2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

Kerb Hohl · Post #261 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:55 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
I'm not sure I'd say it would've been easy to make that trade, but sure, the rest is alright. I still don't think we'd beat out the big dogs for someone like Machado, but you never know. I'm also not sure if Mark wants to leave Machado making $40-50 million/year at age 33-35 on his books 7-8 years from now.

Let the big dogs overspend this year and maybe you have a chance. People act like teams are going to be disciplined but history shows that somebody is going to do something really stupid with Hosmer, Moustakas, Holland, Lynn, etc. Successful free agency is often more about whom you don't sign than whom you do. There are some guys I wouldn't mind on multiyear deals but I'm leaning pretty strongly against Arrieta, Darvish, etc.

Man, I dunno. A lot of these teams really do seem to be clearing out for those guys. You could argue that you could get Arrieta or Darvish at a discount simply because the big dogs are trying to hold off this offseason.

coolhandluke121 · Post #262 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
Man, I dunno. A lot of these teams really do seem to be clearing out for those guys. You could argue that you could get Arrieta or Darvish at a discount simply because the big dogs are trying to hold off this offseason.

Fair point. As a caveat to anything I ever suggest for any team I'm a fan of, you always have to "take what the market gives you".

wichmae · Post #263 » by **wichmae** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:02 pm

If any year is the year to spend some money on a FA its probably this year.
Factors to consider..
Losing the pick wont hurt as much because we dont have a huge pool in the first place.
Nelson is basically done for the year.
Its possible you could realistically land one or two of the top market FA's for relatively decent market price.
If were looking at 3 year deals with 4th year options or a buyout it actually might make some sense for the team to explore this.

It also makes a **** ton of sense to start consolidating some of the AA and above logjam. Monte had an amazing AFL and his value may never be higher than it is. Were literally not going to be able to roster all of these guys to protect from rule 5. (I cant believe im going to type this) It might be time to try and start adding to the rotation and pen using our depth.

Kerb Hohl · Post #264 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 pm

wichmae wrote:If any year is the year to spend some money on a FA its probably this year.
Factors to consider..
Losing the pick wont hurt as much because we dont have a huge pool in the first place.
Nelson is basically done for the year.
Its possible you could realistically land one or two of the top market FA's for relatively decent market price.
If were looking at 3 year deals with 4th year options or a buyout it actually might make some sense for the team to explore this.

It also makes a **** ton of sense to start consolidating some of the AA and above logjam. Monte had an amazing AFL and his value may never be higher than it is. Were literally not going to be able to roster all of these guys to protect from rule 5. (I cant believe im going to type this) It might be time to try and start adding to the rotation and pen using our depth.

And if the pitching depth (and you now have Arrieta, for example) and outfield depth is truly as good as some think, you deal some of your majors talent like Nelson, Anderson, or Davies 1-2 years from now for very young talent to alleviate the roster pinch.

coolhandluke121 · Post #265 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:23 pm

wichmae wrote: (I cant believe im going to type this) It might be time to try and start adding to the rotation and pen using our depth.

Trwi right now:

https://media.giphy.com/media/8VLgtJqaxIlhu/giphy.gif

I think this signal just went up over his house.

https://ibb.co/kykaHm

coolhandluke121 · Post #266 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:52 pm

When can they put Nelson on the 60-day and free up a spot on the 40?

wichmae · Post #267 » by **wichmae** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:57 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
wichmae wrote:If any year is the year to spend some money on a FA its probably this year.
Factors to consider..
Losing the pick wont hurt as much because we dont have a huge pool in the first place.
Nelson is basically done for the year.
Its possible you could realistically land one or two of the top market FA's for relatively decent market price.
If were looking at 3 year deals with 4th year options or a buyout it actually might make some sense for the team to explore this.

It also makes a **** ton of sense to start consolidating some of the AA and above logjam. Monte had an amazing AFL and his value may never be higher than it is. Were literally not going to be able to roster all of these guys to protect from rule 5. (I cant believe im going to type this) It might be time to try and start adding to the rotation and pen using our depth.

