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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1601 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:58 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:The Okafor situation is interesting. A buyout is coming, but if it happens at the deadline we have time to try to move Monroe for an asset.

That's the best case scenario:
-Monroe for an asset
-Sign Okafor to a nice 2 year deal. Overpay a bit, but then we have his bird rights and still have flexibility in 2019.

We can also promise Okafor a starting spot and move Tyson to the bench.

2nd best case scenario:
-We buy out Monroe at the deadline
-We sign Okafor (Essentially we end up trading Bledsoe for Okafor, a 1st and a 2nd).


If we do that, then we should probably buy out Len.


I doubt Len wants a buyout.
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Post#1602 » by Wilber85 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:11 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Schroder might be the sexier high potential option but I think Dinwiddie or McConnell would make the team and our star players better.

Career Averages:

Assist to Turnover Ratio
Dinwiddie 3.4 to 1
McConnell 2.9 to 1
Schroder 2.0 to 1

3 Point %
Dinwiddie 33%
Schroder 33%
McConnell 31%

Steals Per 36
McConnell 1.9
Dinwiddie 1.4
Schroder 1.4

O-Rating
Dinwiddie 111
McConnell 105
Schroder 100

Also Schroder is likely to cost about $10m more.


I'm sure many of us would prefer TJ or SD but those guys are not going anywhere. The team has their control and they are cheap and productive.


My question is what does McConnell and Dinwiddie do for us? Does that make us a playoff team? Does that give us a piece to build around? Do you see them as a leader and franchise changing player?

My answer to all of those is no!
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Post#1604 » by Frank Lee » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:23 pm

This timeline talk implies we are on some kind of schedule.... and if anything we are running late.

Its a ruse. A distraction. A coincidental strategy masking the inefficiency of the front office's attempts to put a competitive team on the floor. McD is all in on draft picks. If he can't move them, then he has to use them. Right now, we are supposed to patiently wait for Chris to learn how to play basketball, Bender to grow into a man, and Jackson to learn how to shoot.... and god somewhere we find a coach. We have dubbed Booker 'the face' and already pencilled in a max deal for him. We'd better hope he doesn't get tired of losing before he signs.... and then is content long before until he decides he doesn't want to be here either. I watch him play and sense frustration. He is always one step away from hog ball chucker mode as there is little to no support for him. Losing 70% of the games in the fashion we lose them will take its toll, on him, the team, and the fans.

Timelining is dangerous. It is founded on players achieving their abilities on schedule. Like there will be some regenerative talent pool as each player comes into his own. We have already seen one semi failure in Len... but somehow we can blindly look at Chris, Bender, and Jackson and project their success like with Booker and Warren. It just bucks the odds that that you succeed draft pick after draft pick, year after year. Its time to take what we have and build around and with it... rather than hoping we strike gold with some more flawed 20 year olds.

McD has tied up almost 40 million a year in worthless parts... run through 3 coaches, made countless non impact FA signings, lost valid NBA players to bad relationships... and has had to push the 'reset button' on more than one occasion..... I guess we get one more year of really bad non competitive borderline non system dysfunctional basketball served up to us... as we applaud our future draft picks and point to the time line when some new kid from a list of 7 will bring us around the corner.... in a few more years when he grows up.

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Post#1605 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:31 pm

Wilber85 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Schroder might be the sexier high potential option but I think Dinwiddie or McConnell would make the team and our star players better.

Career Averages:

Assist to Turnover Ratio
Dinwiddie 3.4 to 1
McConnell 2.9 to 1
Schroder 2.0 to 1

3 Point %
Dinwiddie 33%
Schroder 33%
McConnell 31%

Steals Per 36
McConnell 1.9
Dinwiddie 1.4
Schroder 1.4

O-Rating
Dinwiddie 111
McConnell 105
Schroder 100

Also Schroder is likely to cost about $10m more.


I'm sure many of us would prefer TJ or SD but those guys are not going anywhere. The team has their control and they are cheap and productive.


My question is what does McConnell and Dinwiddie do for us? Does that make us a playoff team? Does that give us a piece to build around? Do you see them as a leader and franchise changing player?

