Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[jcsunsfan]

Hey guys.. Bucks fan here. What do you think of this trade. Dudley/Chandler/Jones JR for Delladova, Tetovic, Rashad Vaughn and 2nd. Saves you about 3 million in cap space next season. Vaughn has gotten little burn in Milwaukee, maybe he be better for you guys. Chandler and Dudley have no business on your young team do they? You can package Delladova and Monroes expiring and free up like 27 Million for next season. What do you think?

The 2019/2020 year on Delly contract would be a non-starter for the Suns. They wouldn't want that $10M eating up cap space the summer of 19. You mention pairing Monroe's contact with that to get another expiring... um good luck with that; why would another team that has 27M in expirings do that? Vaughns option wasn't picked up so he's just salary filler at this point; plus Daniels has been fine as the backup SG and Reed will be back later this year. Telly for Duds is a wash on the court but a downgrade in the locker room. I see very little upside for the Suns in this deal.

I think you could move Monroe and Delly to the Cavs for Tristan Thompson, Channing Frye (expiring) and Cedi Osman. Thompson would fit the type of athletic team Phoenix wants to build. The Cavs will make a move to shore up their center position before the playoffs and hope lebraon stays beyond this year, otherwise they are going to killed on the boards or Love is going to be in foul trouble and or beat up from having to bang with bigs too much.

Not interested in any more Rich Paul clients. TT is overpaid and has an inflated sense of self, just like the rest of his clients.

[jcsunsfan]

I think you could move Monroe and Delly to the Cavs for Tristan Thompson, Channing Frye (expiring) and Cedi Osman. Thompson would fit the type of athletic team Phoenix wants to build. The Cavs will make a move to shore up their center position before the playoffs and hope lebraon stays beyond this year, otherwise they are going to killed on the boards or Love is going to be in foul trouble and or beat up from having to bang with bigs too much.

I'm confused; wouldn't the Cavs be better off keeping Thompson to bang with bigs and rebound than Monroe? Plus say hypothetically the Cavs wanted to do a Monroe for Thompson swap it would be easier to do without Delly being involved. His contract is looked at around the league as a negative asset so involving him in any trade just brings down the asset base coming back.

It's really a shame that Delly has the last year on his deal and that he's simply not been good. Otherwise he would have made some sense on this suns team.

I like the Bucks so do want to see them get better I'm just saying I don't see a good match here.

Your probably right. As far as Monroe, for this season the Cavs could use scoring and Monroes size. Thompson doesn't give you that. Plus Monroe's expiring gives them some options if Lebron leaves for LA or some other place. Lebron likes Delly. I am pretty sure he is sort of running the show anyway. As for a Bucks fan we have to get out of Delly and Telly's contracts and since were taking back basically the same or slightly a little more while getting the kind of vets you need on a playoff contender, its a no brainier. What about Phoenix getting DJ Wilson and a 2nd as part of the deal?

McD has never traded for a bad contract. Do not think he is going to start now. We have so many second round picks right now we don't know what to do with them. Put Brogdon on the block we will start talking about a real trade.

[Fo-Real]

Hey guys.. Bucks fan here. What do you think of this trade. Dudley/Chandler/Jones JR for Delladova, Tetovic, Rashad Vaughn and 2nd. Saves you about 3 million in cap space next season. Vaughn has gotten little burn in Milwaukee, maybe he be better for you guys. Chandler and Dudley have no business on your young team do they? You can package Delladova and Monroes expiring and free up like 27 Million for next season. What do you think?

Sounds like taking on a heap of hot garbage in order to help someone else. There is not any one player in that pile coming from the bucks that you could even give me for free and it sound good for me.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think you could move Monroe and Delly to the Cavs for Tristan Thompson, Channing Frye (expiring) and Cedi Osman. Thompson would fit the type of athletic team Phoenix wants to build. The Cavs will make a move to shore up their center position before the playoffs and hope lebraon stays beyond this year, otherwise they are going to killed on the boards or Love is going to be in foul trouble and or beat up from having to bang with bigs too much.

I'm confused; wouldn't the Cavs be better off keeping Thompson to bang with bigs and rebound than Monroe? Plus say hypothetically the Cavs wanted to do a Monroe for Thompson swap it would be easier to do without Delly being involved. His contract is looked at around the league as a negative asset so involving him in any trade just brings down the asset base coming back.

It's really a shame that Delly has the last year on his deal and that he's simply not been good. Otherwise he would have made some sense on this suns team.