And if the pitching depth (and you now have Arrieta, for example) and outfield depth is truly as good as some think, you deal some of your majors talent like Nelson, Anderson, or Davies 1-2 years from now for very young talent to alleviate the roster pinch.

Not sure Nelson truthfully should be included in basically any conversation moving forward except when considering him as a complete loss. Davies in two year would be first year arb as well. Not sure we would consider him unless theyre is a haul coming back and were completely out of it. It kind of depends on where the team is at that point whether you cash in players (which I've always been an avid proponent of) or retain MLB talent.
Were at the point where we basically have 5+ years of OF depth covered at multiple levels. Santana, Phillips, Brinson. Then right behind is Stokes, Harrison, Ray, and Clark. Now one, two, or a few of these guys wont obviously pan out but we'll obviously have some breakout from somewhere as well as two more drafts to replenish.

wichmae · Post #268 » by **wichmae** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:58 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:When can they put Nelson on the 60-day and free up a spot on the 40?

There is no disabled list in the off-season.

Gianstoppable · Post #269 » by **Gianstoppable** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:31 am

We should be getting into these guys the Braves lost. Stearns is probably salivating over signing Maitan

Kerb Hohl · Post #270 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:21 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:We should be getting into these guys the Braves lost. Stearns is probably salivating over signing Maitan

We aren't at the top of the international signing $ available list. I think other teams had stocked up on it so we likely can't. It's capped.

Gianstoppable · Post #271 » by **Gianstoppable** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:23 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:We should be getting into these guys the Braves lost. Stearns is probably salivating over signing Maitan

We aren't at the top of the international signing $ available list. I think other teams had stocked up on it so we likely can't. It's capped.

True, however, we are 8th so we could sign aft least a couple guys if we wanted. Also, can't you trade for more slots? I forget how that works.

trwi7 · Post #272 » by **trwi7** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:22 pm

Haudricourt is dumb as ****.

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Kerb Hohl · Post #273 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:03 am

Zero disagreement with the Haudricourt sentiment (“who will play center field if they trade Gomez?”) but Baker is interesting. Has basically not played for 3 years due to injury.

I wouldn’t put much stock in him and he could just end up being a placeholder until we find somebody we like better.

trwi7 · Post #274 » by **trwi7** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:58 am

I would like to issue an apology to Tom Haudricourt. He may be stupid but he's not even in the same universe of stupidity as Kyle Lesniewski.

Kerb Hohl · Post #275 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:24 pm

trwi7 wrote:I would like to issue an apology to Tom Haudricourt. He may be stupid but he's not even in the same universe of stupidity as Kyle Lesniewski.

As I read down, I was saying, "OK, this is probably because twirly wants to tank."

I get to the free agent signings. No problems. Sounds good.

I get to the Archer part...not what I'd do, but fine. It's kinda the "let's go for it" casual fan thing that doesn't make a ton of sense but if the trade is fair...fine.

Then I get to the part where we trade the rest of our farm system for Cesar Hernandez and Yasmani Grandal (who I like, but come on). Lol. Yeah, that's a good way to empty this thing out for 2 88 win seasons.

This is why it does confuse me a bit as to why everyone hates free agency so much. You can give up 3 good prospects to acquire Cesar Hernandez for 3 years, or you can just sign Neil Walker to an overpriced 3 year contract. If Walker regresses by year 3...literally cut him and pay the dead money and play your young guy coming up. You'll have kept your prospects that will be in the majors by then.

wichmae · Post #276 » by **wichmae** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:25 pm

trwi7 wrote:I would like to issue an apology to Tom Haudricourt. He may be stupid but he's not even in the same universe of stupidity as Kyle Lesniewski.

Same guy who wanted to gut system for Kinsler, Granderson, Gray, and Verlander at trade deadline. Either at this point he's anti-prospect or using it for click bait.

