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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1961 » by NavLDO » Sat Dec 2, 2017 1:59 pm

sunsbg wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Enough with the tanking. Winning games is not treadmilling. It's not all or nothing. There's steps you have to take to be a title contender and getting to the damn playoffs is the first one.


Tanking is only worthy when you end with Embiid and Simmons instead of Bender and Chriss. 76ers are now going after LeBron. Imagine them winning a title in the next 5 years.


Depends on how you look at it...

Bender and Chriss provided us 1171 Pts, 451 TRBs, 83 Assts, 77 Stls, and 92 Blks last year.

How many did Simmons provide last year? Oh, that's right...zero, zilch, nada.

Embiid was drafted in 2014, and since then, as provided Philly a whopping career 49 games, out of possible 266, or a little over 18%. In that same year, we drafted Warren, who's given us 176 games, and aside from a poor game last game, has been putting up some pretty spectacular numbers for a guy drafted 14th overall.

Simmons is a full year older than Chriss, and has likely 5 more years playing competitive basketball than Chriss, and Simmons is a full year and a half older than Bender. And yes, being able to draft 1st IS a huge advantage, but it can also be a curse in many cases (Bennett, Oden, Bargnani). And picking 2nd is even worse...Ingram, Russell, Parker (injuries), Derrick Williams, Thabeet, Beasley...

Anyway, don't discount Chriss and Bender quite yet. I still feel one of them should be used in a trade, but to use them as an example of how 'tanking' doesn't work isn't quite fair. I'd use any number of these 2nd overall picks from other teams...much better examples! :lol:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1962 » by NavLDO » Sat Dec 2, 2017 2:06 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Tanking is only worthy when you end with Embiid and Simmons instead of Bender and Chriss. 76ers are now going after LeBron. Imagine them winning a title in the next 5 years.


Hey, tanking got us Josh Jackson instead of Lonzo Ball. Sometimes it pays to be lucky! 8-)


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So far both have looked pretty bad. I hate to say it, but it's true.

Fultz hasn't even played.

Tatum has looked the best thus far.

Fox and Lauri have put up good numbers, but they are both on awful teams. Could be the Carter-Williams effect.

Right now though, it looks like we missed a chance to grab Tatum....


Tatum was ALWAYS thought to be the better offensive player; we took JJ for his defense.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1963 » by sunsbg » Sat Dec 2, 2017 2:14 pm

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sunsbg wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Enough with the tanking. Winning games is not treadmilling. It's not all or nothing. There's steps you have to take to be a title contender and getting to the damn playoffs is the first one.


Tanking is only worthy when you end with Embiid and Simmons instead of Bender and Chriss. 76ers are now going after LeBron. Imagine them winning a title in the next 5 years.


Depends on how you look at it...

Bender and Chriss provided us 1171 Pts, 451 TRBs, 83 Assts, 77 Stls, and 92 Blks last year.

How many did Simmons provide last year? Oh, that's right...zero, zilch, nada.

Embiid was drafted in 2014, and since then, as provided Philly a whopping career 49 games, out of possible 266, or a little over 18%. In that same year, we drafted Warren, who's given us 176 games, and aside from a poor game last game, has been putting up some pretty spectacular numbers for a guy drafted 14th overall.

Simmons is a full year older than Chriss, and has likely 5 more years playing competitive basketball than Chriss, and Simmons is a full year and a half older than Bender. And yes, being able to draft 1st IS a huge advantage, but it can also be a curse in many cases (Bennett, Oden, Bargnani). And picking 2nd is even worse...Ingram, Russell, Parker (injuries), Derrick Williams, Thabeet, Beasley...

Anyway, don't discount Chriss and Bender quite yet. I still feel one of them should be used in a trade, but to use them as an example of how 'tanking' doesn't work isn't quite fair. I'd use any number of these 2nd overall picks from other teams...much better examples! :lol:


All I'm saying is you need players to build around from the draft, not players you can trade for/sign as FAs in the future. Probably 80% of the people on this board will trade Bender + Chriss + Warren for any of Simmons/Embiid.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1964 » by NavLDO » Sat Dec 2, 2017 2:43 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:Also, the idea that Chriss or Bender are already proven to be the wrong players is crazy. Not many are legitimately good in the NBA at age 20. Many current stars were not even on the NBA radar at 20 because they were college role players (hello Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, etc.).

