Game 22: Pistons (14-7) @ 76ers (12-9) - 7:30 PM EST

Blkbrd671 · Post #141 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 5:23 am

We need a starting SF or PF, SJ is not the answer this season, and he seems more and more on the KCP timeline path than Jimmy Butler

Blkbrd671 · Post #142 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 5:24 am

No clue why SVG took LK out, AB wasn't having his best game and SJ was a non factor offensively

Pharaoh · Post #143 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 6:18 am

Without SJs D on Simmons he runs riot though

Kid has been killing it and SJ slowed that roll.

Obviously Stanley needs a load more work offensively - can't be hestitant and can't miss so many open shots

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Moses ShamMoses · Post #144 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 1:44 pm

Turning point, in my mind, was when Luke was having a great game but got pulled too early. Then AB and SJ stayed cold to finish out the game. Loss Pistons. Stanimal needs to get his S*** together or he will lose his starting job.

ImHeisenberg · Post #145 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 1:49 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:We need a starting SF or PF, SJ is not the answer this season, and he seems more and more on the KCP timeline path than Jimmy Butler

It would be a huge boon if he was anywhere near as competent on offense as KCP. KCP didn't have the consistency to lead a team. But, he would have been terrific as the 4th or 5th option, like SJ is here.

We need a starting caliber starting SF that can hit the corner 3 and at the very least not be a liability on defense. That would be a tremendous upgrade over SJ. I'm confident SVG can find a player that fits that bill by the deadline.

Then again, if we're hovering around the 8th seed in February. I probably wouldn't want to see SVG trade away a draft pick to get someone when we may be lottery bound.

ImHeisenberg · Post #146 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 1:51 pm

joeposh wrote:It's time to start giving Kennard more minutes and to consider moving Stanley out of the starting line-up. If you can't hit a wide open jumper to save your life, you can't be on the court in key moments.

I'm with you. Kennard's offense will give a greater benefit overall than SJ guarding one person. LK can pass, shoot, and stretches the geometry of the defense. SJ is left on an island until he's within 5 feet of the basket.

hoophabit · Post #147 » by **hoophabit** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:46 pm

Yes, you can see that Kennard is building trust with SVG. He's getting more run as we go. SJ is playing very good defense, but he cannot continue to be so ineffectual on offense. Teams are openly inviting SJ to shoot.

Kilo · Post #148 » by **Kilo** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:50 pm

I don't think Stanley would accept going back to the bench. If we trade for an upgrade, he'd have to be sent out in the package going out. It might be better for all parties actually. He's trying hard defensively and is a difference maker there, BUT his offense is atrocious. Kennard isn't the answer here - he's not going to be able to guard the position.

russkopp · Post #149 » by **russkopp** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:59 pm

The problem w/ Stanley sucking on offense is when another starter has an off night, like Avery last night, we essentially play 3 on 5 basketball.

ImHeisenberg · Post #150 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 3:05 pm

russkopp wrote:The problem w/ Stanley sucking on offense is when another starter has an off night, like Avery last night, we essentially play 3 on 5 basketball.

Absolutely true. And, SJ being bad means we're often playing 4 v 5 on offense in our "best case" scenario. I like Johnson's effort and hustle on defense. But, he has to at least bring his offense up to KCP levels of inefficiency to stay on the floor in a meaningful way.

MotownMadness · Post #151 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 3:34 pm

We do need another 3 point somewhat more 2 way SF now. Stanley just can't shoot and we're leaving too much on the board.

russkopp · Post #152 » by **russkopp** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 4:40 pm

I know this isn't really the right thread for this but reports the Bucks are about to go hard after DeAndre Jordan.
Bledsoe
Middleton
Snell/Jabari
Greek Freak
DJ

Is a hell of a team. They're going for it, I wish we would too.

