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bwgood77 wrote:Wilber85 wrote:What did I miss? Bogdanovic isn't good. He is a role player.
Maybe you missed this?
BobbieL wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:BobbieL wrote:
I heard Gambo - not sure I want Jordan but can they somehow take Knight for Austin Rivers
So Monroe, Len, Knight, Miami first for Rivers, Jordan
I would prefer even Chandler instead of Knight if need be - need to keep the cap good for 2020 and Jordan will want to get paid
I say pass
Need a point guard - Gambo mentioned George Hill again
I have long figured we were a possible suitor for Jordan. He is simply a category above the centers on our roster. I think we would have a solid shot at the playoffs. Plus, if Jordan wants a payday, we'd be one of the few teams well positioned to pay top dollar.
I think we should get our choice of Beverley/Teodosic/Williams in the deal. They will want Monroe, and this will give us an advantage, because very few teams have large expirings to exchange. They may be okay accepting Chandler, and Chandler may be okay with the move, given his LA roots. Including Knight is probably a non-starter.
My goal would be to minimize the draft pick cost - try to limit this to one first. We could send them all the seconds and not be harmed. Given their lack of young talent, I could see LAC valuing that positively. To accomplish this, I would consider dealing Ulis and DJJ (if they value either positively). I would try to keep Quese off the table. Obviously, none of Bender, Booker, TJ, JJ, PHX '18 or MIA '21 would be on the table.
My target deal would be something like this (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7k6mkxs) plus MIL '18 (1st), MEM/CHA/MIA '18 (2d), MIL '18 (cond. 2d), PHX '18 (2d).
I think I would do that deal but I think the Clippers would want a first rounder - that's per Gambo so I don't think second rounders would do it
But Monroe is expiring; Chandler gets them another year - so they can tank this year. They will want that pick I think .
I think I would be okay with Deandre Jordan. I know Knight is a non starter - but Monroe/Chandler - I could live with as Bledsoe and Chandler were going to cost that much next year anyway. Would Rivers be better than Williams. Keeps an expiring for the Clippers and gives the suns a PG through next year.
I would not be opposed to Jordan.
Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Wilber85 wrote:What did I miss? Bogdanovic isn't good. He is a role player.
Maybe you missed this?
Hope this is sarcasm. One game winner over a Curry & Durant less Warriors team doesn’t make anyone good.
Plenty of players like that around.
jcsunsfan wrote:Revived wrote:Anyone else been wondering why Tyler Ulis regressed so much?
He was excellent at the end of last season, and this season he’s been much different.
Was last season just a fluke or did that ankle surgery he had in the summer change his entire game?
He was never a good shooter but even his passing and assists have went down considerably.
Sauce is injured. Tyler and Sauce has come good chemistry.
lilfishi22 wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:Revived wrote:Anyone else been wondering why Tyler Ulis regressed so much?
He was excellent at the end of last season, and this season he’s been much different.
Was last season just a fluke or did that ankle surgery he had in the summer change his entire game?
He was never a good shooter but even his passing and assists have went down considerably.
Sauce is injured. Tyler and Sauce has come good chemistry.
That's a terrible excuse for Ulis. Says a lot when the only time Ulis is effective is when he plays with an undersized 7th, 8th man off the bench.
FWIW Chandler sets some great screens
cosmofizzo wrote:BobbieL wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:
I have long figured we were a possible suitor for Jordan. He is simply a category above the centers on our roster. I think we would have a solid shot at the playoffs. Plus, if Jordan wants a payday, we'd be one of the few teams well positioned to pay top dollar.
I think we should get our choice of Beverley/Teodosic/Williams in the deal. They will want Monroe, and this will give us an advantage, because very few teams have large expirings to exchange. They may be okay accepting Chandler, and Chandler may be okay with the move, given his LA roots. Including Knight is probably a non-starter.
My goal would be to minimize the draft pick cost - try to limit this to one first. We could send them all the seconds and not be harmed. Given their lack of young talent, I could see LAC valuing that positively. To accomplish this, I would consider dealing Ulis and DJJ (if they value either positively). I would try to keep Quese off the table. Obviously, none of Bender, Booker, TJ, JJ, PHX '18 or MIA '21 would be on the table.
My target deal would be something like this (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7k6mkxs) plus MIL '18 (1st), MEM/CHA/MIA '18 (2d), MIL '18 (cond. 2d), PHX '18 (2d).
I think I would do that deal but I think the Clippers would want a first rounder - that's per Gambo so I don't think second rounders would do it
But Monroe is expiring; Chandler gets them another year - so they can tank this year. They will want that pick I think .
I think I would be okay with Deandre Jordan. I know Knight is a non starter - but Monroe/Chandler - I could live with as Bledsoe and Chandler were going to cost that much next year anyway. Would Rivers be better than Williams. Keeps an expiring for the Clippers and gives the suns a PG through next year.
I would not be opposed to Jordan.
