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How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta?

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How much is it worth to keep Timothy Hardaway in a Hawks uniform?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Keep him at all costs
38
48%
Re-sign him only at a reasonable deal
22
28%
Trade him now
2
3%
I'm willing to let him walk away if it comes to it
18
23%
 
Total votes: 80

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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#201 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:28 pm

Sultanofatl wrote:so THJ held a presser on his own? lol



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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#202 » by MaceCase » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:37 pm

When you inherit a billion dollar enterprise from your father there's little accountability. Dolan can't be ousted either because the Knicks are very profitable and he owns Madison Square Garden in addition to the Knicks.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#203 » by kg01 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:37 pm

MaceCase wrote:When you inherit a billion dollar enterprise from your father there's little accountability. Dolan can't be ousted either because the Knicks are very profitable and he owns Madison Square Garden in addition to the Knicks.


Just the latest in a long line o' n'easterner dbags, amirite? :wink:
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Post#204 » by MaceCase » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:10 pm

kg01 wrote:
MaceCase wrote:When you inherit a billion dollar enterprise from your father there's little accountability. Dolan can't be ousted either because the Knicks are very profitable and he owns Madison Square Garden in addition to the Knicks.


Just the latest in a long line o' n'easterner dbags, amirite? :wink:

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Post#205 » by kg01 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:46 pm

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kg01 wrote:
MaceCase wrote:When you inherit a billion dollar enterprise from your father there's little accountability. Dolan can't be ousted either because the Knicks are very profitable and he owns Madison Square Garden in addition to the Knicks.


Just the latest in a long line o' n'easterner dbags, amirite? :wink:

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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#206 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:41 pm

RealGM Wiretap wrote:Knicks Feared Hawks Would Match Tim Hardaway Jr.'s Offer Sheet

The New York Knicks signed Tim Hardaway Jr. to a four-year, $71 million offer sheet in restricted free agency that they thought the Atlanta Hawks might match. The contract was largely considered excessive when it was announced in July.

“There was that concern,” Jeff Hornacek said of the potential the Hawks would make a matching offer. "There was concern Atlanta might match it. When they didn’t, we were very happy.”

Hardaway’s scoring average is up to 18.4 points per game, while also averaging 4.5 rebounds and 3.3 assists per game.
The Knicks like having Hardaway and Courtney Lee on the wings.

“They’re both two-way players,” Hornacek said. “In Atlanta, they forced him to play defense. He’s doing a great job of that. Both guys feel comfortable. Tim at the 3 is undersized, but those two guys give us weapons on both sides of the floor.’’
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Tim Hardaway Jr. Plays His Way Into Optimism

Tim Hardaway Jr. may have pulled off the most impressive feat of all by making the four-year, $71 million contract he signed last summer look like anything other than a complete disaster. It took that kind of offer to pry Hardaway from the Hawks out of restricted free agency, but it was fair to wonder if the Knicks could really afford him.

His offer was predicated on momentum—that the progress made in his two years in Atlanta was the start of something rather than the culmination.

Hawks head coach Mike Budenholzer had demanded accountability. He traded a first-round pick for Hardaway in 2015 while serving as team president, but didn't even play him until certain bad habits were weeded out. For two months, Hardaway worked and waited. When he finally did join the rotation, Hardaway approached the game differently—as if he were suddenly made aware that he had four teammates with whom he could pass, cut, and screen. The Hawks owe much of their recent success to the way they've polished role players; Paul Millsap, Kyle Korver, and DeMarre Carroll all found themselves in Atlanta. Hardaway did, too, albeit through completely different means.

Last season, Hardaway became a net-positive player for the first time in his career.
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Post#207 » by macd-gm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:54 pm

Nice that we can develop these guys for other teams. Hopefully we'll start keeping them.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#208 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pm

macd-gm wrote:Nice that we can develop these guys for other teams. Hopefully we'll start keeping them.



Or even just get value when they depart...

If we develop T Prince into an above avg starter, get years of high level production from him at the SF spot and then trade him prior to doling out a massive contract he can't live up to...i'll consider it a victory.

We can call it the 'Jeff Teague protocol'.
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Post#209 » by LamarHampton » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:35 am

Man there just seems to be all sorts of weirdness bordering on stupidity around Tim Hardaway Jr. That the Hawks made the trade that they did to get him was really odd. Then him going back to the Knicks just 2 yrs later for crazy money given his streakiness and overall production also weird. And then throw in that there was apparently some genuine concern he would get matched when we already were pretty locked down with Baze's bad deal, still weird. Maybe I'm the only one that see it that way, but can't find all that as the basis for a little head scratching. Anyway, Timmy, go ahead on making ends and crushing tail or whatnot. Good for you. Glad the Knicks are happy to have you because I'm sure happy you're not here. Now that's what I call a win-win.
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Post#210 » by macd-gm » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:43 pm

LamarHampton wrote:Man there just seems to be all sorts of weirdness bordering on stupidity around Tim Hardaway Jr. That the Hawks made the trade that they did to get him was really odd. Then him going back to the Knicks just 2 yrs later for crazy money given his streakiness and overall production also weird. And then throw in that there was apparently some genuine concern he would get matched when we already were pretty locked down with Baze's bad deal, still weird. Maybe I'm the only one that see it that way, but can't find all that as the basis for a little head scratching. Anyway, Timmy, go ahead on making ends and crushing tail or whatnot. Good for you. Glad the Knicks are happy to have you because I'm sure happy you're not here. Now that's what I call a win-win.