My answer to all of those is no!


It gives us guys who pass the ball and gets others involved (SD has almost a 6-1 ast/to ratio and TJ almost a 3-1) and they both shoot well from 3 which we desperately need to spread the floor to pull out defenders to allow some of the others to be more effective and get the lane unclogged (TJ 57% from 3, SD 40.5% from 3), and TJ plays solid defense which is another thing we need. It helps us at least be a bit more competitive while getting more players involved and making it far easier to run a system where the ball actually moves.

I mean look at the difference in their offensive ratings compared to our current guards. http://bkref.com/tiny/KtXgv

Doesn't matter though, they won't be available.
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Post#1606 » by suns91fan » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:33 pm

LukasBMW wrote:The Okafor situation is interesting. A buyout is coming, but if it happens at the deadline we have time to try to move Monroe for an asset.

That's the best case scenario:
-Monroe for an asset
-Sign Okafor to a nice 2 year deal. Overpay a bit, but then we have his bird rights and still have flexibility in 2019.

We can also promise Okafor a starting spot and move Tyson to the bench.

2nd best case scenario:
-We buy out Monroe at the deadline
-We sign Okafor (Essentially we end up trading Bledsoe for Okafor, a 1st and a 2nd).


You know situation is dire when our best case scenario is to promise a starting spot to a guy like Okafor, who possibly won't even be in a league two years from now.
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Post#1607 » by Frank Lee » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:37 pm

Wilber85 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Schroder might be the sexier high potential option but I think Dinwiddie or McConnell would make the team and our star players better.

Career Averages:

Assist to Turnover Ratio
Dinwiddie 3.4 to 1
McConnell 2.9 to 1
Schroder 2.0 to 1

3 Point %
Dinwiddie 33%
Schroder 33%
McConnell 31%

Steals Per 36
McConnell 1.9
Dinwiddie 1.4
Schroder 1.4

O-Rating
Dinwiddie 111
McConnell 105
Schroder 100

Also Schroder is likely to cost about $10m more.


I'm sure many of us would prefer TJ or SD but those guys are not going anywhere. The team has their control and they are cheap and productive.


My question is what does McConnell and Dinwiddie do for us? Does that make us a playoff team? Does that give us a piece to build around? Do you see them as a leader and franchise changing player?

My answer to all of those is no!



I dont know what the F you expect Wilbur, but adding one player at a time, improving one position at a time will eventually lead to good things. Not every pick up has to be a franchise changer. Was Williams one ? no , but he is a positive contributor just as GD practically any pg other than the two YMCA-ers we have. You dont need superstars/allstars at every position, but you sure need guys who are valid NBA players and not negative impacters. Right now we start three guys who likely would not sniff most starting line ups and may be even find themselves way down on the bench.

Is what it is... doesn't matter as neither of those guys are coming here without significant value in exchange.


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Post#1608 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:48 pm

Frank Lee wrote:This timeline talk implies we are on some kind of schedule.... and if anything we are running late.

Its a ruse. A distraction. A coincidental strategy masking the inefficiency of the front office's attempts to put a competitive team on the floor. McD is all in on draft picks. If he can't move them, then he has to use them. Right now, we are supposed to patiently wait for Chris to learn how to play basketball, Bender to grow into a man, and Jackson to learn how to shoot.... and god somewhere we find a coach. We have dubbed Booker 'the face' and already pencilled in a max deal for him. We'd better hope he doesn't get tired of losing before he signs.... and then is content long before until he decides he doesn't want to be here either. I watch him play and sense frustration. He is always one step away from hog ball chucker mode as there is little to no support for him. Losing 70% of the games in the fashion we lose them will take its toll, on him, the team, and the fans.

Timelining is dangerous. It is founded on players achieving their abilities on schedule. Like there will be some regenerative talent pool as each player comes into his own. We have already seen one semi failure in Len... but somehow we can blindly look at Chris, Bender, and Jackson and project their success like with Booker and Warren. It just bucks the odds that that you succeed draft pick after draft pick, year after year. Its time to take what we have and build around and with it... rather than hoping we strike gold with some more flawed 20 year olds.