I like the Bucks so do want to see them get better I'm just saying I don't see a good match here.

Your probably right. As far as Monroe, for this season the Cavs could use scoring and Monroes size. Thompson doesn't give you that. Plus Monroe's expiring gives them some options if Lebron leaves for LA or some other place. Lebron likes Delly. I am pretty sure he is sort of running the show anyway. As for a Bucks fan we have to get out of Delly and Telly's contracts and since were taking back basically the same or slightly a little more while getting the kind of vets you need on a playoff contender, its a no brainier. What about Phoenix getting DJ Wilson and a 2nd as part of the deal?

I doubt DJ Wilson would have a lot of value for the Suns. They already have 2 PF's who are younger than him that they invested top 10 picks on that need to get all the developmental minutes. They have plenty of 2nd rounders so not much appeal there either.

[Jstock12]

hey guys, I don't follow the Suns much, but is there any reason why Bender isn't averaging 10+ FG attempts?

[bwgood77]

hey guys, I don't follow the Suns much, but is there any reason why Bender isn't averaging 10+ FG attempts?

Overall, the ball doesn't move a lot and people don't look for him often. Early in the season he was passing up on some shots and passing it way too often. Now he will typically make the best play when he does touch it, and that typically means he is wide open so he shoots a 3, but occasionally he will make the pass to someone more open or a higher percentage shot under the basket (unfortunately sometimes this is Len and he fails to finish even though it's a 2 footer or easy dunk).

[bwgood77]

Chriss and Bender are the type of players that NEED to be super aggressive and energetic to be "good" players long term.. look at Draymond Green and Jordan Bell... even Stanley Johnson... if Chriss and Bender had as much energy, aggression and hustle... they would be legit IMPACT players now... but nope.

If Bender had Pau Gasol level post moves he can get away with being calm and focus more on smoothness and skills... but he doesnt.. and he likes to play at the wing so he needs to be much more of a hustler. Same with Chriss..

Motor is so important if you aren't elite in size and skills....

They also need more touches to get more involved. Typically ANY player is more engaged on both ends if they get more touches/shots on offense. They are obviously not our best options on offense but the ball needs to move more and these guys need more opportunities on offense if they are going to develop offensively.

Luckily Bender stays engaged on defense regardless and sometimes Chriss does, and if he doesn't he plays limited minutes.

[King4Day]

Hey guys.. Bucks fan here. What do you think of this trade. Dudley/Chandler/Jones JR for Delladova, Tetovic, Rashad Vaughn and 2nd. Saves you about 3 million in cap space next season. Vaughn has gotten little burn in Milwaukee, maybe he be better for you guys. Chandler and Dudley have no business on your young team do they? You can package Delladova and Monroes expiring and free up like 27 Million for next season. What do you think?

Dudley is a great mentor for the kids:
1. He can still play, and makes the kids better when he's on the court. Yes we're tanking, but we're also developing Bender, Jackson and Chriss. They need good players who can help them, and feed them good looks.
2. He genuinely likes beeing a Sun, which makes him valuable in another sense.

In short, I think he has more value for Phoenix than anyone is willing to give up.

I understand what your saying. The Bucks have Kevin Garrett mentoring our young guys. Sure the Suns could do the same. Maybe Charles Barkley. Wasting a roster spot and keeping a proud, quality veteran from playing time and the chance to compete for a championship is a waste in my opinion.

If it wasn't already mentioned, McDonough gave Chandler an out last year and this past summer but he didn't want to be traded. He has his ring and seems OK with helping the young team grow.
Dudley knew coming in that it was all about his vet experience.

They both know why they are in Phoenix and aren't wasting away. That's the business and both have more value to the Suns as is. Especially if it means them going to meetings with free agents to help sell Phoenix and how things are behind the scenes.

[Frank Lee]

At what point does the FO/coach make the commitment to either Bender or Chris as starting PF ? Either one or the other or neither? I will be surprised if both pan out and can see a similar scenario as with Len applying to both. The way it looks is Len, the celebrated #5, will come and go with no lasting impact/assets. Whiff

[bwgood77]

At what point does the FO/coach make the commitment to either Bender or Chris as starting PF ? Either one or the other or neither? I will be surprised if both pan out and can see a similar scenario as with Len applying to both. The way it looks is Len, the celebrated #5, will come and go with no lasting impact/assets. Whiff

Way too early to commit to one and possibly pick the wrong one. Neither have proven without a doubt that the other one is completely expendable. Making the wrong choice there and watching the one let go find success is something this team can't afford.

