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Re: Welcome JJ Redick. One year 23 million 

Post#201 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:57 am

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marcush wrote:Id obviously prefer JJ & Amir's cap space be spent on a true max player but assuming we do not attract these guys yet, perfectly happy with JJ again on a big money, one year deal. Just don't want to be in the situation with long term money, even if its 10m, being allocated to a guy in his mid 30's.

If we can keep cap flexible, while helping Simmons & Embiid development, then that's fine with me.


I could see us signing a Lebron or PG, and Redick returning for the minimum. I think he wants to win.

If we signed an Avery Bradley or KCP with his money, I think he would be insulted and leave.

If we renounced him to spend our remaining cap space on a max player, would we be able to offer any sort of exception?

You can give him the room exception. Which is $4 million.

Which is kind of a discount, but could set up the following:

The lesser form of the Larry Bird exception is the "early Bird" exception. Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "early qualifying veteran free agents", and qualify after playing two seasons with the same team. Players that are traded or claimed off waivers have their Bird rights transferred to their new team. Prior to an arbitrator ruling in June 2012, all players that were waived and changed teams lost their Bird rights. Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA's average salary, whichever is greater. Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons, but can last no longer than four seasons. If a team agrees to a trade that would make a player lose his Early Bird Rights, he has the power to veto the trade.


So you give him that, with the understanding that you give him like a 2-4 year deal starting at the midlevel ($8 million) the following year.

His podcast after he signed indicated that there was some sort of long term plan in place. My guess is that it is something along these lines.



I did the math in the other thread but if we sign PG instead of Lebron we should have 6 million (assuming DA and Bayless are gone) and you can bump that up to around 7 million by dumping Holmes.

I don't think he'll get a 4 year offer from another team. After all the main reason he signed the one year deal was because there just wasn't much in the way of multi year offers. We could sign him to a 4 year 28 million deal. With the idea that he probably at best gets two year offers and next year there isn't much in the way of cap space.

If PG comes he might take it. If Lebron comes he'll take the max. So yeah no possibility of JJ or anyone else other then the mini exception. The thing is though with George you could conceivably sign JJ or some other 6-7 million player AND use the mini exception.

It's part of the reason besides fit and age I really hope the opportunity presents itself to sign George.
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Re: Welcome JJ Redick. One year 23 million 

Post#202 » by dorkestra » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:38 am

I like Redick and he's been great so far but I prefer making an offer to Avery Bradley. Love his defense, intangibles, and energy. Wouldn't be devastated if we stick with JJ instead. In fact I expect that.
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Post#203 » by LloydFree » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:19 pm

I'm not interested in bringing Redick back at anywhere near the number he's getting. You should be able to find a 3pt specialist for less than that, even on a one year deal. The team will be a year older, therefore no need to pay for veteran presence.

I'd rather have Avery Bradley than JJ Redic, but I'm hesitant to use all of the CAP space we've been saving on him. That cap space is really the last great asset we have towards making the team Championship caliber. I don't think Avery Bradley does that
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Post#204 » by sixers hoops » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:59 pm

LloydFree wrote:I'm not interested in bringing Redick back at anywhere near the number he's getting. You should be able to find a 3pt specialist for less than that, even on a one year deal. The team will be a year older, therefore no need to pay for veteran presence.

I'd rather have Avery Bradley than JJ Redic, but I'm hesitant to use all of the CAP space we've been saving on him. That cap space is really the last great asset we have towards making the team Championship caliber. I don't think Avery Bradley does that


Yeah, ideally we want to add an all-nba type of player to the mix.

Embiid and Simmons have the chance to be great, but we want as much firepower as possible.

Lebron is an outside chance.

Not sure we’ll even get a meeting with PG, but it would make a lot of sense for him, so let’s try.

Durant is not going anywhere.

After those guys, I’d give Redick another deal and try again the following summer.
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Post#205 » by LloydFree » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:06 pm

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LloydFree wrote:I'm not interested in bringing Redick back at anywhere near the number he's getting. You should be able to find a 3pt specialist for less than that, even on a one year deal. The team will be a year older, therefore no need to pay for veteran presence.

I'd rather have Avery Bradley than JJ Redic, but I'm hesitant to use all of the CAP space we've been saving on him. That cap space is really the last great asset we have towards making the team Championship caliber. I don't think Avery Bradley does that


Yeah, ideally we want to add an all-nba type of player to the mix.

Embiid and Simmons have the chance to be great, but we want as much firepower as possible.

Lebron is an outside chance.

Not sure we’ll even get a meeting with PG, but it would make a lot of sense for him, so let’s try.

Durant is not going anywhere.

After those guys, I’d give Redick another deal and try again the following summer.

Really, I think the Pistons will re- sign Bradley for close to the Max anyway, if they make the playoffs this year. I'm not so sure that option is anywhere certain to be there in the off-season.

If not Paul George, or an Aaron Gordon, I'd roll that money over.
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Post#206 » by 76ciology » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:02 pm

Don't focus much on JJ's makes and misses.

He's off gravity game benefits a lot for Ben Simmons. What usually happens is Ben's man would gravitate toward JJ off screen play. which will open the lane for Ben to drive to the rim.

JJ's two man game with Biid has been money in crunch time.

He also has been very good off screen at 1.10 points per possession.

Defensively he's doing a good job reading defense and playing positional defense.
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Post#207 » by Winejk » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:57 pm

If Redick is willing to take a much lesser contract than the one he has now, maybe bring him back, but we've got to give minutes to Fultz...and maybe Korkmaz.
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Post#208 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:00 pm

Redick has the bargaining power because none of our G prospects are on the court proving their worth.