MotownMadness · Post #153 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 4:49 pm

russkopp wrote:I know this isn't really the right thread for this but reports the Bucks are about to go hard after DeAndre Jordan.
Bledsoe
Middleton
Snell/Jabari
Greek Freak
DJ

Is a hell of a team. They're going for it, I wish we would too.

We went for Bledsoe and was interested in DJ in the offseason. But Reggie and Drummond are better than those two anyways now. We're in good shape right now with everyone else in the East minus the Cavs momentarily

aad · Post #154 » by **aad** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 4:59 pm

We in the toughest stretch of the season we will be fine we also played 3 games in four nights after these next four games is over we will have a easier schedule

russkopp · Post #155 » by **russkopp** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 5:26 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
russkopp wrote:I know this isn't really the right thread for this but reports the Bucks are about to go hard after DeAndre Jordan.
Bledsoe
Middleton
Snell/Jabari
Greek Freak
DJ

Is a hell of a team. They're going for it, I wish we would too.

We went for Bledsoe and was interested in DJ in the offseason. But Reggie and Drummond are better than those two anyways now. We're in good shape right now with everyone else in the East minus the Cavs momentarily

I'd argue Bledsoe is better than Reggie purely on his defense. Him Avery and Stanley would've been murder on teams.

MotownMadness · Post #156 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 5:48 pm

russkopp wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
russkopp wrote:I know this isn't really the right thread for this but reports the Bucks are about to go hard after DeAndre Jordan.
Bledsoe
Middleton
Snell/Jabari
Greek Freak
DJ

Is a hell of a team. They're going for it, I wish we would too.

We went for Bledsoe and was interested in DJ in the offseason. But Reggie and Drummond are better than those two anyways now. We're in good shape right now with everyone else in the East minus the Cavs momentarily

I'd argue Bledsoe is better than Reggie purely on his defense. Him Avery and Stanley would've been murder on teams.

Yeah Bledsoe is good, should have clarified he's better than Reggie but Reggie can hold his own too and not that much worst at all right now. Actually might be more impactful at the moment.

russkopp · Post #157 » by **russkopp** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 5:59 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
russkopp wrote:
MotownMadness wrote: We went for Bledsoe and was interested in DJ in the offseason. But Reggie and Drummond are better than those two anyways now. We're in good shape right now with everyone else in the East minus the Cavs momentarily

I'd argue Bledsoe is better than Reggie purely on his defense. Him Avery and Stanley would've been murder on teams.

Yeah Bledsoe is good, should have clarified he's better than Reggie but Reggie can hold his own too and not that much worst at all right now. Actually might be more impactful at the moment.

Agreed

vege · Post #158 » by **vege** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 6:47 pm

russkopp wrote:The problem w/ Stanley sucking on offense is when another starter has an off night, like Avery last night, we essentially play 3 on 5 basketball.

Not as if Drummond is great on offense either. He have his moments but he is usually terrible. We need a better SF and I think SVG will trade for one at the deadline.

What makes me sad is hear SVG saying we got outworked and the other team wanted the win more than us (again), that's unnacceptable imo.

hoophabit · Post #159 » by **hoophabit** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 7:48 pm

Okay, but it's safe to say that Drummond is the least of our problems this year. I was hoping SJ was getting it together, but he has been terrible on the offensive end. He willingly moves the ball, but his scoring is so bad it affects the entire offense.

Outworked is coach speak for 'we lost.' You could make the argument, but Philly was just better at putting the ball through the ring.

Billl · Post #160 » by **Billl** » Mon Dec 4, 2017 3:24 pm

If RJ doesn't give up a million uncontested 3's to Covington, we would have won this easily. 13 attempts and I'm not sure any of them were contested.

And SJ needs to take some 2 pt shots. 5 of his 8 looks were from 3. This is not, and will never be, his game. He can't be taking more 3's than RJ, AB, tolliver and Luke. We've got plenty of shooters on the team. If he gets after it on D and gets some garbage points, the team can live with that most nights.