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Do you think Aaron Gordon will emerge as a breakout star this year?

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Do you think Aaron Gordon will emerge as a breakout star this year?

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Post#361 » by Mc-o » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:57 pm

Skin wrote:I think Evan's comments broke him. AG is all about being a team player. He doesn't want the appearance that he's putting himself above the team. We haven't seen the same player ever since.

U are making a bunch of assumptions based on one comment made weeks ago. lol Evans comments did not break him lol have u seen Ag interviews ? He is a very confident person , Ag scored 41 against Brooklyn But a lot of players go off on Brooklyn including vuc. Aaron is still playing decent just not hitting his 3 s at 60% anymore, imo the problem with this team is more on defense and team chemistry and it's hard to know who is at fault without actually being on the team . This team has talent and could be really good but they have to be willing to play selflessly but until this point they haven't been able to do it for more than two weeks lol
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Post#362 » by fendilim » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:30 am

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Post#363 » by JF5 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:41 am

At least they can potentially resign him to a bargain deal...
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Post#364 » by PrimeThyme » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:15 am

He's averaging 17.6 points, 9 rpg, 41% from 3, 50% overall, with a 20.1 Per. Im not sure why people are all of the sudden coming in here tonight like something happened. He's still averaging 15 and 9 over this 8 game losing streak and back to averaging 17 ppg over these last 3 games. Shot 50 % from 3 tonight. He's starting to break out of the slump. He was just falling way to in love with his 3 but has started to get back to his strengths and not shooting as many as of late.
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Post#365 » by MagicMadness » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:45 pm

The guy is having a fairly strong year - for him. I'm done trying to predict anything with these players.
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Post#366 » by Bensational » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:03 pm

I don't know how some people can't say that they don't want AG to fail. Because they only seem to show up and comment on him when he's struggling.
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Post#367 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:37 pm

Skin wrote:I think Evan's comments broke him. AG is all about being a team player. He doesn't want the appearance that he's putting himself above the team. We haven't seen the same player ever since.

Then he's a snowflake that lacks mental toughness and he should be traded.


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Post#368 » by verysalt » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:25 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:Aaron Gordon will be a 2017-2018 East NBA All-Star. Remember this post.



Absolutely. :nod: :nod: :nod:

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Post#369 » by JF5 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:39 pm

Bensational wrote:I don't know how some people can't say that they don't want AG to fail. Because they only seem to show up and comment on him when he's struggling.


I find it odd that you would post something like this... This topic was brought back up when he came off a hot start and then posters were saying he was all-star caliber at that point. Though this isn't directed at me, I myself came in and personally said that I was happy with the start (more directly his shooting/free throws) but stated it wan't sustainable (given nobody makes that sort of incredible jump of being a consistent shooter within a year from being an in-capable shooter) and he hadn't added any other significant skillset to his game.

Now those same posters from the start are nowhere to be seen during this stretch.

Now he's playing closer to what was more realistic for him (though I do agree his shooting is better than what it is now during the losing streak). Now all of a sudden you're saying people want him to fail because now he's not playing at an outrageous level that he was playing at during the beginning of the season and people are pointing that out.

For a guy who called me a Vucevic fanboy a ways back for saying he was the most versatile/best offensive option this team has (which is unfortunate as he is a 3rd/4th/5th option role player on a winning team). You seem hell bent at defending Gordon from any sort of criticism by all cost. Blaming other players for his shortcomings (on a crappy team with no credible first option), and calling any fan who doesn't see him as a potential star player "people who want to see him fail". Your Gordon bias is off the charts.
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Post#370 » by Bensational » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:02 am

JF5 wrote:
Bensational wrote:I don't know how some people can't say that they don't want AG to fail. Because they only seem to show up and comment on him when he's struggling.


I find it odd that you would post something like this... This topic was brought back up when he came off a hot start and then posters were saying he was all-star caliber at that point. Though this isn't directed at me, I myself came in and personally said that I was happy with the start (more directly his shooting/free throws) but stated it wan't sustainable (given nobody makes that sort of incredible jump of being a consistent shooter within a year from being an in-capable shooter) and he hadn't added any other significant skillset to his game.

Now those same posters from the start are nowhere to be seen during this stretch.

Now he's playing closer to what was more realistic for him (though I do agree his shooting is better than what it is now during the losing streak). Now all of a sudden you're saying people want him to fail because now he's not playing at an outrageous level that he was playing at during the beginning of the season and people are pointing that out.