I had included the MIL 1st in the deal. Including Austin may put this over the top - that's a good idea. I think this is the play we end up making, and I think we do it this year.
That's assuming, of course, that the LAC front office is reasonable.
Revived wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Wilber85 wrote:What did I miss? Bogdanovic isn't good. He is a role player.
Maybe you missed this?
Hope this is sarcasm. One game winner over a Curry & Durant less Warriors team doesn’t make anyone good.
Plenty of players like that around.
cosmofizzo wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:
Sauce is injured. Tyler and Sauce has come good chemistry.
That's a terrible excuse for Ulis. Says a lot when the only time Ulis is effective is when he plays with an undersized 7th, 8th man off the bench.
FWIW Chandler sets some great screens
FWIW Chandler's range is about 6 feet - and then only if he has a running start!
Kerrsed wrote:Jordan is the type of player that is obtainable and will help the team look better to other potential targets.
If you can get him for a good price, you do it.
This team has major issues with defense and Jordans presence in the paint could really help that. Another couple of issues that he solves, actually grabbing the rebounds and limiting teams from 2nd chance opportunities and making 75% of his shots in the paint. I hate hate HATE seeing our bigs constantly missing 2-4 footers at the rim. Monroe has done a much better job at this, but Jordan could be even better.
BobbieL wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:BobbieL wrote:
I think I would do that deal but I think the Clippers would want a first rounder - that's per Gambo so I don't think second rounders would do it
But Monroe is expiring; Chandler gets them another year - so they can tank this year. They will want that pick I think .
I think I would be okay with Deandre Jordan. I know Knight is a non starter - but Monroe/Chandler - I could live with as Bledsoe and Chandler were going to cost that much next year anyway. Would Rivers be better than Williams. Keeps an expiring for the Clippers and gives the suns a PG through next year.
I would not be opposed to Jordan.
I had included the MIL 1st in the deal. Including Austin may put this over the top - that's a good idea. I think this is the play we end up making, and I think we do it this year.
That's assuming, of course, that the LAC front office is reasonable.
The Milwaukee pick has many strings attached. I think the Miami pick is more of a sure thing.
To the post about signing Jordan until he is 34 - that's a good point but at some point, the Suns need to make a move that moves this thing forward. And the cost for Jordan - if its truly Monroe, Jones and Chandler for Jordan and Rivers plus a pick - is pretty damn cheap.
lilfishi22 wrote:I don't like DeAndre's attitude and I hated how that whole situation with him almost signing with Dallas played out.
That said, his talent is undeniable. And some might hate this but I think he puts us in a position to fight for a playoff spot. To me, competitiveness and a run for the playoffs is better for development for our young guys as 35mpg playing for nothing. I think Booker having a legit PnR partner would open up his game. Us having a great defender, rebounder and shot blocker at the 5 helps anchor our defense and would make our young guys better defenders. From a financial standpoint, he's expensive but if we don't give up too much for him, I think we can afford to pay him what he's owed and still be OK if we decide not to resign him.
bwgood77 wrote:BobbieL wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:
I had included the MIL 1st in the deal. Including Austin may put this over the top - that's a good idea. I think this is the play we end up making, and I think we do it this year.
That's assuming, of course, that the LAC front office is reasonable.
The Milwaukee pick has many strings attached. I think the Miami pick is more of a sure thing.
To the post about signing Jordan until he is 34 - that's a good point but at some point, the Suns need to make a move that moves this thing forward. And the cost for Jordan - if its truly Monroe, Jones and Chandler for Jordan and Rivers plus a pick - is pretty damn cheap.
If they trade Jordan it would probably be to rebuild. Not for Chandler and Monroe. Jordan is a free agent if he wants to be also. Though he probably picks up his $24 million player option. I don't think he's worth that money for our team as I don't think he takes us anywhere and that's just too much money. Not sure why they'd give us a point guard of our choice either. They would already be giving up by far the best player in the deal.
bwgood77 wrote:BobbieL wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:
I had included the MIL 1st in the deal. Including Austin may put this over the top - that's a good idea. I think this is the play we end up making, and I think we do it this year.
That's assuming, of course, that the LAC front office is reasonable.
The Milwaukee pick has many strings attached. I think the Miami pick is more of a sure thing.
To the post about signing Jordan until he is 34 - that's a good point but at some point, the Suns need to make a move that moves this thing forward. And the cost for Jordan - if its truly Monroe, Jones and Chandler for Jordan and Rivers plus a pick - is pretty damn cheap.
If they trade Jordan it would probably be to rebuild. Not for Chandler and Monroe. Jordan is a free agent if he wants to be also. Though he probably picks up his $24 million player option. I don't think he's worth that money for our team as I don't think he takes us anywhere and that's just too much money. Not sure why they'd give us a point guard of our choice either. They would already be giving up by far the best player in the deal.
Damkac wrote:What I don't understand about this board:
"OMG Suns are the worst team ever! Pathetic!"
and the next day
"We have a chance to make the playoffs! Just one player and we can fight for it!"