Thats about as big of an over pay as one could do for Archer. Thats a huge price tag and TB would be ALL over that. Dream scenario for them.
Dubon is pretty close to what Hernandez will be as a player except a better defender and significantly more speed. Grandal is a poor defensive catcher and Im not sure what he brings to an MLB team at this point. Very puzzling to say the least.

Kerb Hohl · Post #277 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:52 pm

wichmae wrote:
trwi7 wrote:I would like to issue an apology to Tom Haudricourt. He may be stupid but he's not even in the same universe of stupidity as Kyle Lesniewski.

Same guy who wanted to gut system for Kinsler, Granderson, Gray, and Verlander at trade deadline. Either at this point he's anti-prospect or using it for click bait.

Thats about as big of an over pay as one could do for Archer. Thats a huge price tag and TB would be ALL over that. Dream scenario for them.
Dubon is pretty close to what Hernandez will be as a player except a better defender and significantly more speed. Grandal is a poor defensive catcher and Im not sure what he brings to an MLB team at this point. Very puzzling to say the least.

I used to not be a huge Hernandez guy thinking he was an overrated steals/batting average guy, but saying Dubon will be a 3-4 WAR player is pretty lofty. Hernandez is pretty good right now, but I don't value him much going forward. I'm not a huge Dubon fan either in the sense that I think he'll be a contributor but I'm not penning him into the starting 2B spot for several years, either.

I guess I'd say that Hernandez and Dubon had very similar progressions through the minors, but just kinda "I'll believe it when I see it" for guys in both of their molds. Hernandez has proven it but I'll have to see it from Dubon in the majors first.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #278 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:07 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Zero disagreement with the Haudricourt sentiment (“who will play center field if they trade Gomez?”) but Baker is interesting. Has basically not played for 3 years due to injury.

I wouldn’t put much stock in him and he could just end up being a placeholder until we find somebody we like better.

Yeah, Stearns has shown zero hesitation in playing musical chairs with the bottom of the 40 man roster if/when he makes additional moves. I'm not worried about that part of it at all.

trwi7 · Post #279 » by **trwi7** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:08 pm

wichmae wrote:
trwi7 wrote:I would like to issue an apology to Tom Haudricourt. He may be stupid but he's not even in the same universe of stupidity as Kyle Lesniewski.

Same guy who wanted to gut system for Kinsler, Granderson, Gray, and Verlander at trade deadline. Either at this point he's anti-prospect or using it for click bait.

Thats about as big of an over pay as one could do for Archer. Thats a huge price tag and TB would be ALL over that. Dream scenario for them.
Dubon is pretty close to what Hernandez will be as a player except a better defender and significantly more speed. Grandal is a poor defensive catcher and Im not sure what he brings to an MLB team at this point. Very puzzling to say the least.

Apparently he runs BCB now. My God has that place gone downhill if that's the type of crap he's posting regularly.

wichmae · Post #280 » by **wichmae** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:13 pm

trwi7 wrote:
wichmae wrote:
trwi7 wrote:I would like to issue an apology to Tom Haudricourt. He may be stupid but he's not even in the same universe of stupidity as Kyle Lesniewski.

Same guy who wanted to gut system for Kinsler, Granderson, Gray, and Verlander at trade deadline. Either at this point he's anti-prospect or using it for click bait.

Thats about as big of an over pay as one could do for Archer. Thats a huge price tag and TB would be ALL over that. Dream scenario for them.
Dubon is pretty close to what Hernandez will be as a player except a better defender and significantly more speed. Grandal is a poor defensive catcher and Im not sure what he brings to an MLB team at this point. Very puzzling to say the least.

Apparently he runs BCB now. My God has that place gone downhill if that's the type of crap he's posting regularly.

It got so bad around trade deadline I unfollowed a few of those dudes on Twitter. I personally think theyre doing it for attention/clicks.