Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[Saberestar]

I like Fizdale, good to know that he is gonna be available.

Big time moment...

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[Damkac]

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Triano and his bench unit...

Why you need shooting in your starting lineup? Ulis-Jackson-Warren-Monroe-Chandler worked so good as starting 5!

Seriously start that kid finally!

[Damkac]

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Apparently, NBA community is angry about the situation and supporting Fizdale. I think hiring him would fix our image in media a bit.

Wasn't it the same when Suns fired Watson and Hornacek?

[Kerrsed]

........Now waiting on Grizzlie Players to go to the Salon and post to Twitter.

[Damkac]

Sooo... Fizdale?

Also posted the news in the Around the NBA thread;

What did they expect with this roster especially with Conley being out? It can't just have been the Gasol benching in the 4th last game...Are they ultimately tearing it down now and start rebuilding? That'd be horrible for our already diminished odds at a top 5 pick...

Memphis lose 8th in a row, same with Orlando. Our tank needs to speed up.
But I bet even if Suns would end in late lottery everybody would be acting like it's the worst team in the league.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I still prefer to win games rather than tank. Give me the eighth seed and picks 13, 14 and 15, thank you very much.

[bwgood77]

I don't know. People like him.

People like me too, doesnt mean i deserve the job.

People like his coaching. If people like your coaching too, then why not?

Kerrsed coaching the team and then addressing the media afterwards...

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[bwgood77]

Sooo... Fizdale?

Also posted the news in the Around the NBA thread;

What did they expect with this roster especially with Conley being out? It can't just have been the Gasol benching in the 4th last game...Are they ultimately tearing it down now and start rebuilding? That'd be horrible for our already diminished odds at a top 5 pick...

Memphis lose 8th in a row, same with Orlando. Our tank needs to speed up.
But I bet even if Suns would end in late lottery everybody would be acting like it's the worst team in the league.

Yeah, 7-4, having beaten the Rockets twice, the Warriors, Pelicans, Blazers and Clips, and then losing 8 in a row. Their schedule has been brutal too. Most of the teams they lost to are good teams.

That's what's scary about our team. We've played one of the easiest schedules in the league. The Lakers 3 times, the Nets twice, the Bulls, the Kings, the Jazz, the Clips. Haven't played the Warriors yet. Of the other tough WC teams, we've only played most of them once.

[Waylay13]

Conley, Gasol for '18 Miami 1st, '18 Suns 1st, Bucks 1st, a few seconds, Monroe, Knight, Chandler




Conley, Ulis, James
Booker, Daniels, Reed
Jackson, Warren, Peters
Bender, Chriss, Dudley
Gasol, Len, Williams

Under no conditions do you trade an unprotected lottery pick when you are looking to be in the lottery. to top that off you are picking up players that dont feel the timeline that the Suns are working to in Conley and Gasol. So no thanks.

[lilfishi22]

Fizdale is a solid coach and scapegoating him for their current losing streak is such an overreaction. I'm not suggesting dumping Triano for him since it seems like our guys are connecting with him and his style of coaching but I wouldn't be mad if Fizdale was our coach.

[Waylay13]

I still prefer to win games rather than tank. Give me the eighth seed and picks 13, 14 and 15, thank you very much.

No thanks we experienced to much of this from the time the Suns traded Nash. I want to be in position to have a chance of winning a championship.

[bwgood77]

Conley, Gasol for '18 Miami 1st, '18 Suns 1st, Bucks 1st, a few seconds, Monroe, Knight, Chandler




Conley, Ulis, James
Booker, Daniels, Reed
Jackson, Warren, Peters
Bender, Chriss, Dudley
Gasol, Len, Williams

Under no conditions do you trade an unprotected lottery pick when you are looking to be in the lottery. to top that off you are picking up players that dont feel the timeline that the Suns are working to in Conley and Gasol. So no thanks.

Plus, Memphis is very good when they are healthy but usually within a month one is injured and at some point both are injured and by the end of the season you are lucky if one of them is healthy. I doubt that situation improves over time. I love them both as players but that would be a disaster and would really set us back. I know things are bleak and it couldn't look worse, but if we didn't have picks either we'd have zero hope. At least there is a hope that one or more of our picks become stars. We desperately need a young franchise player.

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[LukasBMW]

Question:

Would you rather have a TJ Warren & Devin Booker combo?

Or

Zach LaVine & Myles Turner?

