Eli Manning BENCHED

Yoshun · Post #1 » by **Yoshun** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:17 am

An era may have come to an end for the Giants, Eli Manning has been benched, for Geno Smith....

It would be hard to make an argument for Eli's play this season, he hasn't played well, but he's the least of the Giants' problems.

No O-line
No running game
All 3 starting WRs hurt
Defense playing poorly
Poor coaching

I've never put Eli in the tier with guys like Brady, Rodgers and Brees, but this seems like scapegoating at it's finest. Geno Smith? What's the point of that?

Through all of this, Eli responded with class. I actually feel bad for the guy.

There's some serious issues in New York. It starts with the front office and coaching.

Otis Driftwood · Post #2 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:25 am

Geno Smith.

If Jerry Reese doesn’t get his ass canned over this then the Maras are idiots.

Post #3 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:10 pm

I'm not sure why Eli is a victim in this. He's older, he's not that good, he gets paid a lot, and doesn't make a ton of sense for franchise that's 2-9.

Otis Driftwood · Post #4 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:19 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I'm not sure why Eli is a victim in this. He's older, he's not that good, he gets paid a lot, and doesn't make a ton of sense for franchise that's 2-9.

Because... Geno Smith.

If it were Davis Webb getting run out there, then you could make a legitimate argument about "looking toward the future". Only future Geno Smith has is collecting NFLPA pension checks.

Post #5 » by **JaxMagic** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:36 pm

Should I preorder my Manning Jags jersey now or wait?

Otis Driftwood · Post #6 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:44 pm

Eli's stat sheet this season. He's completing 62.5% of his passes and has thrown 14 TDs with only 7 INTs.

The low TDs is an issue. But it's also understandable given the broken OL, lack of running game, and replacement level WRs.

And he's protecting the ball better than ever. IOW he ain't the problem.

Ben McAdoo is garbage. So is Jerry Reese.

Otis Driftwood · Post #7 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:46 pm

JaxMagic wrote:Should I preorder my Manning Jags jersey now or wait?

He would make your heroes a legitimate Super Bowl threat.

Post #8 » by **FNQ** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:47 pm

Called this week 1.. Giants have a perfect storm of bad personnel. OBJ was the only hope on offense, once he was done for the year, that was it. Immobile QB behind terrible OL = disaster.

Eli's still got a couple years left, but Giants need to embrace the quick rebuild so as not to waste the primes of OBJ, Collins, Engram, etc.. Jacksonville is the #1 trade target, but I get the feeling teams like Buffalo, Cincy, and Denver will all be in the running as well. Outside shot to Cardinals, but I feel like they wont pay much due to Gabbert showing out a bit. They can afford to draft a QB and wait on him

Post #9 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:17 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:Eli's stat sheet this season. He's completing 62.5% of his passes and has thrown 14 TDs with only 7 INTs.

The low TDs is an issue. But it's also understandable given the broken OL, lack of running game, and replacement level WRs.

And he's protecting the ball better than ever. IOW he ain't the problem.

Ben McAdoo is garbage. So is Jerry Reese.

He may not be the problem, but that doesn't make him part of the solution. He always been a pretty mediocre QB with the ability to get hot at the right time. With the him being 36 and the Giants so far away from contention, he really should move on.

Otis Driftwood · Post #10 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:22 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:Eli's stat sheet this season. He's completing 62.5% of his passes and has thrown 14 TDs with only 7 INTs.

The low TDs is an issue. But it's also understandable given the broken OL, lack of running game, and replacement level WRs.

And he's protecting the ball better than ever. IOW he ain't the problem.

Ben McAdoo is garbage. So is Jerry Reese.

He may not be the problem, but that doesn't make him part of the solution. He always been a pretty mediocre QB with the ability to get hot at the right time. With the him being 36 and the Giants so far away from contention, he really should move on.

So should McAdoo and Reese. They are responsible for this mess. McAdoo has lost the room and Reese hasn't had a good draft in years. He's lived off of those two rings way too long.

hermes · Post #11 » by **hermes** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 pm

poor elite manning, he deserves better than this

Yoshun · Post #12 » by **Yoshun** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:36 am

Worm Guts wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:Eli's stat sheet this season. He's completing 62.5% of his passes and has thrown 14 TDs with only 7 INTs.

The low TDs is an issue. But it's also understandable given the broken OL, lack of running game, and replacement level WRs.

And he's protecting the ball better than ever. IOW he ain't the problem.

Ben McAdoo is garbage. So is Jerry Reese.

He may not be the problem, but that doesn't make him part of the solution. He always been a pretty mediocre QB with the ability to get hot at the right time. With the him being 36 and the Giants so far away from contention, he really should move on.

Maybe he should move on, but why not let him finish the season? It would be different if the Giants had some young gun on the bench they wanted to get some game experience, but they don't. They benched him for Geno Smith. Other than making him the scapegoat, what does this accomplish?

Post #13 » by **FNQ** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:07 pm

Yoshun wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:Eli's stat sheet this season. He's completing 62.5% of his passes and has thrown 14 TDs with only 7 INTs.

The low TDs is an issue. But it's also understandable given the broken OL, lack of running game, and replacement level WRs.

And he's protecting the ball better than ever. IOW he ain't the problem.

Ben McAdoo is garbage. So is Jerry Reese.

He may not be the problem, but that doesn't make him part of the solution. He always been a pretty mediocre QB with the ability to get hot at the right time. With the him being 36 and the Giants so far away from contention, he really should move on.

