Alex Len

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Alexia is gone. No one ever signed their QO and came back with the team.
We're showcasing him for other teams lol

I guess this is good for PR purposes.

Most teams would need to complete a S&T with us in order to sign him. We'll have one heckuva trade exception as a result.

Not shocked that Alex would want to go elsewhere. I'm sure he wants a fresh start. On the other hand, if the teams with cap space can't offer him a better deal and we come to the table with the top offer... does he really say no to that?

Do fans remember what it was like not to have a rebounding/shot-blocking presence on this roster? That is of course a legacy problem for this franchise.

Can we do better than Alex in the draft? Maybe. Can we do better than Alex in free agency? For the money... maybe not!

[bwgood77]

Alexia is gone. No one ever signed their QO and came back with the team.
We're showcasing him for other teams lol

I guess this is good for PR purposes.

Most teams would need to complete a S&T with us in order to sign him. We'll have one heckuva trade exception as a result.

Not shocked that Alex would want to go elsewhere. I'm sure he wants a fresh start. On the other hand, if the teams with cap space can't offer him a better deal and we come to the table with the top offer... does he really say no to that?

Do fans remember what it was like not to have a rebounding/shot-blocking presence on this roster? That is of course a legacy problem for this franchise.

Can we do better than Alex in the draft? Maybe. Can we do better than Alex in free agency? For the money... maybe not!

How much do you expect him to get paid? Last summer the centers got low deals and it's been mentioned that this summer will be the most depressed market we've seen.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm sure Alex would like to go elsewhere but its probably not a foregone conclusion he wouldn't be back. For one who ever offers him the most money will probably get his services so if the Suns chose to go that route then they would have a good shot. Secondly there's a pretty good chance the suns will have at a minimum a new coach next year and maybe a whole new regime so any issues Alex has with the current people in charge could change in a hurry if that new staff believes in him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Alexia is gone. No one ever signed their QO and came back with the team.
We're showcasing him for other teams lol

I guess this is good for PR purposes.

Most teams would need to complete a S&T with us in order to sign him. We'll have one heckuva trade exception as a result.

Not shocked that Alex would want to go elsewhere. I'm sure he wants a fresh start. On the other hand, if the teams with cap space can't offer him a better deal and we come to the table with the top offer... does he really say no to that?

Do fans remember what it was like not to have a rebounding/shot-blocking presence on this roster? That is of course a legacy problem for this franchise.

Can we do better than Alex in the draft? Maybe. Can we do better than Alex in free agency? For the money... maybe not!

How much do you expect him to get paid? Last summer the centers got low deals and it's been mentioned that this summer will be the most depressed market we've seen.

That's hard to know, but I think Len will be close to the top of the FA market for centers - way ahead of Noel, Okafor and Monroe, ahead of Favors, Lopez and Nogueira, a bit behind Nurkic (RFA) and behind Jordan. I also think we should see some recovery in the center market given Drummond's resurgence and the effect that's had on the Pistons, as well as the effectiveness of Cousins and Embiid.

The Warriors and Rockets' success is more about the singular talents of Curry and Harden than the natural evolution of the game. We've had a lack of talent at the 5 leaguewide, essentially since Shaq's retirement. That won't last forever. Teams will still need bigs. And if I'm thinking about having to go up against Embiid in the playoffs year after year, there are few players I'd rather match up with him than Alex Len.

[bwgood77]

Most teams would need to complete a S&T with us in order to sign him. We'll have one heckuva trade exception as a result.

Not shocked that Alex would want to go elsewhere. I'm sure he wants a fresh start. On the other hand, if the teams with cap space can't offer him a better deal and we come to the table with the top offer... does he really say no to that?

Do fans remember what it was like not to have a rebounding/shot-blocking presence on this roster? That is of course a legacy problem for this franchise.

Can we do better than Alex in the draft? Maybe. Can we do better than Alex in free agency? For the money... maybe not!

How much do you expect him to get paid? Last summer the centers got low deals and it's been mentioned that this summer will be the most depressed market we've seen.

