Potential sleepers

[The-Power]

Kilian Tillie can do a bit more than he's showing at Gonzaga. He could rise during draft workouts. Ultimately, I think he's a big off the bench at the next level, but he could be a decent rotation player.

I did like what I've seen of him thus far as well. Tillie and Hachimura are the two guys to keep an eye on at Gonzaga, along with perhaps Jacob Larsen (haven't seen nearly enough of him yet, though). Certainly no high-end prospects but both could climb the rankings a bit down the road.

[doordoor123]

Kilian Tillie can do a bit more than he's showing at Gonzaga. He could rise during draft workouts. Ultimately, I think he's a big off the bench at the next level, but he could be a decent rotation player.

I did like what I've seen of him thus far as well. Tillie and Hachimura are the two guys to keep an eye on at Gonzaga, along with perhaps Jacob Larsen (haven't seen nearly enough of him yet, though). Certainly no high-end prospects but both could climb the rankings a bit down the road.

Tillie is the third best PF prospect behind Bagley and Preston (counting Bridges as an SF)

[The-Power]

Kilian Tillie can do a bit more than he's showing at Gonzaga. He could rise during draft workouts. Ultimately, I think he's a big off the bench at the next level, but he could be a decent rotation player.

I did like what I've seen of him thus far as well. Tillie and Hachimura are the two guys to keep an eye on at Gonzaga, along with perhaps Jacob Larsen (haven't seen nearly enough of him yet, though). Certainly no high-end prospects but both could climb the rankings a bit down the road.

Tillie is the third best PF prospect behind Bagley and Preston (counting Bridges as an SF)

And counting Ayton, Carter, Jackson (and Williams) as Cs as well as Porter and Knox as SFs, I assume? I believe some of them will end up being 4's primarily. Also not so sure how to rank Preston, I wasn't overly excited about him in HS.

[doordoor123]

I did like what I've seen of him thus far as well. Tillie and Hachimura are the two guys to keep an eye on at Gonzaga, along with perhaps Jacob Larsen (haven't seen nearly enough of him yet, though). Certainly no high-end prospects but both could climb the rankings a bit down the road.

Tillie is the third best PF prospect behind Bagley and Preston (counting Bridges as an SF)

And counting Ayton, Carter, Jackson (and Williams) as Cs as well as Porter and Knox as SFs, I assume? I believe some of them will end up being 4's primarily. Also not so sure how to rank Preston, I wasn't overly excited about him in HS.

Exactly. I can’t see any of those guys being better at PF than their respective positions. I’m sure a couple will spend minutes there, but hard to see any of them getting too many minutes there unless it’s in a small-ball line-up, which is usually reserved for back-ups. Jayson Tatum has been playing PF, but I still see him as an SF, because that’s where he’s best suited.

I’m pretty high on what I’ve seen of Preston so far... but not playing in basketball right now hurts him. He has gifts not a lot of players have at his size and he’s still young. He’s up there for me.

[Ruzious]

Tillie is the third best PF prospect behind Bagley and Preston (counting Bridges as an SF)

And counting Ayton, Carter, Jackson (and Williams) as Cs as well as Porter and Knox as SFs, I assume? I believe some of them will end up being 4's primarily. Also not so sure how to rank Preston, I wasn't overly excited about him in HS.

Exactly. I can’t see any of those guys being better at PF than their respective positions. I’m sure a couple will spend minutes there, but hard to see any of them getting too many minutes there unless it’s in a small-ball line-up, which is usually reserved for back-ups. Jayson Tatum has been playing PF, but I still see him as an SF, because that’s where he’s best suited.

I’m pretty high on what I’ve seen of Preston so far... but not playing in basketball right now hurts him. He has gifts not a lot of players have at his size and he’s still young. He’s up there for me.

Yeah, from what I've seen in Preston's highlights, he's an extraordinary talent and entertaining as hell, but... he's already 20 years old and hasn't played a game in college, and... he's got a rep as a ball-stopper and a low percentage shooter. He's got a lot to prove - that he's a winner and not just an entertainer - but he has elite talent and skills.

[The-Power]

Yeah, from what I've seen in Preston's highlights, he's an extraordinary talent and entertaining as hell

That's the vibes I got from Preston, though. He badly wants to be like LeBron and tries to emulate what he does which leads to some nice highlight plays. But highlights are highlights and whenever I actually watched him play, he just looks much, much less impressive and you get the vibe of a player who has some nice ball skills in a good body but doesn't know what he actually should be to make his presence felt – and you also realize that his skills aren't nearly as impressive as some highlight clips might suggest. Maybe they can get it out of him after a couple years in college but until then I remain skeptical.

[doordoor123]

Yeah, from what I've seen in Preston's highlights, he's an extraordinary talent and entertaining as hell

That's the vibes I got from Preston, though. He badly wants to be like LeBron and tries to emulate what he does which leads to some nice highlight plays. But highlights are highlights and whenever I actually watched him play, he just looks much, much less impressive and you get the vibe of a player who has some nice ball skills in a good body but doesn't know what he actually should be to make his presence felt – and you also realize that his skills aren't nearly as impressive as some highlight clips might suggest. Maybe they can get it out of him after a couple years in college but until then I remain skeptical.

I get that, but I for him it’s all about upside IMO. Sometimes history doesn’t make the player, ability does. For me it’s more important that a young player shows flashes rather than numbers.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, from what I've seen in Preston's highlights, he's an extraordinary talent and entertaining as hell

That's the vibes I got from Preston, though. He badly wants to be like LeBron and tries to emulate what he does which leads to some nice highlight plays. But highlights are highlights and whenever I actually watched him play, he just looks much, much less impressive and you get the vibe of a player who has some nice ball skills in a good body but doesn't know what he actually should be to make his presence felt – and you also realize that his skills aren't nearly as impressive as some highlight clips might suggest. Maybe they can get it out of him after a couple years in college but until then I remain skeptical.