McD has tied up almost 40 million a year in worthless parts... run through 3 coaches, made countless non impact FA signings, lost valid NBA players to bad relationships... and has had to push the 'reset button' on more than one occasion..... I guess we get one more year of really bad non competitive borderline non system dysfunctional basketball served up to us... as we applaud our future draft picks and point to the time line when some new kid from a list of 7 will bring us around the corner.... in a few more years when he grows up.

That is all for now....


We simply just need to make good picks that pan out. The Suns have always built primarily through the draft when they were most successful.

We drafted Alvan Adams, Walter Davis, Larry Nance and then when we traded for KJ that was basically building through the draft by trading our best player for a rookie, Hornacek, Majerle, Finley (traded for Kidd), Nash (traded for a pick that became Marion), Amare.

Of course we did sign guys to add to already successful teams (Barkley, Manning) or sign a guy that was added to helped make the sum greater than our individual parts (Nash).

We've never really traded for some big name all star type player when we were having a down year. I can't even recall teams that were mired at the bottom of the standings trading for a star and becoming instantly competitive, other than maybe the 2007 Celtics. Most all teams flourish with their draft picks outside of the Heat signing those guys, but they already had a championship guy in Wade to start with.

I'm not sure how many big time difference makers signed with bad teams either. I guess maybe Tom Chambers, or you could say Nash, but in the latter situation we had made the playoffs the year before in 03.
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Post#1610 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:00 pm

LukasBMW wrote:The Okafor situation is interesting. A buyout is coming, but if it happens at the deadline we have time to try to move Monroe for an asset.

That's the best case scenario:
-Monroe for an asset
-Sign Okafor to a nice 2 year deal. Overpay a bit, but then we have his bird rights and still have flexibility in 2019.

We can also promise Okafor a starting spot and move Tyson to the bench.

2nd best case scenario:
-We buy out Monroe at the deadline
-We sign Okafor (Essentially we end up trading Bledsoe for Okafor, a 1st and a 2nd).

What I don't get with the okafor situation is if they wanted him why didn't they just trade a second rder a month ago and pick up his 4th yr option. Would have been a simple solution and they had the cap space to do it.

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Post#1611 » by LukasBMW » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:21 pm

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LukasBMW wrote:The Okafor situation is interesting. A buyout is coming, but if it happens at the deadline we have time to try to move Monroe for an asset.

That's the best case scenario:
-Monroe for an asset
-Sign Okafor to a nice 2 year deal. Overpay a bit, but then we have his bird rights and still have flexibility in 2019.

We can also promise Okafor a starting spot and move Tyson to the bench.

2nd best case scenario:
-We buy out Monroe at the deadline
-We sign Okafor (Essentially we end up trading Bledsoe for Okafor, a 1st and a 2nd).

What I don't get with the okafor situation is if they wanted him why didn't they just trade a second rder a month ago and pick up his 4th yr option. Would have been a simple solution and they had the cap space to do it.

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Totally agree. Unless Philly wanted more then a 2nd rounder at that time?

Seems like we might have missed a golden chance to offer Bledsoe for TJ + Okafor.

But at this point, a buyout is our best bet. That way we can sign him outright and hopefully keep his bird rights with the right deal.
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Post#1612 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:37 pm

Check out the comparison here....fg%, 3pt fg%, ast, to, stl, etc...looks like we got the right guy of the two.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qeQOc

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Post#1613 » by handsome salary » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:43 pm

All that success with draft picks and signings mentioned in previous posts was done with a different owner. Other then a warm feeling it's not applicable to those running the show and increasing the longest playoff drought in the franchise history.
Once the team was included in the top tier of franchises. Now? If it wasn't for the Kings they'd be the worst run team year in/year out.
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Post#1614 » by BobbieL » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:51 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:The Okafor situation is interesting. A buyout is coming, but if it happens at the deadline we have time to try to move Monroe for an asset.

That's the best case scenario:
-Monroe for an asset
-Sign Okafor to a nice 2 year deal. Overpay a bit, but then we have his bird rights and still have flexibility in 2019.

We can also promise Okafor a starting spot and move Tyson to the bench.