For a guy who called me a Vucevic fanboy a ways back for saying he was the most versatile/best offensive option this team has (which is unfortunate as he is a 3rd/4th/5th option role player on a winning team). You seem hell bent at defending Gordon from any sort of criticism by all cost. Blaming other players for his shortcomings (on a crappy team with no credible first option), and calling any fan who doesn't see him as a potential star player "people who want to see him fail". Your Gordon bias is off the charts.


There’s a difference between criticism and critiquing. I’m down for critiques of any player, because they’re rational and they weigh up the pros and cons. Criticism is purely focusing on flaws.

I don’t think anyone said he could sustain a 60% 3pt percentage. Everyone knew that would come down. For it to come down, he has to miss shots. The difference is that some people seem to relish in seeing him miss shots, and my guess it’s purely for “I told you so” bragging rights.

I’m clearly not a Vuc fan, but I will always praise him when he’s playing well - as I did at the start of the season. But there are some here who are incapable of doing that when it comes to Gordon. Why wouldn’t we want to celebrate players performing well?

Also, for years Vuc fanboys have been shifting blame whenever others pointed out his shortcomings, blaming those on the rest of the team. But that privilege is off limits to Gordon? Gordon fails on his own, but Vuc is a soft defender because of the rest of the team. That just doesn’t fly for me.

There’s plenty of room for Gordon to improve. He’s not a finished player, at all. But too many people are too impatient to wait for him to actually develop. So rather than critiquing him and acknowledging strengths along with room to improve, they go straight to thinly veiled pot shots at him.

So yeah, sitting quietly during Gordon’s hot streak and surfacing only once he’s slumped to say “Sooo....” or “at least we can get him for a bargain deal” falls squarely in that category of people who just want to see Gordon fail so they can say they were right all along, for me.
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Post#371 » by Skin » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:38 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Skin wrote:I think Evan's comments broke him. AG is all about being a team player. He doesn't want the appearance that he's putting himself above the team. We haven't seen the same player ever since.

Then he's a snowflake that lacks mental toughness and he should be traded.


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Post#372 » by J_Magic » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:17 am

If he doesn't pick up his game, we won't be maxing him out.
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Post#373 » by Mr Magic Fan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:19 am

Lol at these calls. Excellent defense by AG.

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Post#374 » by Rainwater » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:38 am

J_Magic wrote:If he doesn't pick up his game, we won't be maxing him out.


He was never getting max money. He is a solid player putting up decent numbers but he still hasn't made that leap yet. Just doesn't have the X factor. Even as the magic lose he only has been OK but nothing to warrant a max contract.
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Post#375 » by thelead » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:05 am

Rainwater wrote:
J_Magic wrote:If he doesn't pick up his game, we won't be maxing him out.


He was never getting max money. He is a solid player putting up decent numbers but he still hasn't made that leap yet. Just doesn't have the X factor. Even as the magic lose he only has been OK but nothing to warrant a max contract.

He’s getting a max contract or close to it. You can take that to the bank.
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Post#376 » by Rainwater » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:37 am

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J_Magic wrote:If he doesn't pick up his game, we won't be maxing him out.


He was never getting max money. He is a solid player putting up decent numbers but he still hasn't made that leap yet. Just doesn't have the X factor. Even as the magic lose he only has been OK but nothing to warrant a max contract.

He’s getting a max contract or close to it. You can take that to the bank.


That is fine, we will see. I predict 10 to 16 per year and that would be fair. I just don't get how maxing out Aaron Gordon is good idea. He has an impact closer to a Robert Convington or Garry Harris (if that) then a Joel Embiid yet some think that deserves max. As we can see he doesn't help you win games nor will he help you lose a games. For a team that literately lacks talent he only has been OK. He is not bad nor great but just solid. If he had Scoring potential like Michael Redd i could understand or Rebounding numbers like Ben Wallace, would be like sure. Injuries aside, what is that he does that puts him on the level of an Embiid or Wiggns to earn him max money???
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Post#377 » by thelead » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:39 am

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thelead wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
He was never getting max money. He is a solid player putting up decent numbers but he still hasn't made that leap yet. Just doesn't have the X factor. Even as the magic lose he only has been OK but nothing to warrant a max contract.

He’s getting a max contract or close to it. You can take that to the bank.