Korkmaz is an intern. Fultz hasn't been out there. Luwawu looks like a F with no ball skills.

Unless we land a top SG with our draft selection, I think it's probable that we re-sign J.J. It better be another 1 year deal, though.
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Post#209 » by LloydFree » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:47 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Redick has the bargaining power because none of our G prospects are on the court proving their worth.

Korkmaz is an intern. Fultz hasn't been out there. Luwawu looks like a F with no ball skills.

Unless we land a top SG with our draft selection, I think it's probable that we re-sign J.J. It better be another 1 year deal, though.

Then takeaway his bargaining power by trading Okafor and a 2nd for Marco Bellinelli. Redick has no Bird rights. Bellinelli has an expiring with Bird rights.
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Post#210 » by Arsenal » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:09 pm

dorkestra wrote:I like Redick and he's been great so far but I prefer making an offer to Avery Bradley. Love his defense, intangibles, and energy. Wouldn't be devastated if we stick with JJ instead. In fact I expect that.


Avery Bradley might be the most overrated player in the league. I see countless Sixer fans willing to throw $18-20M/yr or even a max contract at this guy who has proven to be mediocre at best according to every advanced metric there is.

People love his ability to play man defense, but don't realize that man defense is possibly the LEAST important aspect of modern defense. Hence the below average advanced defensive metrics.

It's no surprise to me that the Celtics defense is actually better this year now that he is gone. It was better in previous years when he didn't play.

If BC wastes a large contract on Avery Bradley, then he is who we thought he is.
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Post#211 » by Arsenal » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:12 pm

76ciology wrote:Don't focus much on JJ's makes and misses.

He's off gravity game benefits a lot for Ben Simmons. What usually happens is Ben's man would gravitate toward JJ off screen play. which will open the lane for Ben to drive to the rim.

JJ's two man game with Biid has been money in crunch time.

He also has been very good off screen at 1.10 points per possession.

Defensively he's doing a good job reading defense and playing positional defense.


100% agreed. Redick is good enough to create gravity for our offense even when he's misfiring. So does Lord Covington. Now we just need 1 more guy who can do the same (hopefully Fultz becomes that guy and/or Saric by improving his shooting), and this offense will be unstoppable with massive gaping lanes for Simmons to exploit.
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Post#212 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:17 pm

LloydFree wrote:Then takeaway his bargaining power by trading Okafor and a 2nd for Marco Bellinelli. Redick has no Bird rights. Bellinelli has an expiring with Bird rights.

I love that trade. I've been a proponent of the Bayless and a 2nd for Marco.
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Post#213 » by LloydFree » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:37 pm

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LloydFree wrote:Then takeaway his bargaining power by trading Okafor and a 2nd for Marco Bellinelli. Redick has no Bird rights. Bellinelli has an expiring with Bird rights.

I love that trade. I've been a proponent of the Bayless and a 2nd for Marco.

Yeah Bayless and a 2nd would be the optimal solution, but Bayless' additional year, at more money, probably makes that a no go for Atlanta. I think you gotta offer something significant to move Bayless' 9 million.
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Post#214 » by Sixerscan » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:40 pm

I'm pretty sure that we're going to have to use a first to dump Bayless if we wait until the summer when like 4 teams have cap room.
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Post#215 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:37 am

Sixerscan wrote:I'm pretty sure that we're going to have to use a first to dump Bayless if we wait until the summer when like 4 teams have cap room.


If we need to do that to sign George or Lebron then it will be worth it. If we can’t get someone like that then it wouldn’t be.


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Post#216 » by shlo » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:49 am

Sixerscan wrote:I'm pretty sure that we're going to have to use a first to dump Bayless if we wait until the summer when like 4 teams have cap room.


If the Sixers have to trade a first to shed Balyess' contract, that is a major indictment on Colangelo signing him in the first place.
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Post#217 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:44 am

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Sixerscan wrote:I'm pretty sure that we're going to have to use a first to dump Bayless if we wait until the summer when like 4 teams have cap room.


If the Sixers have to trade a first to shed Balyess' contract, that is a major indictment on Colangelo signing him in the first place.


Again, not if it is done in conjunction with signing a legit third star with the space.


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Post#218 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:46 am

I'll try to get clips. But before that, I'll add that I TJ is getting good looks at mid range because of JJ's gravity.

Our transition offense is also much better with JJ's threat to pull up from 3 or space out for layups in transition.

If you want to see how important gravity is in today's game, watch JJ.
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Post#219 » by Sixerscan » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:47 am

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Sixerscan wrote:I'm pretty sure that we're going to have to use a first to dump Bayless if we wait until the summer when like 4 teams have cap room.


If the Sixers have to trade a first to shed Balyess' contract, that is a major indictment on Colangelo signing him in the first place.


Again, not if it is done in conjunction with signing a legit third star with the space.


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Yeah I won't complain under that scenario. More just mentally preparing myself for it to happen.
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Post#220 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:09 pm

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If the Sixers have to trade a first to shed Balyess' contract, that is a major indictment on Colangelo signing him in the first place.


Again, not if it is done in conjunction with signing a legit third star with the space.


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Yeah I won't complain under that scenario. More just mentally preparing myself for it to happen.


All things considered, I think that Bayless was a good signing. It would be better if it was only a two year deal, but it is what it is.

If we need to bribe someone to take him off our hands then we could do it. Hinkie would have taken 2 second rounders for him most likely in his last year. Some other GM probably will too.

If it has to be a lottery protected first though then so be it, if getting rid of him enables us to sign a third star. I’m not saying that we should pull a Vlade and trade picks for space without using the space on a good player. If we can’t get someone worthy then we should just keep our powered dry until the following summer.


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