2nd best case scenario:
-We buy out Monroe at the deadline
-We sign Okafor (Essentially we end up trading Bledsoe for Okafor, a 1st and a 2nd).

What I don't get with the okafor situation is if they wanted him why didn't they just trade a second rder a month ago and pick up his 4th yr option. Would have been a simple solution and they had the cap space to do it.

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Totally agree. Unless Philly wanted more then a 2nd rounder at that time?

Seems like we might have missed a golden chance to offer Bledsoe for TJ + Okafor.

But at this point, a buyout is our best bet. That way we can sign him outright and hopefully keep his bird rights with the right deal.



If Okafor is bought out - the Suns can sign him to a pretty sizable deal where as the Celtics (rumored top team) - can offer the minimum. So unless Okafor wants the Celtics - the Suns could offr more money. And get his bird rights

I still am not sure why the Sixers wouldn't want even say the Suns second rounder and one from the Raptors or Grizz, possibly Bucks
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Post#1615 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:51 pm

handsome salary wrote:All that success with draft picks and signings mentioned in previous posts was done with a different owner. Other then a warm feeling it's not applicable to those running the show and increasing the longest playoff drought in the franchise history.
Once the team was included in the top tier of franchises. Now? If it wasn't for the Kings they'd be the worst run team year in/year out.


I guess my point was that regardless of owner, team, etc, that most good teams are build through the draft...at least the core of those teams, and then once they become competitive they may add a solid free agent or pull off a trade, barring a few specific situations. There are always hits and misses in the draft, and usually more misses in bad drafts obviously.
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Post#1616 » by Son of Ra » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:05 pm

I don't understand why anyone thinks we'd be able to trade Monroe or up his trade value. As an expiring, sure, maybe. But what do we expect from showcasing him? No one wanted to trade for him when he was in Detroit. Milwaukee's been trying to trade him for a long time, again, no takers. Why would there be demand all of a sudden? At this point everybody in the league knows what he is. And nobody wants him. His only value is being an expiring.
I think playing him is only hurting us by playing crazy lineups (Monroe/Chandler) and more importantly taking away PT from the younger guys when at this current state of the franchise this is all we should be doing.
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Post#1617 » by King4Day » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:09 pm

Unless we snag him on waivers, there's no way he wouldn't choose Boston. That franchise is run well and they know how to develop talent.
I'm sure they would find minutes for him.
Assuming offers are out there, Philly should take the best deal they can for a team out West. Even if it's for a crappy 2nd.

Much as I'd like to see him in Phoenix, I don't trust us to be able to develop him.
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Post#1618 » by Frank Lee » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:14 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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Frank Lee wrote:This timeline talk implies we are on some kind of schedule.... and if anything we are running late.

Its a ruse. A distraction. A coincidental strategy masking the inefficiency of the front office's attempts to put a competitive team on the floor. McD is all in on draft picks. If he can't move them, then he has to use them. Right now, we are supposed to patiently wait for Chris to learn how to play basketball, Bender to grow into a man, and Jackson to learn how to shoot.... and god somewhere we find a coach. We have dubbed Booker 'the face' and already pencilled in a max deal for him. We'd better hope he doesn't get tired of losing before he signs.... and then is content long before until he decides he doesn't want to be here either. I watch him play and sense frustration. He is always one step away from hog ball chucker mode as there is little to no support for him. Losing 70% of the games in the fashion we lose them will take its toll, on him, the team, and the fans.

Timelining is dangerous. It is founded on players achieving their abilities on schedule. Like there will be some regenerative talent pool as each player comes into his own. We have already seen one semi failure in Len... but somehow we can blindly look at Chris, Bender, and Jackson and project their success like with Booker and Warren. It just bucks the odds that that you succeed draft pick after draft pick, year after year. Its time to take what we have and build around and with it... rather than hoping we strike gold with some more flawed 20 year olds.

McD has tied up almost 40 million a year in worthless parts... run through 3 coaches, made countless non impact FA signings, lost valid NBA players to bad relationships... and has had to push the 'reset button' on more than one occasion..... I guess we get one more year of really bad non competitive borderline non system dysfunctional basketball served up to us... as we applaud our future draft picks and point to the time line when some new kid from a list of 7 will bring us around the corner.... in a few more years when he grows up.