[JMac1]

Difference between me and the next guy is, I call it as I see it. I see Chriss and Bender being ok, period. Neither guy is going to lift this franchise. TJ, is ok too. Booker is money in the bank, outside of that the rest are just meh as they say. I would like to play JJ into the ground and see what he has, all of this bring him along slowly bs is garbage. Some people act like we are breaking in a new car.

Time to take out the trash. If these guys aren’t the real, trade the youth and picks for a real player, even if that player is 5-6 years Booker senior. The plan we have sucks if you draft guys at number 4 and play him 20 minutes a game to “develop” him when everyone ahead of him stinks just as bad. TJ shoots as bad as JJ from three.....still!

Play Book and JJ all the minutes you can together, do whatever with the rest of the players who have shown they aren’t guys who can lift your franchises and move on. We are stuck in neutral.

Booker the garbage man and a bunch of yuck!!! JD......really?!?

JJ needs the same tutelage as Booker, trial by fire. Play TJ at the four give JJ minutes like these other rookies. Ball sucks ass but at least you know it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

At what point does the FO/coach make the commitment to either Bender or Chris as starting PF ? Either one or the other or neither? I will be surprised if both pan out and can see a similar scenario as with Len applying to both. The way it looks is Len, the celebrated #5, will come and go with no lasting impact/assets. Whiff

When they draft Marvin Bagley with the 3rd pick in the draft

I'm sure they would love for one of bender or chriss to step up and take the PF job but neither has to this point. My take on the two is bender is the safer bet as a rotation guy because he does some little things well but I think his upside is limited. Chriss has a higher ceiling but much much lower floor.... like playing in china by 2020 type floor.

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[RaisingArizona]

Only thing that Suns has to do this season is trading Monroe (or Len or Chandler but that is less likely).
In the offseason draft the best C and PG possible and find a coach who knows the word "defense".

And the PG and C we draft are going to be ready to contribute immediately? I don't buy it.

[jcsunsfan]

At what point does the FO/coach make the commitment to either Bender or Chris as starting PF ? Either one or the other or neither? I will be surprised if both pan out and can see a similar scenario as with Len applying to both. The way it looks is Len, the celebrated #5, will come and go with no lasting impact/assets. Whiff

They are giving both time and waiting for one of the two to separate himself from the other. Hasn't happened yet. Bender got a little window and got in foul trouble.

I would like to look at Alec Peters at pf. The kid can shoot. One scout said that the moment he steps on an NBA court, he will be one of the best shooters in the league. He is also physical. He will get inside and mix it up for rebound. He is smart and a heady team defender. He does not have the natural potential of the other two, but he might end up being the best player of the three.

[sunsbum]

The thing that worries me about Chriss besides being a really poor rebounder is the fact that he doesn't seem very driven. He added nothing besides ass fat to his game over the summer. Not an improved shot, no post up moves, ball handeling..zilch. Bender is showing glimpses here and there. Shot is coming around, that turn around fade away we've seen a few times, game seems to be slowing down for him. Same with JJ. We've seen flashes of what he can do, he just needs a season and an off-season under his belt. Speaking of off-season, McD has the most important one of his career ahead of him. Fingers crossed.

[gaspar]

On/Off court last 16 games. Yeah, Keep hatin' on Chriss, guys.

[Saberestar]

On/Off court last 16 games. Yeah, Keep hatin' on Chriss, guys.

Yeah, pretty sure that DJJ, Dudley and Chriss are our three best players.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Does jones jr get cut to make room for james this week? I still like jones but get that theres just not a spot in the rotation for the foreseeable future. A monroe trade or buyout is the other possibility.

Anyone know if they cut jones and he clears waivers (he might not imo) can the suns sign him to a two way contract?

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[jcsunsfan]

Does jones jr get cut to make room for james this week? I still like jones but get that theres just not a spot in the rotation for the foreseeable future. A monroe trade or buyout is the other possibility.

Anyone know if they cut jones and he clears waivers (he might not imo) can the suns sign him to a two way contract?

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I think Monroe will be traded.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Does jones jr get cut to make room for james this week? I still like jones but get that theres just not a spot in the rotation for the foreseeable future. A monroe trade or buyout is the other possibility.

Anyone know if they cut jones and he clears waivers (he might not imo) can the suns sign him to a two way contract?

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I think Monroe will be traded.

I think they would like to but where is the real question. George hill would be a possibility but he can't be traded util the 15th. Plus I'm not so sure I'd be all that stoked about paying him 20 mil next season.

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