Maybe he should move on, but why not let him finish the season? It would be different if the Giants had some young gun on the bench they wanted to get some game experience, but they don't. They benched him for Geno Smith. Other than making him the scapegoat, what does this accomplish?

Speculation is that its giving Davis Webb an extra week to prepare. No downside there. Giants arent trying to win here either. But I think the reason for this is simple:

- Giants are done with Manning
- Geno is unlikely to succeed, making it even easier to transition to Webb
- In the unlikely event Geno does succeed, he goes week to week the rest of the year and could become incumbent starter going into next season

My big issue here is Eli asking to be released. I get that he's frustrated and competitive, but he's also supposed to be a leader. That locker room is in shambles, and there is a rookie 3rd round pick who's likely going to need some help. So take your 20m salary, sack up, and be a positive influence in a locker room that seems to be devoid of them lately. And be a mentor to the rookie, kinda like Kurt Warner was for you.

Yoshun · Post #14 » by **Yoshun** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:43 pm

FNQ wrote:
Yoshun wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
He may not be the problem, but that doesn't make him part of the solution. He always been a pretty mediocre QB with the ability to get hot at the right time. With the him being 36 and the Giants so far away from contention, he really should move on.

Maybe he should move on, but why not let him finish the season? It would be different if the Giants had some young gun on the bench they wanted to get some game experience, but they don't. They benched him for Geno Smith. Other than making him the scapegoat, what does this accomplish?

Speculation is that its giving Davis Webb an extra week to prepare. No downside there. Giants arent trying to win here either. But I think the reason for this is simple:

- Giants are done with Manning
- Geno is unlikely to succeed, making it even easier to transition to Webb
- In the unlikely event Geno does succeed, he goes week to week the rest of the year and could become incumbent starter going into next season

My big issue here is Eli asking to be released. I get that he's frustrated and competitive, but he's also supposed to be a leader. That locker room is in shambles, and there is a rookie 3rd round pick who's likely going to need some help. So take your 20m salary, sack up, and be a positive influence in a locker room that seems to be devoid of them lately. And be a mentor to the rookie, kinda like Kurt Warner was for you.

I'm not sure why you play Geno instead of just playing Webb. I think people would have had a better feeling about this had Mcadoo said, "I want to try and give Webb some playing time to help him develop." Starting Geno just gives Webb less playing time. He's been preparing all season, presumably, why wait another week? What does that really give him? Basically, he's starting Geno because he believes he'll fail, making it easier to start Webb. That doesn't make sense to me. Either you're ready to get younger and move on from Manning or you're not. There's no reason to bench him for Geno, that's not the right move. We know what Geno is, even if he's gets on a hot streak and plays like a god for the next 5 games, we know that's just a hot streak. He's not the future of anything, he's a solid backup.

As far as Eli asking for a release, was there a report about him asking to be released? In the interview he had he stated he would help Geno and/or Webb prepare the best he could. This is what he said in the interview:

"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and [third string quarterback Davis Webb] are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won’t finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."

http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/11/new-york-giants-bench-eli-manning-for-geno-smith

That's a pretty classy response.

Post #15 » by **FNQ** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:49 pm

Yoshun wrote:
I'm not sure why you play Geno instead of just playing Webb. I think people would have had a better feeling about this had Mcadoo said, "I want to try and give Webb some playing time to help him develop." Starting Geno just gives Webb less playing time. He's been preparing all season, presumably, why wait another week? What does that really give him? Basically, he's starting Geno because he believes he'll fail, making it easier to start Webb. That doesn't make sense to me. Either you're ready to get younger and move on from Manning or you're not. There's no reason to bench him for Geno, that's not the right move. We know what Geno is, even if he's gets on a hot streak and plays like a god for the next 5 games, we know that's just a hot streak. He's not the future of anything, he's a solid backup.

Solid backups have become solid starters over time. Not that they think that, but giving Webb 2 weeks to prepare for his 1st start > giving him 1 week.

As far as Eli asking for a release, was there a report about him asking to be released? In the interview he had he stated he would help Geno and/or Webb prepare the best he could. This is what he said in the interview:

"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and [third string quarterback Davis Webb] are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won’t finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."

http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/11/new-york-giants-bench-eli-manning-for-geno-smith

That's a pretty classy response.

Sorry about that, it was actually from a bogus Adam Schefter account that got retweeted a bunch. Eli didnt request his release

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Celtsfan1980 · Post #16 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 4:57 pm

Has the word tanking been mentioned yet?

Otis Driftwood · Post #17 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Mon Dec 4, 2017 4:47 pm

Ben McAdoo fired.

Jerry Reese - you're next.

Otis Driftwood · Post #18 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Mon Dec 4, 2017 4:49 pm

Like I said...

https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/giants-fire-ben-mcadoo/

Giants Fire Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese

Yoshun · Post #19 » by **Yoshun** » Mon Dec 4, 2017 7:58 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:Like I said...

https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/giants-fire-ben-mcadoo/

Giants Fire Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese

And Eli has been reinstated as the starter for week 14 (as per reports).

Streak ruined for no reason....

Otis Driftwood · Post #20 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Mon Dec 4, 2017 8:57 pm

Yoshun wrote:
Otis Driftwood wrote:Like I said...

https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/giants-fire-ben-mcadoo/

Giants Fire Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese

And Eli has been reinstated as the starter for week 14 (as per reports).

Streak ruined for no reason....

Mara says he could have overruled it and the Eli decision had nothing to do with the firing. I'm calling bulsh on the first point (I believe he was part of that) but I tend to agree with the second point. Nothing to be gained by keeping either the Coach or GM.