I ask, because in 2014, it was rumored we were after LaVine and had given him a promise. But Minnesota took him @13 and we took TJ @14.

Then in 2015, it was rumored we liked Turner or (gasp Kaminsky), but both went earlier and we took Booker @ 13.

Choosing between Booker and Turner is tough. I like both guys a lot. I think both are future superstars.

Choosing between LaVine and TJ is also tough. Both have shown star potential, but both have also struggled with injuries. I think I'd choose TJ now given LaVine's injury though.

2016 is a dumpster fire for the most part so far. Too early to tell if we made the right choices here. Ben Simmons is the only one who looks like a superstar. (or even an allstar)

[LukasBMW]

Another crazy draft scenario. In 2013 we obviously took Len @5,

BUT, if you remember, we would have also had the #14 pick if the NBA hadn't helped the Lakers make the playoffs (which knocked us down to Archie Goodwin @29/30)

At 14, who would we have selected?

I wanted Shabazz (who actually went here)
Giannis went at 15
Gobert went at 27

At 14, who would we have taken? It pisses me off to think that possibly the Lakers and NBA politics might have robbed us of yet another opportunity to snag a franchise player.

...Or maybe we would have taken Shabazz anyway and it wouldn't have mattered.

[lilfishi22]

I still prefer to win games rather than tank. Give me the eighth seed and picks 13, 14 and 15, thank you very much.

No thanks we experienced to much of this from the time the Suns traded Nash. I want to be in position to have a chance of winning a championship.

We've also experienced this tank and draft approach for 7 seasons now and potentially hit that decade mark. You can make up a million excuses as to why we're not where we need to be or why the earlier year's weren't a "true rebuild" but that's just excuses. When we've tanked for this long and the only star we have is Booker, I'm not convinced we should keep going with this approach. There's no guarantees in the draft and doesn't necessarily put us in a better position to win a championship either. IMO relying on the draft is as short-sighted as selling the farm for a star player.

[bwgood77]

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Well luckily we don't have Bledsoe or we'd have 4 in the bottom 13 instead of just 3 in the bottom 12.

Our 2 point guards in the bottom 7 with starter bottom 3 is depressing. At least with the Kings and Mavs and their PG situation they also have solid vets that can play if need be.

[Frank Lee]

do we really need stats to verify what is obvious to see?

[bwgood77]

I still prefer to win games rather than tank. Give me the eighth seed and picks 13, 14 and 15, thank you very much.

No thanks we experienced to much of this from the time the Suns traded Nash. I want to be in position to have a chance of winning a championship.

We've also experienced this tank and draft approach for 7 seasons now and potentially hit that decade mark. You can make up a million excuses as to why we're not where we need to be or why the earlier year's weren't a "true rebuild" but that's just excuses. When we've tanked for this long and the only star we have is Booker, I'm not convinced we should keep going with this approach. There's no guarantees in the draft and doesn't necessarily put us in a better position to win a championship either. IMO relying on the draft is as short-sighted as selling the farm for a star player.

We haven't tanked for 7 seasons. We've tried to make the playoffs in at least 4 of them. We were actually trying the Dragic/Beasley year too.

The only year we were really trying to tank except for last year was the year we won 48 games.

We have really only tried to go the youth (tank) route 2 years before this one. 13-14 and last year. Every other year we tried to win, continually scrambling with random trades and free agent signings, most of which ended up backfiring.

2012 to try and compete we signed Dragic, Beasley and tried to max out Eric Gordon to compete.

2013 traded vets to go young, which you could call tank...somehow won 48 with mostly players that had not started before other than Dragic

2014 tried to compete to sign LeBron and one of his friends, but still signed Thomas...backfired...tried to salvage by trading for "all star snub" Brandon Knight

2015 to try and compete tried to sign Aldridge, signed Chandler, this all backfired, created the Morris situation, then Bledsoe gets injured then Knight

2016 stopped all the silly win now moves that had backfired and started to play more youth, starting Booker, giving Warren a lot of time, starting Chriss, etc. This year we were basically going young, or you could say "tanking" was our first feel good season since the last one where we tried to go young "tank" and had a feel good season, winning 48.

So our "tank" seasons have actually been our most enjoyable ones.

This one hasn't been particularly enjoyable, mainly because of the Watson/Bledsoe stuff which threw our team into disarray and left us without a starting PG.

But so far our only (or most) enjoyable seasons of the last five (or some would say seven if they think the last two Nash years were a waste) were the two we were going younger or some like to call, tanking.