way.
I am all for trading him + picks to get a good PG.
I know that he is 20 and he is gonna play great games here or there, but I do not trust the full package/skillset that he has, and he is not a likeable player IMO.
His value is gonna decrease over the year because it looks like Triano prefers Bender/Jackson over him.
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I think the most realistic trade target has to be Dennis Schroder. Hawks are in full rebuild mode, and aren't particularly sold on Schroder as a franchise piece. They're also in desperate need of future assets.
I think they will definitely consider Monroe, Chriss and the Bucks pick for Schroder at the trade deadline. They get two nice assets in Chriss and the pick, and also go ahead with tanking full steam.
Schroder, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender suddenly looks lot better as a core.
I like Schroder's fit next to Booker. Great length, and plays good defense. Hawks fans also say his spot-up shooting is excellent, so I see him as a much better natural fit next to Booker unlike Bledsoe who didn't shoot well off the ball.
We still have our own pick and the Miami picks to add to that, or trade for an all-star. Schroder, Booker and a third guy could be our three all-star pieces.
I think they will definitely consider Monroe, Chriss and the Bucks pick for Schroder at the trade deadline. They get two nice assets in Chriss and the pick, and also go ahead with tanking full steam.
Schroder, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender suddenly looks lot better as a core.
I like Schroder's fit next to Booker. Great length, and plays good defense. Hawks fans also say his spot-up shooting is excellent, so I see him as a much better natural fit next to Booker unlike Bledsoe who didn't shoot well off the ball.
We still have our own pick and the Miami picks to add to that, or trade for an all-star. Schroder, Booker and a third guy could be our three all-star pieces.
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I'm not high on Chriss either and I like Schroder. I just posted on their board asking if they think he's available for trade or do they consider him a building block in their future. Also asked what the asking price would be without an actual proposal so I could get an idea of what they expect for a return without setting the bar.
Someone on their board posted that their FO hold him in the same regard as we do with Booker.
I was really low on Chriss the first half of last season. I was aware that it was too early to form an opinion but something about him was just hard to ignore and bothered me, mainly the lack of bball IQ and experience (picked up basketball at a very late stage, same as Alex). Then there was his personality, body language and effort. I didn't want to write him off this early and since he had a good second half I thought (hoped) that I was wrong and was willing to see how he can develop. But I had strong doubts and I still do.
Someone on their board posted that their FO hold him in the same regard as we do with Booker.

I was really low on Chriss the first half of last season. I was aware that it was too early to form an opinion but something about him was just hard to ignore and bothered me, mainly the lack of bball IQ and experience (picked up basketball at a very late stage, same as Alex). Then there was his personality, body language and effort. I didn't want to write him off this early and since he had a good second half I thought (hoped) that I was wrong and was willing to see how he can develop. But I had strong doubts and I still do.
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bwgood77 wrote:darealjuice wrote:ginobiliflops wrote:Two things need to happen around Dec 15.
Trade for a PG: Mudiay, Payton, Murray, Hill. Idc. Somebody capable of leading this team.
Commit to the Moose. Trade Len and run offense through him with new PG from time to time.
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I could potential see the PG thing happening, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we rode out this year and took care of it in the offseason once our coach is figured out. It's a bit tough with there not being a ton of good young PGs in the league right now, and I doubt any team is itching to trade them either.
Committing to Moose likely ain't happening though. All the reports since he's been here have said that he is looking for a trade/buy-out and he won't stay here past this year. Could be some smoke, things could change, but I think he wants to be on a playoff team. Len probably doesn't get trade either unless he's a throw-in for a PG trade. Teams don't have a reason to give up an asset for a guy that doesn't make a big immediate impact and won't have a big FA market in the Summer.
Yeah, a lot of people want to keep Moose but if he wants a trade/buyout and won't stay (not 100% this is the case but it's been reported more than once) why would you keep him....IF that's the case? It would ultimately just be another guy who's unhappy to be here (if he doesn't want to be). He seems like a good guy that wouldn't complain but I wouldn't force him to stay if he wants out.
Yeah, I don't know about the PG situation. I'd love to get one and hate our predicament but you make a good point if we get a new coach who wants a certain type of PG, then should we just trade for a random one now? Maybe a cheap vet option. I wouldn't have minded a smart vet like Jameer Nelson when he was available. It's amazing such a position of strength a couple years ago is this bad.
I don't think Denver will trade Mudiay now that Nelson is gone and Murray is inconsistent and mostly playing poorly. Mudiay has played decent at times, so they hope at least one can play well any given night.
You probably would have to find a team with 3 pgs and be ok with their third stringer, or second stringer if he's overpaid.
Spot on, Dareal and BW. Good points. If this 'period' is McD/Sarver's idea of Triano's tryout period...AND if they recognize he's coaching with one arm tied behind his back, so to speak, in the fact that they realize he doesn't have a starter-worthy PG on the roster...AND they decide to wait to make a final decision on the HC job this Summer, it would make zero sense to bring in a PG, since the new HC may not want to run an offense with that particular PG's collection of skill-sets.
And regarding your point on Monroe, BW, we couldn't really 'force' him to stay after this year anyway. I hope he chooses to stay, however, and realizes we have some nice young talent that he could help lead to the next level. I think a lot may have to do with what draft pick we end up getting. If we end up with a top 3 pick, the writing is on the wall that we will select Ayton or Bamba, and get whichever one involved early and often. But if our earliest pick, via us or Mia, is, say, 7th or later, and he's enjoyed his time here, he may gamble on staying with us, knowing that whoever else we bring in will likely need time and mentoring, thus Monroe may decide to sign something like a 3-year deal, with the 3rd yr being a player option, or something.
This is complete and utter speculation, but one possible scenario I could see playing out, and honestly, one that I'd like to see.
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I m lukewarm on Schroder. Not a clear cut leader, might not even be a legit 2nd guy on a contender, might have character issues for all we know, not a very good passer, nor an excellent shooter.Good young player, nothing more, nothing less. Might have 1-2 all star appearances, but that's it. Furthermore if we would get him during the season it would make us a little better - pushing us to around 7th-8th spot in the lottery. All in all, I wouldn't mind him on the cheap, but I'm not estatic about the idea.
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Schroder is worse than Knight on O-Rating.