All Things Luka Doncic

XTraderXL · Post #2221 » by **XTraderXL** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 9:04 pm

His 3pt % would be 7% higher if you count out those half court threes at the end of quarters. I saw the stats somewhere this week, trying to find the link.

narcolepsy · Post #2222 » by **narcolepsy** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 9:51 pm

Is Campazzo stupid or wtf were those two fouls? Its a tie game, less than 2 min left, you're in bonus and he gives them 4 free throws, what the ****.

XTraderXL · Post #2223 » by **XTraderXL** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 9:56 pm

This loss is on Laso. Wtf is he thinking with his rotations? Terrible...

blazeyo · Post #2224 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 9:56 pm

I see a lot of concerning stuff with Doncic right now. If he cant take Pero Antic off the dribble then what does that say? I feel like switching is going to be effective against him.

Derento · Post #2225 » by **Derento** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 9:56 pm

Campazzo is so dumb.

Derento · Post #2226 » by **Derento** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:00 pm

blazeyo wrote:I see a lot of concerning stuff with Doncic right now. If he cant take Pero Antic off the dribble then what does that say? I feel like switching is going to be effective against him.

He's slow in short spaces. Over longer distance he can build some burst.
He has improve his off ball game & catch & go if teams just switch on him with an athletic big.

blazeyo · Post #2227 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:07 pm

Derento wrote:
blazeyo wrote:I see a lot of concerning stuff with Doncic right now. If he cant take Pero Antic off the dribble then what does that say? I feel like switching is going to be effective against him.

He's slow in short spaces. Over longer distance he can build some burst.
He has improve his off ball game & catch & go if teams just switch on him with an athletic big.

He is good enough in the open court and going downhill, but like you said, in the half court and in narrow spaces he just cant get by bigs quite comfortably and that scares me.
With the NBA trending towards positionless basketball, its kind of frightening.
He is also much less effective without the ball.

He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

On defense he has trouble with contesting the 3pt shot and sliding to block penetration. He gets blown by, but he is okay defending against triple threat.

All in all, I wouldnt wanna be a team picking 1st. Draft is scary as hell.

Don7 · Post #2228 » by **Don7** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:07 pm

He was punishing big mans with midrange jumpers.Sometimes he looks for foul too much on drives.

But he was only reason Madrid was in the game in first place.Laso has some rotation that nobody can explain.Injuries doesn't help.

Thespianoid · Post #2229 » by **Thespianoid** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:08 pm

Derento wrote:
blazeyo wrote:I see a lot of concerning stuff with Doncic right now. If he cant take Pero Antic off the dribble then what does that say? I feel like switching is going to be effective against him.

He's slow in short spaces. Over longer distance he can build some burst.
He has improve his off ball game & catch & go if teams just switch on him with an athletic big.

there are some X's/O's things to combat his lack of burst from a standstill in small spaces.

1. pull back farther to attack with a greater head start.
2. do the pass back (where you pass off to another player, immediately get it back for the quick attack off the catch). a lot of NBA teams do this vs switches
3. get him on the move into picks + DHO. Celtics + Spurs family (Sixers/Hawks/Nets) + Jazz offenses do a lot of this

also think Doncic will need to be better with change of pace/direction/hesitation. Stuff that keeps defenders guessing, right now he's fairly easy to defend in isolation. he shows it occasionally but doesn't always utilize it, like the quick between-the-legs stepback for a change of direction (something that shows great deceleration ability)

blazeyo wrote:He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

On defense he has trouble with contesting the 3pt shot and sliding to block penetration. He gets blown by, but he is okay defending against triple threat.

yeah he has gotten a bit lazy with the little things the past number of games. half-hearted contests, roaming on defense. Wouldn't read too much into it yet, with the amount of injuries Real has had they need Doncic to play as much as possible, and sometimes that means conserving a bit of energy on the defensive end. Hopefully when Real gets back to full strength he won't keep this up.

Derento · Post #2230 » by **Derento** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:10 pm

He's really good at drawing fouls teams are scared of him.
10 fouls drawn today.
Randolph is important for this RM team.
Teams how worry about him as a cutter & shooter which gives RM a bigger mismatch if the other team traps Doncic or switch.
Campazzo & Randle are pretty bad combined 4 PIR for the RM other ballhandlers.

Don7 · Post #2231 » by **Don7** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:10 pm

He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

He playes two,three games every week.(80 on the year)

With 30% USG you cant expect him to have the same intensity in every possession/game.

KD95 · Post #2232 » by **KD95** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:12 pm

He really needs to become better at the end of the game in clutch situations. I know he's only 18, has a huge responsibility leading the team and all that stuff, but I feel like he's consistently making mistakes during almost every close game they have.

It happened against Maccabi, Barcelona, to an extent against Panathinaikos last week, and now against Crvena as well. I know it's unfair to call him out for the 1 turnover at the end, when Carroll+Campazzo combined for 4 dumb fouls in like 1 minute before that, and because once again he was by far their best player overall, but I really feel like if he makes better decisions at the end of these games, they would have 1-2 less losses.

blazeyo · Post #2233 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:13 pm

Don7 wrote:He was punishing big mans with midrange jumpers.Sometimes he looks for foul too much on drives.

But he was only reason Madrid was in the game in first place.Laso has some rotation that nobody can explain.Injuries doesn't help.

This is a +EV in the Euroleague, but you don't punish bigs with midrange in the NBA. That's a shot teams in the NBA want you to take and it's a -EV.
My heart wants to go with Doncic, but my brain is telling me that he might really struggle. But then I tell myself how talented he is and that he is going to find ways to really be impactful.