That's hard to know, but I think Len will be close to the top of the FA market for centers - way ahead of Noel, Okafor and Monroe, ahead of Favors, Lopez and Nogueira, a bit behind Nurkic (RFA) and behind Jordan. I also think we should see some recovery in the center market given Drummond's resurgence and the effect that's had on the Pistons, as well as the effectiveness of Cousins and Embiid.

The Warriors and Rockets' success is more about the singular talents of Curry and Harden than the natural evolution of the game. We've had a lack of talent at the 5 leaguewide, essentially since Shaq's retirement. That won't last forever. Teams will still need bigs. And if I'm thinking about having to go up against Embiid in the playoffs year after year, there are few players I'd rather match up with him than Alex Len.

Wow, I'm surprised you think he'll be ahead of pretty much every one of those guys. But I guess given his age, rebounding, shot blocking, decent D and attitude you could pick out various factors that could place him ahead of some of those guys for one reason or another.

[lilfishi22]

Dude, Alex is trying to get paid. Question is, is he trying to stay here or showcase to go somewhere else because we did not give him the answer he wanted this past off-season. I have to say he is impressing me lately, seemingly he can now catch most of the time and he is finishing through contact much better. Two things he seemingly just could not do before. Good job ALEX!!

He'll go to who can pay him a decent amount and also give him minutes. I don't think he'll come back if he's still be battling it out for minutes with Chandler and Sauce. If he was paid less to be the first big off the bench with consistent minutes, I think he'll go to whichever team can offer him that.

I'm not opposed to his return, I think he's a solid rebounding big with OK but inconsistent defense off the bench but he's fairly limited outside of that.

[lilfishi22]

How much do you expect him to get paid? Last summer the centers got low deals and it's been mentioned that this summer will be the most depressed market we've seen.

That's hard to know, but I think Len will be close to the top of the FA market for centers - way ahead of Noel, Okafor and Monroe, ahead of Favors, Lopez and Nogueira, a bit behind Nurkic (RFA) and behind Jordan. I also think we should see some recovery in the center market given Drummond's resurgence and the effect that's had on the Pistons, as well as the effectiveness of Cousins and Embiid.

The Warriors and Rockets' success is more about the singular talents of Curry and Harden than the natural evolution of the game. We've had a lack of talent at the 5 leaguewide, essentially since Shaq's retirement. That won't last forever. Teams will still need bigs. And if I'm thinking about having to go up against Embiid in the playoffs year after year, there are few players I'd rather match up with him than Alex Len.

Wow, I'm surprised you think he'll be ahead of pretty much every one of those guys. But I guess given his age, rebounding, shot blocking, decent D and attitude you could pick out various factors that could place him ahead of some of those guys for one reason or another.

Yeah I don't know I agree he's ahead of those guys.

[lilfishi22]

How much do you expect him to get paid? Last summer the centers got low deals and it's been mentioned that this summer will be the most depressed market we've seen.

That's hard to know, but I think Len will be close to the top of the FA market for centers - way ahead of Noel, Okafor and Monroe, ahead of Favors, Lopez and Nogueira, a bit behind Nurkic (RFA) and behind Jordan. I also think we should see some recovery in the center market given Drummond's resurgence and the effect that's had on the Pistons, as well as the effectiveness of Cousins and Embiid.

The Warriors and Rockets' success is more about the singular talents of Curry and Harden than the natural evolution of the game. We've had a lack of talent at the 5 leaguewide, essentially since Shaq's retirement. That won't last forever. Teams will still need bigs. And if I'm thinking about having to go up against Embiid in the playoffs year after year, there are few players I'd rather match up with him than Alex Len.

Wow, I'm surprised you think he'll be ahead of pretty much every one of those guys. But I guess given his age, rebounding, shot blocking, decent D and attitude you could pick out various factors that could place him ahead of some of those guys for one reason or another.

Yeah I don't know I agree he's ahead of those guys.

[bwgood77]

Really he might be be the fifth best center behind

Monroe
Chandler
Williams
Bender

Boy, you need to see the doctor urgently. You are delirious in every message.

