Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[bwgood77]

Difference between me and the next guy is, I call it as I see it. I see Chriss and Bender being ok, period. Neither guy is going to lift this franchise. TJ, is ok too. Booker is money in the bank, outside of that the rest are just meh as they say. I would like to play JJ into the ground and see what he has, all of this bring him along slowly bs is garbage. Some people act like we are breaking in a new car.

Time to take out the trash. If these guys aren’t the real, trade the youth and picks for a real player, even if that player is 5-6 years Booker senior. The plan we have sucks if you draft guys at number 4 and play him 20 minutes a game to “develop” him when everyone ahead of him stinks just as bad. TJ shoots as bad as JJ from three.....still!

Play Book and JJ all the minutes you can together, do whatever with the rest of the players who have shown they aren’t guys who can lift your franchises and move on. We are stuck in neutral.

Booker the garbage man and a bunch of yuck!!! JD......really?!?

JJ needs the same tutelage as Booker, trial by fire. Play TJ at the four give JJ minutes like these other rookies. Ball sucks ass but at least you know it.

Booker played well. JJ mostly has not. His energy is great but he has some bad habits. You can't allow those bad habits to perpetuate as they need to learn and grow out of bad habits. They are not always going to do this on their own. There have been some games I felt he should get more playing time though. One game recently his minutes were absurdly low. But overall our players are playing much better under Triano, particularly when they have enough time to practice in between games.

[WeekapaugGroove]

An aspect thats hurting JJs minutes is they really only seem comfortable playing him at the 3 right now and Warren is simply a better player right now. Part if this is just trying to simplify things for JJ while he adjusts because eventually he'll play more 2 and 4.

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[bwgood77]

An aspect thats hurting JJs minutes is they really only seem comfortable playing him at the 3 right now and Warren is simply a better player right now. Part if this is just trying to simplify things for JJ while he adjusts because eventually he'll play more 2 and 4.

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If they just gave him all of the minutes at 2 and 3 when Booker or Warren sat at different times it would help him get more minutes. The problem is, Booker is likely to get upset if Jackson is in there (instead of Warren) turning it over and making stupid mistakes in a game they could win. And obviously Daniels makes the game easier for everyone by spreading the floor.

[LukasBMW]

Friendly reminder.

Anyone expecting Brandon Knight to come back strong after an ACL tear will be VERY disappointed.

He had a hard enough time getting to the rim and defending prior to his knee injury. Now with a slower first step and slower lateral movement he will be even more of a liability on defense and settle for even more jumpers.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Friendly reminder.

Anyone expecting Brandon Knight to come back strong after an ACL tear will be VERY disappointed.

He had a hard enough time getting to the rim and defending prior to his knee injury. Now with a slower first step and slower lateral movement he will be even more of a liability on defense and settle for even more jumpers.

Yeah counting on knight to give them anything is foolish. Hell if it wasn't for the fact his salary can't be used in a trade if realesed I think he would be a candidate to be cut to clear the spot for james.

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[Frank Lee]

Tell that to McD as he tries to redeem his 28 million spent

We need a PG
We likely won’t be able to deal for one
No real outstanders to draft

Hello BK
His job to lose

[Saberestar]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Funny fake knight trade idea. Monroe and knight for hill and zbo. It would technically have to ne two separate deals and the suns would probably have to include their own 2nd.

For the kings it would give them money to spend this summer and since they don't have their 2019 first rounder they need to try to go win now a little.

For the suns it takes their potential cap room away for next summer but clears knights 3rd year. Hill can be the stop gap pg for the next year and a half and zbo problably just gets bought out.

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[RaisingArizona]

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[lilfishi22]

@ lilfishi22 - From previous thread...

"If we're talking about Chriss's rookie season; fine I expect a savvy vet to do enough to outplay him but in this second season, I expect improvement."

But I think you are looking at Chriss' expected development in a vacuum--Natural progression says year 2 should be better than year 1.

Well, Year 1 had Bledsoe for most of the year. Year 2 involved a HC change, as well. Those are two major events, IMO. Then add in the fact that we just brought in a new Center who is garnering a good amount of minutes, so a new player to get use to as well, on top of Chriss.