Getting the 1st pick and missing it sets you back no more than getting the 6th pick and missing it. Losing a lot with the primary reward of a pick obviously puts a lot of pressure on that pick, as does your star player's FA, etc.. But as a fan, I am not going to care or remember my team being the 6th or 7th worst team in the league relative to the worst. I will not remember those wins nor cherish them, and so give me the best odds to add a player around Booker that will allow the team to contend with other teams that have young stars. Those teams, guess what, got top picks multiple times, such as MN and Philly. We need an Ayton or Doncic or Bagley to pair with Booker and the rest of the crew. Winning now is so unbelievably stupid for this team given where the conference is and where this team is. I thought we finally dispelled those notions when we pulled out of the Paul Milsap sweepstakes. I guess I was wrong. Many here seem to want to pay vet players $35 mil a year to get that precious 8 seed.


Yeah, because what we need are MORE developmental types next to JJ, Chriss, or Bender. Yep, let's get Doncic so we can have a THIRD SF (on 2nd SG with Booker, if you feel he's a SG) with no PG, because that's what we need, right? Please tell me, what is your plan for that, exactly? How do you expect Booker, Doncic, Warren, and JJ to get their minutes, exactly?

(EDIT: And to be clear, before someone, or you, think I'm suggesting to take a lesser player if Doncic is the best player on the board, I'm not. What I AM suggesting is that is when McD either takes advantage of the situation by either trading down, out of the pick, and getting a nice haul in return...OR...decides her really likes Doncic, and trades JJ and or Warren (my 2nd least favorite option)...OR...he selects Doncic, waits for a team to select the player(s) he really likes, and approaches them about a trade. My LEAST favorite option, which he's chosen more often than not, is selecting the player, keeping him, and never doing anything with him, leaving us with redundancy until one or both players become disgruntled and leave us. His methods are not working well so far; he needs to change them.)

How about, we use the young up-and-comers we have to trade for a star or two. It doesn't have to be a $35M player. DeAndre is a $23M player, and if you saw my list of 25 other Centers in the league, well, he cannot reasonably command any higher than that at age 30 for his next contract, so he can accept $22M/per from us, or from someone else, but he sure as heck isn't getting much more than that his next contract.

We have Chriss, Bender, DJJ, JJ, Booker, Ulis, Reed, and Peters under the age of 23. Add in Warren, Sauce, and Len for the Under 25 group. That's 11 players under 25 (8 under 23). But hey, let's use the Miami pick and our pick, get TWO more young guys, so we can keep the same ratio (since Len and at least one other will be gone.)

OORRRR...we keep ONE pick (ours or Mia's), grab the best Center available (since that is what we really need) and use the other pick, Chriss OR Bender, the Mia 2021 pick, and the Mil 2020 pick, and one of Reed, Peters, DJJ, Ulis...and if absolutely necessary, JJ, to get a young (27ish or younger) either established or at least had an awesome 2017 season, PG, to fill out a roster that IS competitive:

Payton?? Dinwiddie?? / Booker / Warren / Bender / Bamba?? Williams??

Then we still have, maybe...

... Knight or Ulis?? / Knight or Reed?? / JJ or DJJ?? / Dudley / Sauce ...

At least that team can start competing toward an 8th seed. OMG, not the 8th seed you say...well, those that want to go from 14th to 1st are living a pipe dream; why can't we work our way up? Why is that so bad?? That is not a 'team' that will forever be relegated to an 8th seed, unless you think all tho young players are done developing.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1965 » by NavLDO » Sat Dec 2, 2017 4:08 pm

sunsbg wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Tanking is only worthy when you end with Embiid and Simmons instead of Bender and Chriss. 76ers are now going after LeBron. Imagine them winning a title in the next 5 years.


Depends on how you look at it...

Bender and Chriss provided us 1171 Pts, 451 TRBs, 83 Assts, 77 Stls, and 92 Blks last year.

How many did Simmons provide last year? Oh, that's right...zero, zilch, nada.

Embiid was drafted in 2014, and since then, as provided Philly a whopping career 49 games, out of possible 266, or a little over 18%. In that same year, we drafted Warren, who's given us 176 games, and aside from a poor game last game, has been putting up some pretty spectacular numbers for a guy drafted 14th overall.

Simmons is a full year older than Chriss, and has likely 5 more years playing competitive basketball than Chriss, and Simmons is a full year and a half older than Bender. And yes, being able to draft 1st IS a huge advantage, but it can also be a curse in many cases (Bennett, Oden, Bargnani). And picking 2nd is even worse...Ingram, Russell, Parker (injuries), Derrick Williams, Thabeet, Beasley...