No need for personal attacks.

[bigfoot]

I think this about does it for me with Len. That block pretty much sums up how he has progressed as a basketball player on this team.

I've been very supportive of him in previous seasons, preaching patience and advocating a DeAndre Jordan sort of approach to bringing him along (in terms of patience and his game). But for whatever reason, it's just not working out. He's now the 3rd best center on our team with the arrival of Monroe. Honestly the 4th best if Dragan ever slides over to 5 in some lineups.

I've tried to stay on the train, but since he's not signed to a deal and is expiring after this year, I don't see the point in staying a believer in him because he hasn't shown really anything. If he does achieve success, in all likelihood it won't be with us.

Really he might be be the fifth best center behind

Monroe
Chandler
Williams
Bender

Boy, you need to see the doctor urgently. You are delirious in every message.

I would suggest you take some time to read the Detroit game thread and see how many fans are down on Len. It's very obvious he is not a starting caliber C and barely functions as a bench C. Offensively he is a mess. He has one great game and then three or four bad games. Typical for his tenure as a Suns player.

[Wrecker]

Really he might be be the fifth best center behind

Monroe
Chandler
Williams
Bender

Boy, you need to see the doctor urgently. You are delirious in every message.

I would suggest you take some time to read the Detroit game thread and see how many fans are down on Len. It's very obvious he is not a starting caliber C and barely functions as a bench C. Offensively he is a mess. He has one great game and then three or four bad games. Typical for his tenure as a Suns player.

Of course Len is not an elite center. He has brick hands and a disgusting average throw. He is unstable. At the same time from the excellent earns fouls and clogs them with a good percentage. He works very well in defense and in rebounds. His main problem is that in the NBA he always had garbage coaches who prefer a small ball and for 4 years did not come up with any combination in the attack. Also, despite the fact that his average performance was always higher than Plumley and Chandler, he was not trusted with a place in the starting five and put on the bench after one or two unsuccessful actions, which left a negative imprint on the confidence of the young player. And even despite all this, to say that Bender is better than Len at the center's position can only be completely inadequate person.
I am generally surprised by the fans of the Suns (perhaps this is a feature of American fans) - so much sh*t pouring on the players of their team ... For me, as for a European living in Asia - it looks absolutely wild. Almost every player that Suns fans mixed with sh*t in their new teams became much better - Thomas, Bledsoe, the brothers Morris, Toliver, Plumley, Tucker, Dragic...
This proves only that in Phoenix, money is paid to trash coaches, and the fans of this team are so stupid that they can not understand this, taking out their anger on young players. I hope that Len will replace the team and get a place in the starting five (or huge minutes from the bench), and Sans, along with idiot fans, will continue to save money on coaches, keep young players on the bench, letting veterans play in tanking seasons and remain the worst West team. Sorry for my bad english

[lilfishi22]

Boy, you need to see the doctor urgently. You are delirious in every message.

I would suggest you take some time to read the Detroit game thread and see how many fans are down on Len. It's very obvious he is not a starting caliber C and barely functions as a bench C. Offensively he is a mess. He has one great game and then three or four bad games. Typical for his tenure as a Suns player.

Of course Len is not an elite center. He has brick hands and a disgusting average throw. He is unstable. At the same time from the excellent earns fouls and clogs them with a good percentage. He works very well in defense and in rebounds. His main problem is that in the NBA he always had garbage coaches who prefer a small ball and for 4 years did not come up with any combination in the attack. Also, despite the fact that his average performance was always higher than Plumley and Chandler, he was not trusted with a place in the starting five and put on the bench after one or two unsuccessful actions, which left a negative imprint on the confidence of the young player. And even despite all this, to say that Bender is better than Len at the center's position can only be completely inadequate person.
I am generally surprised by the fans of the Suns (perhaps this is a feature of American fans) - so much sh*t pouring on the players of their team ... For me, as for a European living in Asia - it looks absolutely wild. Almost every player that Suns fans mixed with sh*t in their new teams became much better - Thomas, Bledsoe, the brothers Morris, Toliver, Plumley, Tucker, Dragic...
This proves only that in Phoenix, money is paid to trash coaches, and the fans of this team are so stupid that they can not understand this, taking out their anger on young players. I hope that Len will replace the team and get a place in the starting five (or huge minutes from the bench), and Sans, along with idiot fans, will continue to save money on coaches, keep young players on the bench, letting veterans play in tanking seasons and remain the worst West team. Sorry for my bad english