I mean, this new era of basketball is kinda **** him right now. If teams are going to take his PnR ability, then what's his other elite trait?

blazeyo · Post #2234 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:15 pm

Don7 wrote:
He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

He playes two,three games every week.(80 on the year)

With 30% USG you cant expect him to have the same intensity in every possession/game.

He is going to play 3 games a week in the NBA so that's why I brought it up. With his physical "limitations" he is going to need to play with a bit more intensity than other players. Does somehow have Real's ORTG and DRTG with Doncic On/Off the court? their defense has been disastrous for some time now.

Derento · Post #2235 » by **Derento** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:16 pm

blazeyo wrote:
Derento wrote:
blazeyo wrote:I see a lot of concerning stuff with Doncic right now. If he cant take Pero Antic off the dribble then what does that say? I feel like switching is going to be effective against him.

He's slow in short spaces. Over longer distance he can build some burst.
He has improve his off ball game & catch & go if teams just switch on him with an athletic big.

He is good enough in the open court and going downhill, but like you said, in the half court and in narrow spaces he just cant get by bigs quite comfortably and that scares me.
With the NBA trending towards positionless basketball, its kind of frightening.
He is also much less effective without the ball.

He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

On defense he has trouble with contesting the 3pt shot and sliding to block penetration. He gets blown by, but he is okay defending against triple threat.

All in all, I wouldnt wanna be a team picking 1st. Draft is scary as hell.

He looked good bit quicker & energetic in EB IMO but I think season will take heavy toll on him since he has play like EL MVP ever game for RM to do well with the mass of injuries. I'm not really scared he is extremely skilled & smart & good at scoring drawing fouls.
Teams are building entire game plans to neutralize him right now & his old fears of scoring production & shot creation have settled. Next is perfecting his off ball game.

Don7 · Post #2236 » by **Don7** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:18 pm

I mean, this new era of basketball is kinda **** him right now. If teams are going to take his PnR ability, then what's his other elite trait?

Become elite shooter what he definitely can and that will open the court more for him.
That will determine how impactful he really can be.I believe he can.

btw hes facing constant switching now , it will help him to develop some new moves faster.
and he counter them good tonight,it was one possession vs Pero.

blazeyo · Post #2237 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:19 pm

Derento wrote:
blazeyo wrote:
Derento wrote:He's slow in short spaces. Over longer distance he can build some burst.
He has improve his off ball game & catch & go if teams just switch on him with an athletic big.

He is good enough in the open court and going downhill, but like you said, in the half court and in narrow spaces he just cant get by bigs quite comfortably and that scares me.
With the NBA trending towards positionless basketball, its kind of frightening.
He is also much less effective without the ball.

He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

On defense he has trouble with contesting the 3pt shot and sliding to block penetration. He gets blown by, but he is okay defending against triple threat.

All in all, I wouldnt wanna be a team picking 1st. Draft is scary as hell.

He looked good bit quicker & energetic in EB IMO but I think season will take heavy toll on him since he has play like EL MVP ever game for RM to do well with the mass of injuries. I'm not really scared he is extremely skilled & smart & good at scoring drawing fouls.
Teams are building entire game plans to neutralize him right now & his old fears of scoring production & shot creation have settled. Next is perfecting his off ball game.

He is getting superstar calls though. He is the Euroleague goldenboy and it even looks like they are trying to protect his stock in a way.
Get gets touch fouls that others don't get.

blazeyo · Post #2238 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:21 pm

Don7 wrote:
I mean, this new era of basketball is kinda **** him right now. If teams are going to take his PnR ability, then what's his other elite trait?

Become elite shooter what he definitely can and that will open the court more for him.
That will determine how impactful he really can be.I believe he can.

btw hes facing constant switching now , it will help him to develop some new moves faster.
and he counter them good tonight,it was one possession vs Pero.

He needs Randolph and Ayton in the worst way right now. On offense he needs Ayon PnR ability and Randolph shot and finishing ability and on Defense he really needs Randolph to cover for him.

Teams are trapping him and he has no one to pass to.

Derento · Post #2239 » by **Derento** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:21 pm

blazeyo wrote:
Don7 wrote:
He kinda looked lethargic out there on both ends, he doesnt close out on shooters and he doesnt crash the boards like he did at the start of the season.

He playes two,three games every week.(80 on the year)

With 30% USG you cant expect him to have the same intensity in every possession/game.

He is going to play 3 games a week in the NBA so that's why I brought it up. With his physical "limitations" he is going to need to play with a bit more intensity than other players. Does somehow have Real's ORTG and DRTG with Doncic On/Off the court? their defense has been disastrous for some time now.

Defense is better when he's on court.
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Eurobasket I think him & Vidmar has best On/Off for Slovenia

blazeyo · Post #2240 » by **blazeyo** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 10:24 pm

Derento wrote:
blazeyo wrote:
Don7 wrote:
He playes two,three games every week.(80 on the year)

With 30% USG you cant expect him to have the same intensity in every possession/game.

He is going to play 3 games a week in the NBA so that's why I brought it up. With his physical "limitations" he is going to need to play with a bit more intensity than other players. Does somehow have Real's ORTG and DRTG with Doncic On/Off the court? their defense has been disastrous for some time now.

Defense is better when he's on court.
Last year.

Read on Twitter

This Year

Read on Twitter

Eurobasket I think him & Vidmar has best On/Off for Slovenia

Thanks alot.

In Eurobasket it was obvious to me that he was one of their better defenders, but over the last few games he hasn't been the same on D. Wanted to see a smaller sample size, but that's good enough... thanks.

I think his On/Off look so good other than the fact that he is good is that Campazzo is a **** ass player and Randle is better off the ball.