what's OG anunoby's potential?

[VinBaker6]

He's a top 5 rookie. Its rare to see rooks come in and have good advanced stats and actually have a net positive impact.

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

[cupcakesnake]

somewhere between Draymond and Jaylen Brown as his ceiling. despite his role player polish, he's still pretty raw in terms of actual skill set, making his ceiling hard to project. i don't see any Kawhi in his game tbh. Don't really know why people throw around the Kawhi comparison when, mentally, kawhi is just too unique. it's like comparing someone to Duncan or Bird... they've got elite mentalities and approaches to ball.

We haven't seen him dunk on anyone yet, which means, based on what I saw from him in college, is that he's not all the way back from his injury.

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he's a touch under 6'8 in shoes, with a 7'2.25 wingspan and thunder thighs. those are elite measurements: a little shorter but longer than Lebron. bigger than either Draymond or Jaylen. his best size comparisons range from Qunicy Acy/Brandon Bass to a thicc TMac or Ariza.

for over excited Raps fans, remember few players reach their potential, it's more likely he ends up a solid role-player than a star. love OG though from what i've seen. he already reads the game at an NBA level, and he's got way more confidence in his shot than I would have guessed.

[brownbobcat]

Floor: Jae Crowder/Trevor Ariza/PJ Tucker
Ceiling: Ron Artest/Shane Battier

His age, bball IQ and motor are a few of the reasons I'm really optimistic on his upside. Still doesn't look 100%, hopefully it's a full recovery

[Illmatic12]

When I saw Anunoby in college I thought he had an Artest-type upside at his best case.

At worst he will be in that Aminu, Marvin Williams mold - big athletic wings who won't necessarily be great with the ball in their hands but can do a lot of everything else.

[Patsfan1081]

Based on what I’ve seen so far he’s a lot like Jaylen Brown was last season, and I don’t think either of them have the handle, shake and overall offensive skill to be elite scorers. Very good all around players? Sure.

What? Jaylen was terrible last season. OG is already a positive player

How was Brown terrible last season? He had one of the highest ts% in the draft class and was a good defender(also was a one and done). The way people evaluate talent, either by just comparing cherry picked advanced stats or predicting per 36 numbers out to further their arguement just makes me shake my head. The idea that somone can throw out Draymond Green for a floor after just 350 minutes of pro experience speaks to how silly these player potential threads are, even comparing him to Brown makes no sense unless we're talking about their short shorts.

[The_Hater]

even comparing him to Brown makes no sense unless we're talking about their short shorts.

I like how you threw this in there at the end of your rant.

Perhaps you can explain why you think it’s such a ridiculous comparison?

[theonlyclutch]

I am thinking he's gonna look alot like Otto Porter, elite 3&D guy that's actually worthy of a max contract.

[Patsfan1081]

He's a top 5 rookie. Its rare to see rooks come in and have good advanced stats and actually have a net positive impact.

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

[VinBaker6]

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

Well I'm saying so far. If you want to make projections that's a different story.

[prophet_of_rage]

Remember everyone laughed off when Pop called Kawhi a superstar? Or when KD said he's a system player? Everyone thought he'd be some role player for the Spurs. OG and Kawhi have almost similar stats in their rookie seasons (biggest difference is Kawhi snagging more rebounds.) Kawhi was a lottery pick, OG was the 23rd coming off an ACL injury. I'm not saying he'll be like Kawhi, but it's not crazy to compare their games. I wonder how OG would be touted across the league if he were on the Lakers, Knicks or another nationally televised team. Because a lot of people in here have no idea how he plays.

Kawhi was the 15th pick.

[Yallbecrazy]

Based on what I’ve seen so far he’s a lot like Jaylen Brown was last season, and I don’t think either of them have the handle, shake and overall offensive skill to be elite scorers. Very good all around players? Sure.

What? Jaylen was terrible last season. OG is already a positive player

How was Brown terrible last season? He had one of the highest ts% in the draft class and was a good defender(also was a one and done). The way people evaluate talent, either by just comparing cherry picked advanced stats or predicting per 36 numbers out to further their arguement just makes me shake my head. The idea that somone can throw out Draymond Green for a floor after just 350 minutes of pro experience speaks to how silly these player potential threads are, even comparing him to Brown makes no sense unless we're talking about their short shorts.

Jaylen had a -8 NetRtg on a team that finished as the #1 seed, that's really terrible. He couldn't pass at all and committed many turnovers whenever he put the ball on the floor. Oh, and his defense was actually very poor last year.
He has come so far in one year to where he's serviceable this season, a leap not many have made.

[Yallbecrazy]

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

His low rebound totals are the reason for his negative BPM, eye test says he's ridiculously good already. He's easily the best defender of this draft class and it's not particularly close.

[Patsfan1081]

even comparing him to Brown makes no sense unless we're talking about their short shorts.

I like how you threw this in there at the end of your rant.

Perhaps you can explain why you think it’s such a ridiculous comparison?

I said it was silly not ridiculous, like most comparisons. Despite OG's injuries he was still a sophomore coming out, he was considered more polished, especially on the defensive end, while Brown was considered more raw. However Brown showed signs of being able to create his own offense which OG lacked. The biggest difference between the two though is Brown has a high motor and OG's was questioned, he was critiqued for taking plays off in college. Those are just the differences I see though, I consider the comp silly because the two are almost the same age, it's not like either is close to a finished product so I really don't see the point.

[The_Hater]

even comparing him to Brown makes no sense unless we're talking about their short shorts.

I like how you threw this in there at the end of your rant.

Perhaps you can explain why you think it’s such a ridiculous comparison?