That is fine, we will see. I predict 10 to 16 per year and that would be fair. I just don't get how maxing out Aaron Gordon is good idea. He has an impact closer to a Robert Convington or Garry Harris (if that) then a Joel Embiid yet some think that deserves max. As we can see he doesn't help you win games nor will he help you lose a games. For a team that literately lacks talent he only has been OK. He is not bad nor great but just solid. If he had Scoring potential like Michael Redd i could understand or Rebounding numbers like Ben Wallace, would be like sure. Injuries aside, what is that he does that puts him on the level of an Embiid or Wiggns to earn him max money???


What do you think about Dipo now that he is no longer tied to Payton, Evan and Vuc? Can he ‘not win you games’ like he did tonight and has all season?
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Post#378 » by Rainwater » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:48 am

thelead wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
thelead wrote:He’s getting a max contract or close to it. You can take that to the bank.


That is fine, we will see. I predict 10 to 16 per year and that would be fair. I just don't get how maxing out Aaron Gordon is good idea. He has an impact closer to a Robert Convington or Garry Harris (if that) then a Joel Embiid yet some think that deserves max. As we can see he doesn't help you win games nor will he help you lose a games. For a team that literately lacks talent he only has been OK. He is not bad nor great but just solid. If he had Scoring potential like Michael Redd i could understand or Rebounding numbers like Ben Wallace, would be like sure. Injuries aside, what is that he does that puts him on the level of an Embiid or Wiggns to earn him max money???


What do you think about Dipo now that he is no longer tied to Payton, Evan and Vuc? Can he ‘not win you games’ like he did tonight and has all season?


If you look at my prior post I don't think highly of Victor either. Could not make it on the Magic. Could not make it on the Thunder. Suddenly makes it on a over-achieving Pacers team that lacks talent and scores big numbers, suddenly he is a star. I'm not too shocked. I personally think its a fluke, but if he can keep for more then 2 seasons I might change my opinion and admit i am wrong. Signing AG to a max Contract is like TJ Warren to a max contract. Two guys playing Ok but not really helping their teams win.
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Post#379 » by thelead » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:54 am

Rainwater wrote:
thelead wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
That is fine, we will see. I predict 10 to 16 per year and that would be fair. I just don't get how maxing out Aaron Gordon is good idea. He has an impact closer to a Robert Convington or Garry Harris (if that) then a Joel Embiid yet some think that deserves max. As we can see he doesn't help you win games nor will he help you lose a games. For a team that literately lacks talent he only has been OK. He is not bad nor great but just solid. If he had Scoring potential like Michael Redd i could understand or Rebounding numbers like Ben Wallace, would be like sure. Injuries aside, what is that he does that puts him on the level of an Embiid or Wiggns to earn him max money???


What do you think about Dipo now that he is no longer tied to Payton, Evan and Vuc? Can he ‘not win you games’ like he did tonight and has all season?


If you look at my prior post I don't think highly of Victor either. Could not make it on the Magic. Could not make it on the Thunder. Suddenly makes it on a over-achieving Pacers team that lacks talent and scores big numbers, I'm not too shocked. I personally think its a fluke, but if he can keep for more then 2 seasons I might change my opinion and admit i am wrong. Signing AG to a max Contract is like TJ Warren to a max contract. Two guys playing Ok but not really helping their teams win.


Young players don’t usually win games... especially when they’re not allowed to. There’s no doubt that AG isn’t a finished product but he’s more talented then anyone on the team (minus maybe Isaac).
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Post#380 » by VFX » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:06 am

Rainwater wrote:
thelead wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
That is fine, we will see. I predict 10 to 16 per year and that would be fair. I just don't get how maxing out Aaron Gordon is good idea. He has an impact closer to a Robert Convington or Garry Harris (if that) then a Joel Embiid yet some think that deserves max. As we can see he doesn't help you win games nor will he help you lose a games. For a team that literately lacks talent he only has been OK. He is not bad nor great but just solid. If he had Scoring potential like Michael Redd i could understand or Rebounding numbers like Ben Wallace, would be like sure. Injuries aside, what is that he does that puts him on the level of an Embiid or Wiggns to earn him max money???


What do you think about Dipo now that he is no longer tied to Payton, Evan and Vuc? Can he ‘not win you games’ like he did tonight and has all season?


Signing AG to a max Contract is like TJ Warren to a max contract. Two guys playing Ok but not really helping their teams win.


Exactly. He’s playing OK, but he’s inconsistent and isn’t willing us to win. He will make max (most likely) because it’s the nature of the league.

It doesn’t make it a good decision for us though to place bets on him just because he is young and has had a string of great performances.

In a vacuum it doesn’t make sense to max him when compared to the other caliber of maxed level players around the league that actually put up numbers consistently.

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