Anyway, don't discount Chriss and Bender quite yet. I still feel one of them should be used in a trade, but to use them as an example of how 'tanking' doesn't work isn't quite fair. I'd use any number of these 2nd overall picks from other teams...much better examples! :lol:


All I'm saying is you need players to build around from the draft, not players you can trade for/sign as FAs in the future. Probably 80% of the people on this board will trade Bender + Chriss + Warren for any of Simmons/Embiid.


I think that number is a bit high, personally, but maybe you are right. But IMO, why would you trade a 18.4/5.8 SF under contract for an average of $12.5M for 4 years for a guy that is setting you back $29.3M per for the next 5 years, and that before this season, has played but 11.7% of available games.

Is Embiid the better player? Yeah, probably, but i'm still not sure I make that trade straight up, much less with Chriss and Bender attached.

Also, remember, that these guys are also playing with other top picks like Fultz, Saric, Stauskus, and Bayless. Each one being UNDER 30 and picked no later than 12th in the draft.

Our guys (Bender and Chriss...the original two discussed), are playing with a 13th and 14th overall picks, and a 35YO geriatric Center. But MOST importantly, is the fact that Simmons himself was the 1st overall pick, and has another, 1st overall pick in Fultz, as the Sixers' PGs for Embiid to play with. Bender and Chriss get either a 5'10", 34th overall pick PG, or an Undrafted PG, to lead them. BIG difference in development. Even last year, with Bledsoe, he was the 18th overall pick, and they didn't get the development time under himfor the last 16 games of the season. They are now playing under a new HC, as well.

(I intentionally left out Len and Okafor as off-setting)

Point being, you can't just look look at Simmons and Embiid in a vacuum and compare them to Bender and Chriss, and say "Their guys are awesome, our guys stink." There is a reason behind it, and as soon as we can get a real PG in here, (which again, I REALLY wish we would've traded for Kyrie...warts and all...even if it cost us JJ), then maybe they can start their true development.

IMO, until we get a no-kidding decent PG in here, and have our HC situation figured out permanently, I'm not even counting this time against them, because they literally have almost no guidance, and I'm pretty sure, they have no long-range development plan laid out for them, seeing that they are put in-pulled out seemingly at random, based upon our opponent, rather than using this time as an opportunity for them to develop. How can one possibly fairly 'rate' two 20YO extremely gifted/athletic, yet raw prospects based upon this situation they are in?? It's just not a fair r accurate representation of their abilities, IMO.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1966 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Dec 2, 2017 4:16 pm

Damkac wrote:
Hesh wrote:Yeah brogdon has now been made redundant after the bledsoe aquisition. They should've just traded him to us :banghead: and they desperately need a center which is why they are more than happy to give up both brogdon and henson for DJ.

Bledsoe+Chandler for Brogdon+Monroe+Teletovic/Delly would made so much sense :(


Not when they can get DJ and Bledsoe for Brogdon, Monroe, Henson and a weirdly protected pick. There's a reason they did not trade Brogdon to us, they knew they could get a better deal.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1967 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 2, 2017 5:29 pm

If we tried to trade Bender and Chriss and Warren and even a first for Simmons, they'd laugh. Same with Embiid despite his potential for injury. And I actually probably like Warren, Bender and Chriss better than the vast majority of this board.

People talk about trading for stars, even though I don't know which star(s) they are talking about. Unless they consider DeAndre Jordan a star. Simmons and Embiid are likely perennial all stars for years. Simmons may be having one of the best rookie seasons ever. Embiid is probably on his way to becoming the best all around big in the league or close to it if he remains healthy.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1968 » by sunsbg » Sat Dec 2, 2017 5:51 pm

NavLDO wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
Depends on how you look at it...

Bender and Chriss provided us 1171 Pts, 451 TRBs, 83 Assts, 77 Stls, and 92 Blks last year.

How many did Simmons provide last year? Oh, that's right...zero, zilch, nada.

Embiid was drafted in 2014, and since then, as provided Philly a whopping career 49 games, out of possible 266, or a little over 18%. In that same year, we drafted Warren, who's given us 176 games, and aside from a poor game last game, has been putting up some pretty spectacular numbers for a guy drafted 14th overall.

Simmons is a full year older than Chriss, and has likely 5 more years playing competitive basketball than Chriss, and Simmons is a full year and a half older than Bender. And yes, being able to draft 1st IS a huge advantage, but it can also be a curse in many cases (Bennett, Oden, Bargnani). And picking 2nd is even worse...Ingram, Russell, Parker (injuries), Derrick Williams, Thabeet, Beasley...