I'm not an American fan and I think I understand about 98% of what you're trying to say. His issue isn't that he's had garbage coaches. It's that his best skillset and very evident flaws are heading in the completely different direction to what a modern NBA C looks like. The reason why Bender is arguably better suited as a C in today's NBA is because he has range, can comfortably switch on PnR defense, he's got above average passing for a big man and he's got a high BBall IQ. The NBA game has moved on from those big lumbering 7 footers of yesteryear.

5 years ago, today's Len would still fit well in most NBA teams but 7 footers with average quickness, stones for hands and an inability to generate their own offense either through passing or scoring on their own, they are a dying breed and for good reason. Also if you recall, McD and Hornacek were both of the same mindset of developing Len's range and offensive skills early on in his career to better suit the rapidly evolving NBA offense which favors a much fast pace. Len failed in both regards. He never found an consistency in his shooting, his finishing abilities and his passing.

I agree with you regarding our coaching hires, it's not been very good or consistent but Len's issue aren't due to coaching or player development, he's just not that good and he's had 4 seasons to prove otherwise

Also, criticise ideas and posts but don't attack fans with blanket statements like "fans of this team are so stupid" or name calling. That's against the rules.

[darealjuice]

Boy, you need to see the doctor urgently. You are delirious in every message.

I would suggest you take some time to read the Detroit game thread and see how many fans are down on Len. It's very obvious he is not a starting caliber C and barely functions as a bench C. Offensively he is a mess. He has one great game and then three or four bad games. Typical for his tenure as a Suns player.

Of course Len is not an elite center. He has brick hands and a disgusting average throw. He is unstable. At the same time from the excellent earns fouls and clogs them with a good percentage. He works very well in defense and in rebounds. His main problem is that in the NBA he always had garbage coaches who prefer a small ball and for 4 years did not come up with any combination in the attack. Also, despite the fact that his average performance was always higher than Plumley and Chandler, he was not trusted with a place in the starting five and put on the bench after one or two unsuccessful actions, which left a negative imprint on the confidence of the young player. And even despite all this, to say that Bender is better than Len at the center's position can only be completely inadequate person.
I am generally surprised by the fans of the Suns (perhaps this is a feature of American fans) - so much sh*t pouring on the players of their team ... For me, as for a European living in Asia - it looks absolutely wild. Almost every player that Suns fans mixed with sh*t in their new teams became much better - Thomas, Bledsoe, the brothers Morris, Toliver, Plumley, Tucker, Dragic...
This proves only that in Phoenix, money is paid to trash coaches, and the fans of this team are so stupid that they can not understand this, taking out their anger on young players. I hope that Len will replace the team and get a place in the starting five (or huge minutes from the bench), and Sans, along with idiot fans, will continue to save money on coaches, keep young players on the bench, letting veterans play in tanking seasons and remain the worst West team. Sorry for my bad english

It's pretty funny you mention all of these guys like they prove your point, when IT is the only one of them that really improved after leaving. What has Bledsoe done in Milwuakee to even mention him? What have either of the Morris brothers done anywhere? Who even cares what Tolliver (lol) and Plumlee (lol) have done since leaving Phoenix (spoiler alert: it was nothing before or after Phoenix)? Did Dragic not have his only All NBA season in Phoenix or did I miss something? It's interesting how you call everyone else idiot fans when you appear to have no clue what you're talking about.

[RaisingArizona]

I would suggest you take some time to read the Detroit game thread and see how many fans are down on Len. It's very obvious he is not a starting caliber C and barely functions as a bench C. Offensively he is a mess. He has one great game and then three or four bad games. Typical for his tenure as a Suns player.