That is all for now....


We simply just need to make good picks that pan out. The Suns have always built primarily through the draft when they were most successful.

We drafted Alvan Adams, Walter Davis, Larry Nance and then when we traded for KJ that was basically building through the draft by trading our best player for a rookie, Hornacek, Majerle, Finley (traded for Kidd), Nash (traded for a pick that became Marion), Amare.

Of course we did sign guys to add to already successful teams (Barkley, Manning) or sign a guy that was added to helped make the sum greater than our individual parts (Nash).

We've never really traded for some big name all star type player when we were having a down year. I can't even recall teams that were mired at the bottom of the standings trading for a star and becoming instantly competitive, other than maybe the 2007 Celtics. Most all teams flourish with their draft picks outside of the Heat signing those guys, but they already had a championship guy in Wade to start with.

I'm not sure how many big time difference makers signed with bad teams either. I guess maybe Tom Chambers, or you could say Nash, but in the latter situation we had made the playoffs the year before in 03.


I dont think you can compare the drafting that went on 20+ years ago to today. Doing little to no research I can almost guarantee the players selected then had 3 years of college on average. This not only added valuable instruction to the rookie, but aided the GMs in identifying true talent. Nowadays may be 3 rookies are actually good from the get go, and so few seniors are drafted they should get their own round. Look at the stats you just posted on Smith. The whole rookie draft game is a PR hype job perpetuated by both the player agencies and the league. Its a bigger crap shoot now than ever. And an even bigger crap shoot to rely solely on drafting to rebuild your team.

The problem we face now is not many FAs want to come here because we are so bad... and there is enough money out there for them to go elsewhere. We also are somewhat hamstrung in trading as our Vets have no value, and our youngsters, aside from Booker and Warren are gigantic question marks. Furthermore, we have seen an exodus of valid NBA players for draft picks. Tangibles for non tangibles. Each time, leaving a talent void. Look at the results. This team is loaded with G-Leaguers .... and mired in the dregs of the NBA. And , it seems the only way up and out will rest on the ability of McD to either deal and/or draft. I dont know if he can get us out of the hole he dug.


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Post#1619 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:31 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
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Frank Lee wrote:This timeline talk implies we are on some kind of schedule.... and if anything we are running late.

Its a ruse. A distraction. A coincidental strategy masking the inefficiency of the front office's attempts to put a competitive team on the floor. McD is all in on draft picks. If he can't move them, then he has to use them. Right now, we are supposed to patiently wait for Chris to learn how to play basketball, Bender to grow into a man, and Jackson to learn how to shoot.... and god somewhere we find a coach. We have dubbed Booker 'the face' and already pencilled in a max deal for him. We'd better hope he doesn't get tired of losing before he signs.... and then is content long before until he decides he doesn't want to be here either. I watch him play and sense frustration. He is always one step away from hog ball chucker mode as there is little to no support for him. Losing 70% of the games in the fashion we lose them will take its toll, on him, the team, and the fans.

Timelining is dangerous. It is founded on players achieving their abilities on schedule. Like there will be some regenerative talent pool as each player comes into his own. We have already seen one semi failure in Len... but somehow we can blindly look at Chris, Bender, and Jackson and project their success like with Booker and Warren. It just bucks the odds that that you succeed draft pick after draft pick, year after year. Its time to take what we have and build around and with it... rather than hoping we strike gold with some more flawed 20 year olds.

McD has tied up almost 40 million a year in worthless parts... run through 3 coaches, made countless non impact FA signings, lost valid NBA players to bad relationships... and has had to push the 'reset button' on more than one occasion..... I guess we get one more year of really bad non competitive borderline non system dysfunctional basketball served up to us... as we applaud our future draft picks and point to the time line when some new kid from a list of 7 will bring us around the corner.... in a few more years when he grows up.

That is all for now....


We simply just need to make good picks that pan out. The Suns have always built primarily through the draft when they were most successful.