We gave up a first round pick for the privilege of teaching Tim how to play basketball. That wasn't very good. I agree that i think his inconsistency will continue to be a problem but wouldn't you rather have Tim than Baze?
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Post#211 » by LamarHampton » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:36 am

^maybe, Heck probably. Since Baze was signed earlier I have never really seen that as an alternative but I get your drift. I appreciate the Baze Gaze and his hard work and general positive outlook and all that, but when I see Baze start driving for the hole with that wild look in his eye about midway through the 4th quarter, I know the wheels are about to fall off.dude just pushes too hard or something. So, yes. Tim over Baze. But that ship sailed and was never an option. Good luck to Tim and the Timmy Shimmy.
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Post#212 » by xccelerate » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:47 am

Tim was basically unplayable in the playoffs both years. Baze can atleast defend.
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Post#213 » by jayu70 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:10 pm

xccelerate wrote:Tim was basically unplayable in the playoffs both years. Baze can atleast defend.

That my friend is true - the playoffs were are different animal.
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Post#214 » by ATL Boy » Fri Dec 1, 2017 5:18 am

A quarter season of good play does not make that contract Hardaway signed a good one. He's on a massive hot streak right now, we saw first hand that his peaks are very high. However, when he gets cold he gets really frigid.

The good play right now is also only hurting the Knicks in terms of the draft, not to mention the cap hit he brings.


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Post#215 » by nybluemeadow » Fri Dec 1, 2017 4:05 pm

THJ has been over paid, but i'm glad he has turned it around as of late. I still don't like the contract, but i'm hoping he can live up to in when the playoffs come around.
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Post#216 » by jayu70 » Fri Dec 1, 2017 4:58 pm

nybluemeadow wrote:THJ has been over paid, but i'm glad he has turned it around as of late. I still don't like the contract, but i'm hoping he can live up to in when the playoffs come around.

In his 2 playoffs in Atlanta he has been horrid, so hopefully the trend reverses for you guys.
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Re: How much is Hardaway Jr. worth to Atlanta? 

Post#217 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:49 pm

ATL Boy wrote:A quarter season of good play does not make that contract Hardaway signed a good one. He's on a massive hot streak right now, we saw first hand that his peaks are very high. However, when he gets cold he gets really frigid.

The good play right now is also only hurting the Knicks in terms of the draft, not to mention the cap hit he brings.


Indeed. 2 summers later, that front office is already regretting committing such a long deal to THJ.

Tim Hardaway Jr. still has a lot to live up to

A little more than a year ago, the New York Knicks signed Tim Hardaway Jr. to a four-year offer sheet with a maximum value of $71 million. From all but the most die-hard of Knicks fans, the deal was met with swift and brutal criticism.

Before the Hawks even allowed the three-day matching period to expire, reports surfaced that the team had planned to offer him, at most, $48 million over four years. Per a league source, no team other than the Knicks offered Hardaway more than that amount last summer.

After one season, concerns about underperforming relative to the contract have already come to bear...Hardaway would need to take sizable steps forward in order to live up to the value of his contract in any of the next three seasons.

Much has been made of the Knicks’ plan to clear enough salary cap space to hand out two max deals during the summer of 2019. In order to clear that space, Hardaway’s contract is one of three that has to be moved.

there’s also the question of whether Hardaway might have already been bypassed in the organizational hierarchy...2017 first-round pick, Frank Ntilikina seems like a much cleaner fit as a role player than Hardaway, who only provides value on the offensive end of the floor.

So, is there anything he can do to solidify his place in the team’s future plans? It somehow doesn’t seem all that likely...
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Post#218 » by graymule » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:58 pm

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Sometimes the Hawks does the right thing. Nice example.
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Post#219 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:14 pm

Tim Hardaway Jr. embracing being the Knicks’ No. 1 option

entering his sixth NBA season at the age of 26, the dawn of his prime, there is Tim Hardaway Jr., the No. 1 scoring option, the most proven offensive threat for the Knicks at a time when Kristaps Porzingis remains sidelined and Kevin Knox remains unbaptized and the direction of the franchise under new coach David Fizdale is toward the 2019 lottery before anywhere else.

Hardaway does not shirk the label of being the Knicks’ primary option on offense and the focal point of opposing defenses.

“I do see myself as that,” Hardaway said after practice Wednesday, a week before the regular season opens with a Madison Square Garden date against the Hawks, Hardaway’s former team.

Last season, the first of his second Knicks stint, Hardaway averaged 17.5 points on 15 shots per game, hitting 42.1 percent from the field and a career-low 31.7 percent from 3-point range.

It’s not enough for him to be known as a scorer, Hardaway said.

“I think it’s great. Same thing when I was in Atlanta: Coach [Mike] Budenholzer really emphasized [the defensive] end of the floor,” Hardaway said.
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