Of course Len is not an elite center. He has brick hands and a disgusting average throw. He is unstable. At the same time from the excellent earns fouls and clogs them with a good percentage. He works very well in defense and in rebounds. His main problem is that in the NBA he always had garbage coaches who prefer a small ball and for 4 years did not come up with any combination in the attack. Also, despite the fact that his average performance was always higher than Plumley and Chandler, he was not trusted with a place in the starting five and put on the bench after one or two unsuccessful actions, which left a negative imprint on the confidence of the young player. And even despite all this, to say that Bender is better than Len at the center's position can only be completely inadequate person.
I am generally surprised by the fans of the Suns (perhaps this is a feature of American fans) - so much sh*t pouring on the players of their team ... For me, as for a European living in Asia - it looks absolutely wild. Almost every player that Suns fans mixed with sh*t in their new teams became much better - Thomas, Bledsoe, the brothers Morris, Toliver, Plumley, Tucker, Dragic...
This proves only that in Phoenix, money is paid to trash coaches, and the fans of this team are so stupid that they can not understand this, taking out their anger on young players. I hope that Len will replace the team and get a place in the starting five (or huge minutes from the bench), and Sans, along with idiot fans, will continue to save money on coaches, keep young players on the bench, letting veterans play in tanking seasons and remain the worst West team. Sorry for my bad english

It's pretty funny you mention all of these guys like they prove your point, when IT is the only one of them that really improved after leaving. What has Bledsoe done in Milwuakee to even mention him? What have either of the Morris brothers done anywhere? Who even cares what Tolliver (lol) and Plumlee (lol) have done since leaving Phoenix (spoiler alert: it was nothing before or after Phoenix)? Did Dragic not have his only All NBA season in Phoenix or did I miss something? It's interesting how you call everyone else idiot fans when you appear to have no clue what you're talking about.

I almost posted the same thing about 3 times but I was sure that guy is trolling.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Small ball being mentioned is intersting because if len could only finish a little better he's be the perfect guy to punish an opponent for going small. He moves his feet well enough to at least not embarrass himself against small ball 5s defensively so if he was a guy who could catch and finish consistently you could keep going to him in the post to run that small ball 5 off the floor.

This is the general premise to why so many teams go small and it works. There just aren't enough skilled bigs in the league to punish that team for playing a little guy at the 5.

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[thamadkant]

Small ball being mentioned is intersting because if len could only finish a little better he's be the perfect guy to punish an opponent for going small. He moves his feet well enough to at least not embarrass himself against small ball 5s defensively so if he was a guy who could catch and finish consistently you could keep going to him in the post to run that small ball 5 off the floor.

This is the general premise to why so many teams go small and it works. There just aren't enough skilled bigs in the league to punish that team for playing a little guy at the 5.

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Len is too uncoordinated offensively to be a handy big man in small ball... 7'1 and good athleticism and wide body does not surprise me he can rebound... but I cringe every time he gets the ball down low... he is so easy to stop, because he dribbles high, he keeps the ball low and sticks his arms out... and stone hands...


Steven Adams is limited offensively, but soft touch and SMART offensively goes a LONG LONG way... he's so much more effective than Len. Steven Adams is a young Gortat pretty much.

[sasquatchBob]

Athletic, but super uncoordinated. Is that even possible to fix?

[Mulhollanddrive]

No he is what he is.

But this season he is getting alot of FTs and O-Rebs combined with less turnovers which has elevated him to an elite 118 O-Rating even though he shoots 48%.

If he had been paid $50m over 5 everyone would be mentioning all the improvements he's made.

[bwgood77]

No he is what he is.

But this season he is getting alot of FTs and O-Rebs combined with less turnovers which has elevated him to an elite 118 O-Rating even though he shoots 48%.

If he had been paid $50m over 5 everyone would be mentioning all the improvements he's made.

I think if he got that kind of contract people would be more critical of his play.

[thamadkant]

If Len got paid 50 for 5, it'll be another albatross of a contract Suns would have.