We drafted Alvan Adams, Walter Davis, Larry Nance and then when we traded for KJ that was basically building through the draft by trading our best player for a rookie, Hornacek, Majerle, Finley (traded for Kidd), Nash (traded for a pick that became Marion), Amare.

Of course we did sign guys to add to already successful teams (Barkley, Manning) or sign a guy that was added to helped make the sum greater than our individual parts (Nash).

We've never really traded for some big name all star type player when we were having a down year. I can't even recall teams that were mired at the bottom of the standings trading for a star and becoming instantly competitive, other than maybe the 2007 Celtics. Most all teams flourish with their draft picks outside of the Heat signing those guys, but they already had a championship guy in Wade to start with.

I'm not sure how many big time difference makers signed with bad teams either. I guess maybe Tom Chambers, or you could say Nash, but in the latter situation we had made the playoffs the year before in 03.


I dont think you can compare the drafting that went on 20+ years ago to today. Doing little to no research I can almost guarantee the players selected then had 3 years of college on average. This not only added valuable instruction to the rookie, but aided the GMs in identifying true talent. Nowadays may be 3 rookies are actually good from the get go, and so few seniors are drafted they should get their own round. Look at the stats you just posted on Smith. The whole rookie draft game is a PR hype job perpetuated by both the player agencies and the league. Its a bigger crap shoot now than ever. And an even bigger crap shoot to rely solely on drafting to rebuild your team.

The problem we face now is not many FAs want to come here because we are so bad... and there is enough money out there for them to go elsewhere. We also are somewhat hamstrung in trading as our Vets have no value, and our youngsters, aside from Booker and Warren are gigantic question marks. Furthermore, we have seen an exodus of valid NBA players for draft picks. Tangibles for non tangibles. Each time, leaving a talent void. Look at the results. This team is loaded with G-Leaguers .... and mired in the dregs of the NBA. And , it seems the only way up and out will rest on the ability of McD to either deal and/or draft. I dont know if he can get us out of the hole he dug.

PS....
Handsome Salary antes up nicely and concisely.


That's a good point. The draft is a big time crap shoot and a lot of luck is involved. Some teams swing and miss for years. Most of the difference makers are top 3 and especially top 1 picks, but you do have your busts.

Maybe there is a case to be made to take guys who spend a few years in college, particularly if you have a good system in place once they get here. After all, the best team in the league and one of the best in history, in the Warriors drafted Curry and Thompson, who each played 3 years in college and Draymond Green, who played 4.

Obviously years in college isn't going to guarantee they become top 20 players in the league like these guys are (they may be the only ones who did spend 3+ years in college out of the top 20 other than Lillard if you count him) but you know what you are getting. I mean, Hield, for example, worked on and improved his 3 pt shooting for four years in college and is now shooting 44% from 3. Jamal Murray, who was taken around the same spot, is shooting 27% from 3. Sure, one could argue Murray has more upside but there is also a chance he never amounts to anything, it being his second year already. Bender is at least shooting 38% from 3 and he didn't come out as a shooter like Murray did.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1620 » by Son of Ra » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:32 pm

I'm also very concerned about how we're "ruining talent" by not using them properly and to their strengths.
I bet Len would actually be a pretty good player had we not tried to make him something he isn't for 3 years straight.
I see the same thing happening with Bender at the moment and I don't like it. He's basically being used in only two ways on offense; standing around the 3 point line for a catch and shoot and as a traditional big in the sense of hovering around the high post or between elbow and 3 pt line either catching the ball and just passing it on right away without a move/dribble and/or setting blocks (kinda like Chandler minus the inside play).
He's got so much potential because he has guard play in him. He could punish so many big guys defending him and when he actually does drive he looks very good. His floater/hook that he busted out two games in a row earlier this season is money.
We should have him attack the rim at least twice a game. Dribble, set up plays, be actively involved. Bender has the BBIQ to not go into tunnel vision like Jackson does (and literally turn over the ball 9 out of 10 times) and pass the ball out when there's no going anywhere.
I could go on and on but I think you know what I mean.

TL;dr
I think we're totally wasting Bender's potential by seriously misusing him.

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