Anyway, don't discount Chriss and Bender quite yet. I still feel one of them should be used in a trade, but to use them as an example of how 'tanking' doesn't work isn't quite fair. I'd use any number of these 2nd overall picks from other teams...much better examples! :lol:


All I'm saying is you need players to build around from the draft, not players you can trade for/sign as FAs in the future. Probably 80% of the people on this board will trade Bender + Chriss + Warren for any of Simmons/Embiid.


I think that number is a bit high, personally, but maybe you are right. But IMO, why would you trade a 18.4/5.8 SF under contract for an average of $12.5M for 4 years for a guy that is setting you back $29.3M per for the next 5 years, and that before this season, has played but 11.7% of available games.

Is Embiid the better player? Yeah, probably, but i'm still not sure I make that trade straight up, much less with Chriss and Bender attached.

Also, remember, that these guys are also playing with other top picks like Fultz, Saric, Stauskus, and Bayless. Each one being UNDER 30 and picked no later than 12th in the draft.

Our guys (Bender and Chriss...the original two discussed), are playing with a 13th and 14th overall picks, and a 35YO geriatric Center. But MOST importantly, is the fact that Simmons himself was the 1st overall pick, and has another, 1st overall pick in Fultz, as the Sixers' PGs for Embiid to play with. Bender and Chriss get either a 5'10", 34th overall pick PG, or an Undrafted PG, to lead them. BIG difference in development. Even last year, with Bledsoe, he was the 18th overall pick, and they didn't get the development time under himfor the last 16 games of the season. They are now playing under a new HC, as well.

(I intentionally left out Len and Okafor as off-setting)

Point being, you can't just look look at Simmons and Embiid in a vacuum and compare them to Bender and Chriss, and say "Their guys are awesome, our guys stink." There is a reason behind it, and as soon as we can get a real PG in here, (which again, I REALLY wish we would've traded for Kyrie...warts and all...even if it cost us JJ), then maybe they can start their true development.

IMO, until we get a no-kidding decent PG in here, and have our HC situation figured out permanently, I'm not even counting this time against them, because they literally have almost no guidance, and I'm pretty sure, they have no long-range development plan laid out for them, seeing that they are put in-pulled out seemingly at random, based upon our opponent, rather than using this time as an opportunity for them to develop. How can one possibly fairly 'rate' two 20YO extremely gifted/athletic, yet raw prospects based upon this situation they are in?? It's just not a fair r accurate representation of their abilities, IMO.


You are over-analyzing here. It's not like Bledsoe, considered a borderline all-star was not on the team last year. Embiid and Simmons are dominating the league from the get go. Chriss and Bender are doing marginally better if not worse than their first seasons, so not sure how they are even comparable. My original point - you need star/superstar players to build around. Warren is not one of them. Bender is developed like the next Teletovic. Chriss has actually regressed.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1969 » by AtheJ415 » Sat Dec 2, 2017 6:46 pm

sunsbg wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
All I'm saying is you need players to build around from the draft, not players you can trade for/sign as FAs in the future. Probably 80% of the people on this board will trade Bender + Chriss + Warren for any of Simmons/Embiid.


I think that number is a bit high, personally, but maybe you are right. But IMO, why would you trade a 18.4/5.8 SF under contract for an average of $12.5M for 4 years for a guy that is setting you back $29.3M per for the next 5 years, and that before this season, has played but 11.7% of available games.

Is Embiid the better player? Yeah, probably, but i'm still not sure I make that trade straight up, much less with Chriss and Bender attached.

Also, remember, that these guys are also playing with other top picks like Fultz, Saric, Stauskus, and Bayless. Each one being UNDER 30 and picked no later than 12th in the draft.

Our guys (Bender and Chriss...the original two discussed), are playing with a 13th and 14th overall picks, and a 35YO geriatric Center. But MOST importantly, is the fact that Simmons himself was the 1st overall pick, and has another, 1st overall pick in Fultz, as the Sixers' PGs for Embiid to play with. Bender and Chriss get either a 5'10", 34th overall pick PG, or an Undrafted PG, to lead them. BIG difference in development. Even last year, with Bledsoe, he was the 18th overall pick, and they didn't get the development time under himfor the last 16 games of the season. They are now playing under a new HC, as well.