And some things have improved--his TRBs, FT%, Blks, Assts, TOs, and PFs. Somethings more than others. And yes, his 3PT% has dipped slightly, as well as his 2PT% (but he's also shot 7% more from outside of 3FT than he did last year, as well, which may have something to do with it.

But my biggest contention is that we knew it was going to take a few years for him and Bender to develop, and this year, overall, has been a nightmare scenario, so I am not sure how or why anyone would expect Bender or Chriss to actually develop much at all this season.

Those improvements in his game have been absolutely marginal at best and he's regressed in the important areas of his game like his FT rate, PPG, FG% across the board, TS% and he's fouling at the same rate.

My biggest contention is his effort on the court. His body language sucks when things aren't going his way, effort levels come in waves and he's still making a lot of the same mistakes (ticky-tack fouls, missed defensive assignments, biting on fakes). As I said, the fact that a slow, overweight unatheltic, 32yo small forward who was largely brought in for leadership, is outplaying him really disappoints me. I wasn't expecting Amare 2.0 but show me some improvement in effort and attitude even if your skills take time to develop. Effort, attitude and motor doesn't rely on who you play with or who's coaching you, it's expected.

[bwgood77]

Only thing that Suns has to do this season is trading Monroe (or Len or Chandler but that is less likely).
In the offseason draft the best C and PG possible and find a coach who knows the word "defense".

And the PG and C we draft are going to be ready to contribute immediately? I don't buy it.

No, they likely won't be. At least not as much as people sometimes state. BUT, one of them (if we draft a PG and a C) MIGHT be. It happens. Some rookies are contributing quite well this year.

I wouldn't mind having a vet PG to play and I know some wouldn't mind that at PF.

But I also know that Kings fans are not happy when George Hill and Zach Randolph play a lot and Fox and Skal don't get a ton of minutes when they are a young team anyway.

I'm sure whichever way we take their will be a bunch of unhappy fans outside of us becoming really good really fast. It's just always the unhappy ones that speak up the loudest.

[bigfoot]

@ lilfishi22 - From previous thread...

"If we're talking about Chriss's rookie season; fine I expect a savvy vet to do enough to outplay him but in this second season, I expect improvement."

But I think you are looking at Chriss' expected development in a vacuum--Natural progression says year 2 should be better than year 1.

Well, Year 1 had Bledsoe for most of the year. Year 2 involved a HC change, as well. Those are two major events, IMO. Then add in the fact that we just brought in a new Center who is garnering a good amount of minutes, so a new player to get use to as well, on top of Chriss.

And some things have improved--his TRBs, FT%, Blks, Assts, TOs, and PFs. Somethings more than others. And yes, his 3PT% has dipped slightly, as well as his 2PT% (but he's also shot 7% more from outside of 3FT than he did last year, as well, which may have something to do with it.

But my biggest contention is that we knew it was going to take a few years for him and Bender to develop, and this year, overall, has been a nightmare scenario, so I am not sure how or why anyone would expect Bender or Chriss to actually develop much at all this season.

Those improvements in his game have been absolutely marginal at best and he's regressed in the important areas of his game like his FT rate, PPG, FG% across the board, TS% and he's fouling at the same rate.

My biggest contention is his effort on the court. His body language sucks when things aren't going his way, effort levels come in waves and he's still making a lot of the same mistakes (ticky-tack fouls, missed defensive assignments, biting on fakes). As I said, the fact that a slow, overweight unatheltic, 32yo small forward who was largely brought in for leadership, is outplaying him really disappoints me. I wasn't expecting Amare 2.0 but show me some improvement in effort and attitude even if your skills take time to develop. Effort, attitude and motor doesn't rely on who you play with or who's coaching you, it's expected.

Yeah the whole effort thing is a big concern. It takes significant mental effort to stay in shape and eat well. I'm not sure if Chriss has the mental makeup to do that. That carries over to the physical effort because if your body isn't ready to compete against NBA athletes you're toast. Chriss' numbers being down is just a reflection of his poor, poor offseason.