I get that, but I for him it’s all about upside IMO. Sometimes history doesn’t make the player, ability does. For me it’s more important that a young player shows flashes rather than numbers.

What's some good examples of players that didn't produce good numbers and then went on to be quality NBA players?

[doordoor123]

That's the vibes I got from Preston, though. He badly wants to be like LeBron and tries to emulate what he does which leads to some nice highlight plays. But highlights are highlights and whenever I actually watched him play, he just looks much, much less impressive and you get the vibe of a player who has some nice ball skills in a good body but doesn't know what he actually should be to make his presence felt – and you also realize that his skills aren't nearly as impressive as some highlight clips might suggest. Maybe they can get it out of him after a couple years in college but until then I remain skeptical.

I get that, but I for him it’s all about upside IMO. Sometimes history doesn’t make the player, ability does. For me it’s more important that a young player shows flashes rather than numbers.

What's some good examples of players that didn't produce good numbers and then went on to be quality NBA players?

Recently? Off the top of my head. Zach LaVine, Myles Turner, Skal Labissiere. Granted they did some things well.

[Ruzious]

I get that, but I for him it’s all about upside IMO. Sometimes history doesn’t make the player, ability does. For me it’s more important that a young player shows flashes rather than numbers.

What's some good examples of players that didn't produce good numbers and then went on to be quality NBA players?

Recently? Off the top of my head. Zach LaVine, Myles Turner, Skal Labissiere. Granted they did some things well.

Really? Turner had outstanding stats from day 1 as a freshman. In fact, people here were doubting he was as good as his stats because he runs funny. And Lavine caught people's attention very early in his frosh season with great stats - though he tailed off. Skal could be a good example... if he improves a lot.

[doordoor123]

What's some good examples of players that didn't produce good numbers and then went on to be quality NBA players?

Recently? Off the top of my head. Zach LaVine, Myles Turner, Skal Labissiere. Granted they did some things well.

Really? Turner had outstanding stats from day 1 as a freshman. In fact, people here were doubting he was as good as his stats because he runs funny. And Lavine caught people's attention very early in his frosh season with great stats - though he tailed off. Skal could be a good example... if he improves a lot.

In terms of Myles Turner, he was very up and down. Had low FG% a lot of games and had high for some. He also had low passing numbers, up and down rebounding (a lot of games he only had 1 or 2nd and low steal numbers. His stats didn’t say first round pick at all. LaVine also had bad stats with the exception of a few big games. The only thing great about his stats was his occasional hot hand from 3. LaVine was all flash and so was Turner.

[anthony00]

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[Ruzious]

Recently? Off the top of my head. Zach LaVine, Myles Turner, Skal Labissiere. Granted they did some things well.

Really? Turner had outstanding stats from day 1 as a freshman. In fact, people here were doubting he was as good as his stats because he runs funny. And Lavine caught people's attention very early in his frosh season with great stats - though he tailed off. Skal could be a good example... if he improves a lot.

In terms of Myles Turner, he was very up and down. Had low FG% a lot of games and had high for some. He also had low passing numbers, up and down rebounding (a lot of games he only had 1 or 2nd and low steal numbers. His stats didn’t say first round pick at all. LaVine also had bad stats with the exception of a few big games. The only thing great about his stats was his occasional hot hand from 3. LaVine was all flash and so was Turner.

That's just not true. I started following them right from the beginning of the season, because they had great stats to start the season. True that Lavine fell off after his great start, but Turner's stats were great all season. Sure, he might have had a couple of bad games, but his season stats were very impressive his entire frosh season - clearly showed he was lotto bound. The only folks who didn't think he was lotto worthy were those who questioned his running. The stats were always there.

[Ruzious]

Kilian Tillie can do a bit more than he's showing at Gonzaga. He could rise during draft workouts. Ultimately, I think he's a big off the bench at the next level, but he could be a decent rotation player.

I did like what I've seen of him thus far as well. Tillie and Hachimura are the two guys to keep an eye on at Gonzaga, along with perhaps Jacob Larsen (haven't seen nearly enough of him yet, though). Certainly no high-end prospects but both could climb the rankings a bit down the road.

Hachimura is definitely showing improvement today - looking like a first rounder. I'd probably lean slightly toward Tillie if I had to choose between them, but that might change if Hachimura shows more defensively and starts making more 3's.

[jonjames]

Did collin sexton solidfy himself as 1st pg selected in draft after last night performance?

[ReginaldDwight]

Did collin sexton solidfy himself as 1st pg selected in draft after last night performance?

I think he was before last night, but yeah he is looking really solid IMO.

[No-Man]

Did collin sexton solidfy himself as 1st pg selected in draft after last night performance?

I think he was before last night, but yeah he is looking really solid IMO.

He probably would, better frame and overall physical profile, but Trae just dropped 43

[TheSuzerain]

Deep sleeper, but I thought Marcus Garrett was the 2nd most impressive freshman on the floor in the KU - UK game.

[nolang1]

Deep sleeper, but I thought Marcus Garrett was the 2nd most impressive freshman on the floor in the KU - UK game.

Was just going to post about him. If you liked DeAnthony Melton before the season, you may end up liking Garrett even more.

[No-Man]

Sergi Garcia popped playing with Spain imo, his numbers this year for Zaragoza have taken a jump, athletic combo, 6'4, 20 years old, from Balear Islands like Llull, he has a deal in place gonna join Real Madrid in 2020, more like a stash, but intriguing prospect.