(I intentionally left out Len and Okafor as off-setting)

Point being, you can't just look look at Simmons and Embiid in a vacuum and compare them to Bender and Chriss, and say "Their guys are awesome, our guys stink." There is a reason behind it, and as soon as we can get a real PG in here, (which again, I REALLY wish we would've traded for Kyrie...warts and all...even if it cost us JJ), then maybe they can start their true development.

IMO, until we get a no-kidding decent PG in here, and have our HC situation figured out permanently, I'm not even counting this time against them, because they literally have almost no guidance, and I'm pretty sure, they have no long-range development plan laid out for them, seeing that they are put in-pulled out seemingly at random, based upon our opponent, rather than using this time as an opportunity for them to develop. How can one possibly fairly 'rate' two 20YO extremely gifted/athletic, yet raw prospects based upon this situation they are in?? It's just not a fair r accurate representation of their abilities, IMO.


You are over-analyzing here. It's not like Bledsoe, considered a borderline all-star was not on the team last year. Embiid and Simmons are dominating the league from the get go. Chriss and Bender are doing marginally better if not worse than their first seasons, so not sure how they are even comparable. My original point - you need star/superstar players to build around. Warren is not one of them. Bender is developed like the next Teletovic. Chriss has actually regressed.


I agree that Bled is underrated here. But I also do agree with the other poster though that being the 1st pick should carry very different expectations compared to the 4th pick. There's a weird dichotomy on this board with the crowd simultaneously saying the draft is a crap shoot and the justification being our high, but not top, picks who were drafted with the expectation of being long-term projects with great raw tools (Bender, Chriss). They are somehow being characterized as failures because they aren't performing to the level of quality NBA starters or the Embiid's and Simmons's of the world. The odds of getting an all star with pick 1 are much higher than later. The draft may be a crapshoot, but it really isn't at pick 1 or even pick 2. I know Embiid was the 3rd pick, but he was only that due to injury. He probably goes 1 or 2 if not for that.

Also, young players generally suck. The ones who are already good enough to be quality or even average starters at that age are future cornerstones for teams that are expected to become all stars or superstars.

Bender has a much higher ceiling than Teletovic, and just because they are asking him to space the floor doesn't mean they are developing him as Tele. Now that he's improved his shot, my expectation is to ask him to start doing more offensively. You don't want to overload young players by asking them to do too much. Regardless of that he is already an entirely different stratosphere from Tele defensively, which I expect to be his strength for his career. I do think he can become a playmaker if the suns let him. That will determine if he becomes a borderline star or just a role playing starter who is really good at a few things. He has shown that ability in the youth Euro leagues and it's not like that has disappeared. He has the speed and quickness to create against mismatch 4s and 5s. He just needs to sharpen up his handles at this level and get the reps, which I think will occur as this season and next unfolds.

Chriss got fat, but he was damn good last year for his age. I don't think he's even close to being a bust like others here seem to.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1970 » by TeamTragic » Sat Dec 2, 2017 7:01 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Looks like the Clippers want a lot for Jordan.

Sources said Clipper officials have targeted three Bucks in any deal for Jordan. One is John Henson, who is currently the team’s starting center, while the others are reigning Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon, who lost his starting spot when Bledsoe came aboard, and standout swingman Khris Middleton.

The Clippers, I’ve been told, are adamant in acquiring at least two of the aforementioned Bucks and may even demand all three of them.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1971 » by sunsbum » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:06 pm

Saberestar wrote:
sunsbum wrote:I'm surprised so many people are down on Bender already. What is he at now? 50 games? At the very least he's already a 3 and D guy that can defend 1-5. How many of those are there in the NBA? I bet we could count them on 1 hand.

The problem is that his defense is not that good. He is an OK defender, better than Chriss, but he can not defend 1-5...his defense is more a legend than reality.

I would love to have an all around defender on the team for real, someone like PJ Tucker was, but Bender can not matchup well with so many players. He needs to be more agressive and use his size.


Obviously when I say 1-5 I mean he can switch on screens if he needs to without too much problem not that you actually could stick him on Steph Curry all game. I think you aren't giving him enough credit on defense personally but thats your opinion. He certainly passes the eye test for me at such a young age.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1972 » by NavLDO » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:34 pm

Saberestar wrote:We are in a really bad position IF we stay pat.

We have options to make some moves and improve the roster, all those picks are useless if we stay pat because we are not gonna draft six or seven guys next year.

IMO this team needs an starting PG, and an starting PF ASAP.


Yes...Bender and Chriss are awful, both can play a good game from time to time but they are terrible and they do not deserve to play more than a few minutes per game. Both are getting humiliated so many times playing against starting players.