I said it was silly not ridiculous, like most comparisons. Despite OG's injuries he was still a sophomore coming out, he was considered more polished, especially on the defensive end, while Brown was considered more raw. However Brown showed signs of being able to create his own offense which OG lacked. The biggest difference between the two though is Brown has a high motor and OG's was questioned, he was critiqued for taking plays off in college. Those are just the differences I see though, I consider the comp silly because the two are almost the same age, it's not like either is close to a finished product so I really don't see the point.

OG this season is the exact same age as Jaylen last season. And he’s posting better rookie numbers for a similar level team. He plays hard with a high motor every time he’s on the court so I’m not sure that’s accurate and I don’t see Brown’s ability to create his own offense. He scores off the ball in the half court and on the fast break open the open court, just like OG but with less efficiency and he’s one of the worst passing perimeter Players in the league.

So other than your Celtic bias, I still haven’t seen a very good argument.

[Patsfan1081]

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

Well I'm saying so far. If you want to make projections that's a different story.

Well thats the problem as most of these guys have played a lot more minutes then OG, if his per 36 stats transfer over with heavier minutes then I would agree. I would like to see OG have at least one or two breakout games befor putting him in the top five.

[Double Helix]

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

Well, speaking of BPM he's 3rd among rookies who've played 300 minutes or more:
http://bkref.com/tiny/OQnOE

And despite being asked to check the opposition's best scorers while out on the court he's 9th in DBPM.
http://bkref.com/tiny/EeQjp

Heck, even PER, which tends to favor offensive players puts him 7th among rookies:
http://bkref.com/tiny/5v7ZC

Among rookies who are 20 years or younger since 1984 his BPM ranks 8th overall for rookies who've played 300 min or more. If he hadn't been hyped for being able to do exactly this kind of thing there would be reason for concern but he was considered by some a top 5 prospect prior to injury and was considered an elite 3&D prospect so everything we're seeing is checking out.
http://bkref.com/tiny/XswDq

[Yuri Vaultin]

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

His low rebound totals are the reason for his negative BPM, eye test says he's ridiculously good already. He's easily the best defender of this draft class and it's not particularly close.

Umm.... Jonathan Isaac says hi.

[Patsfan1081]

I like how you threw this in there at the end of your rant.

Perhaps you can explain why you think it’s such a ridiculous comparison?

I said it was silly not ridiculous, like most comparisons. Despite OG's injuries he was still a sophomore coming out, he was considered more polished, especially on the defensive end, while Brown was considered more raw. However Brown showed signs of being able to create his own offense which OG lacked. The biggest difference between the two though is Brown has a high motor and OG's was questioned, he was critiqued for taking plays off in college. Those are just the differences I see though, I consider the comp silly because the two are almost the same age, it's not like either is close to a finished product so I really don't see the point.

OG this season is the exact same age as Jaylen last season. And he’s posting better rookie numbers for a similar level team. He plays hard with a high motor every time he’s on the court so I’m not sure that’s accurate and I don’t see Brown’s ability to create his own offense. He scores off the ball in the half court and on the fast break open the open court, just like OG but with less efficiency and he’s one of the worst passing perimeter Players in the league.

So other than your Celtic bias, I still haven’t seen a very good argument.

OG's motor was questionable in college, any draft analysis will say it. I can't attest to so far in the NBA. We're talking about a tiny sample as a pro for OG so you kind of have to look at their college careers also. Same with the stats, you're comparing a full rookie season to a dozen games, team construction also heavilly effects advanced statistics like rpm and bpm. As for being able to create, OG is assisted on a much higher % of shots if you compare their college careers and even rookie seasons. While both don't have very good handles Brown has shown an ability to post up and has developed a step back which I haven't seen from OG. OG is better at finishing at the rim while Brown is better at attacking the rim and drawing contacting. I'm not attempting to establish which one will be a better pro, just that it doesn't make sense to compare the two, especiallynsince neither is close to a finish product.

[Patsfan1081]

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

His low rebound totals are the reason for his negative BPM, eye test says he's ridiculously good already. He's easily the best defender of this draft class and it's not particularly close.

Semi is a bad rebounder yet has a positive dbpm. But this is what I'm saying, how can you say he's far and away the best defensive player in this class off of such a small sample size? Especially with guys like Isaac, Bell, Mitchell, Ojelyle, etc...

[Patsfan1081]

Everyone after Kuzma on your list isn't better than him. His impact as a 3 and D guy whose a freak athlete (he's starting to get it back after his injury) while having a very high bbiq puts him in the top 5.

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

Well, speaking of BPM he's 3rd among rookies who've played 300 minutes or more:
http://bkref.com/tiny/OQnOE

And despite being asked to check the opposition's best scorers while out on the court he's 9th in DBPM.
http://bkref.com/tiny/EeQjp

Heck, even PER, which tends to favor offensive players puts him 7th among rookies:
http://bkref.com/tiny/5v7ZC

Among rookies who are 20 years or younger since 1984 his BPM ranks 8th overall for rookies who've played 300 min or more. If he hadn't been hyped for being able to do exactly this kind of thing there would be reason for concern but he was considered by some a top 5 prospect prior to injury and was considered an elite 3&D prospect so everything we're seeing is checking out.
http://bkref.com/tiny/XswDq

I'm not attempting to argue he isn't a good player, I'm just saying small sample size playing on a top five offense in the league. We overreacted to small sample sizes here all the time. While he was considered a very good college defender he was never considered a good shooter. I'm also pretty sure no one had him in the top five, I clearly remember him being considered a late lottery pick befor going down to injury.