I'm seriously thinking that they can be out of the league in a couple of years, like Thomas Robinson (Chriss) or Tskitishvili (Bender).
Hopefully not.

We can upgrade the C position too.

If some really good big becomes available we need to trade for him. Players like DeAndre, Drummond or Gasol are 10 times better than what we have at C, one of them at our roster would be an amazing influx of talent.

So...we need talented players at three positions. One at a time, but we need to begin NOW.


Yes to the Blue...No to the Red. As I've beat that dead horse this thread enough. You might be right; heck, you probably WILL be right if things don;t change, but I'm just saying that they've been placed in an unenviable position, and to judge their play, or how they'll turn out seems unfounded at this point. Get them a stud PG and a decent C to play next to...oh, yeah, and commit to one of them, trade the other, and the one we commit to might have a shot.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1973 » by Damkac » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:37 pm

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1642265
IAMRANDYMARSH wrote:
shagadelic45 wrote:LAL TRADES: Ball, Deng




PHX TRADES: Monroe, James, 2018 #1 (MIL)



Suns get their PG of the future to pair with Booker, Lakers get out of Deng's deal to bi bigger spenders in 2018 FA


I think its a bit light for LA. Maybe if you replace James with Booker it would even things out a bit.

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Post#1974 » by NTB » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:37 pm

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Post#1975 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:41 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1976 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Dec 2, 2017 9:44 pm

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Yep. I think its still sinking in for us. But the rest of the league (at least their fans) is still figuring this out.


I think we all agree here. His improvement this season has been remarkable.

Overall, I'm pretty comfortable thinking that the 3 and 4 spots will work themselves out with the development of our current stable of talent. Booker obviously needs more help in the backcourt and a better dump-off target than Tyson Chandler. It's no secret we need a 1 and a 5.

If we were able to get both in this coming draft, or one in this draft and one via trade/free agency, we could get to the second round in a year or two. And once we get there, we'll stay there for a long time, I think.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1977 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Dec 2, 2017 10:09 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
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Yep. I think its still sinking in for us. But the rest of the league (at least their fans) is still figuring this out.


I think we all agree here. His improvement this season has been remarkable.

Overall, I'm pretty comfortable thinking that the 3 and 4 spots will work themselves out with the development of our current stable of talent. Booker obviously needs more help in the backcourt and a better dump-off target than Tyson Chandler. It's no secret we need a 1 and a 5.

If we were able to get both in this coming draft, or one in this draft and one via trade/free agency, we could get to the second round in a year or two. And once we get there, we'll stay there for a long time, I think.


Yes. The 1 and the 5 should be the priority. Go for one or the other in the draft, and then follow up with a trade or free agency.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1978 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 2, 2017 10:32 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
NTB wrote:
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Yep. I think its still sinking in for us. But the rest of the league (at least their fans) is still figuring this out.


I think we all agree here. His improvement this season has been remarkable.

Overall, I'm pretty comfortable thinking that the 3 and 4 spots will work themselves out with the development of our current stable of talent. Booker obviously needs more help in the backcourt and a better dump-off target than Tyson Chandler. It's no secret we need a 1 and a 5.

If we were able to get both in this coming draft, or one in this draft and one via trade/free agency, we could get to the second round in a year or two. And once we get there, we'll stay there for a long time, I think.


I'll be happy if we can get to the first round in the next year or two. Anything more than that of course would be phenomenal.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1979 » by sunskerr » Sat Dec 2, 2017 10:37 pm

Yeah we need to start consolidating assets. No reason to start wasting Booker and Warren's years. It's nice that we have Monroe/Len coming off the books. Draft just 1 rookie and maybe (big maybe) stash an overseas guy. Go through the roster and see who we can trade in package deals for a player(s) who fits. Ex maybe one of Bender/Chriss + picks for whoever helps the roster. Then a good free agent signing and go for the playoffs.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1980 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Dec 2, 2017 11:03 pm

sunskerr wrote:Yeah we need to start consolidating assets. No reason to start wasting Booker and Warren's years. It's nice that we have Monroe/Len coming off the books. Draft just 1 rookie and maybe (big maybe) stash an overseas guy. Go through the roster and see who we can trade in package deals for a player(s) who fits. Ex maybe one of Bender/Chriss + picks for whoever helps the roster. Then a good free agent signing and go for the playoffs.


I'm not interested in dealing Bender at this point. We don't really know what we have in him yet. There aren't many 7-foot-1, 37% 3FG, 20 year olds with two years of NBA experience in the world.

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