[bwgood77]

Friendly reminder.

Anyone expecting Brandon Knight to come back strong after an ACL tear will be VERY disappointed.

He had a hard enough time getting to the rim and defending prior to his knee injury. Now with a slower first step and slower lateral movement he will be even more of a liability on defense and settle for even more jumpers.

Yeah counting on knight to give them anything is foolish. Hell if it wasn't for the fact his salary can't be used in a trade if realesed I think he would be a candidate to be cut to clear the spot for james.

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I wouldn't have wanted him to get any minutes even without the ACL tear.

[NavLDO]

At what point does the FO/coach make the commitment to either Bender or Chris as starting PF ? Either one or the other or neither? I will be surprised if both pan out and can see a similar scenario as with Len applying to both. The way it looks is Len, the celebrated #5, will come and go with no lasting impact/assets. Whiff

Exactly, Frank. And to answer lilfishi22 in this thread as well, I don't know how you can expect 20YO 'kids' to just get it in this disorganized state of a team, and be excited and up for every game, when Chriss was given the 'keys to the car' as the the starter, only to have them taken away.

Somebody...Anybody...execute a plan around here. That would be kinda cool...

[lilfishi22]

At what point does the FO/coach make the commitment to either Bender or Chris as starting PF ? Either one or the other or neither? I will be surprised if both pan out and can see a similar scenario as with Len applying to both. The way it looks is Len, the celebrated #5, will come and go with no lasting impact/assets. Whiff

Exactly, Frank. And to answer lilfishi22 in this thread as well, I don't know how you can expect 20YO 'kids' to just get it in this disorganized state of a team, and be excited and up for every game, when Chriss was given the 'keys to the car' as the the starter, only to have them taken away.

Somebody...Anybody...execute a plan around here. That would be kinda cool...

You don't need to "get" effort. It's like basketball shoes, you either play with it or you don't. And I'm sorry, if he's having trouble upping his effort levels because of the state of the team and it's hard to be "excited and up" for every game, then he's not a professional NBA player. If he's not able to get to the required level of effort because he was given the 'keys to the car' as the starter, only to have them taken away, again he's not an NBA level basketball player.

The kid is so athletic and talented but I go back to that old saying, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. That's the reason Dudley outplays Chriss. It sounds simple but effort and hard work is the difference between a talented player playing at the highest level in the NBA or trying to make an NBA roster in the G-league. Chriss might be lucky enough that his athletic gifts and youth will keep him employed in the NBA for the next half decade but his level of effort will determine whether he's a starting calibre player or a 3rd, 4th journeyman off the bench.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I think the best fit superstar would be a 20-10 Center with 3 point range:

EG. Cousins, Embiid, Jokic, Towns.

I know we're not going to get them so that would make Ayton perfect for us.

Put Bender at PF to cover any defensive weaknesses.

[bwgood77]

I think the best fit superstar would be a 20-10 Center with 3 point range:

EG. Cousins, Embiid, Jokic, Towns.

I know we're not going to get them so that would make Ayton perfect for us.

Put Bender at PF to cover any defensive weaknesses.

Well Ayton shoots them but I wouldn't exactly say he "has range" yet. I noticed earlier him and Bagley are both shooting 29.4% from 3 so far. Hopefully those #s come up. Not that I would shy away from either if it didn't but if it did that will just make them that much better prospects.

[JMac1]

Difference between me and the next guy is, I call it as I see it. I see Chriss and Bender being ok, period. Neither guy is going to lift this franchise. TJ, is ok too. Booker is money in the bank, outside of that the rest are just meh as they say. I would like to play JJ into the ground and see what he has, all of this bring him along slowly bs is garbage. Some people act like we are breaking in a new car.

Time to take out the trash. If these guys aren’t the real, trade the youth and picks for a real player, even if that player is 5-6 years Booker senior. The plan we have sucks if you draft guys at number 4 and play him 20 minutes a game to “develop” him when everyone ahead of him stinks just as bad. TJ shoots as bad as JJ from three.....still!

Play Book and JJ all the minutes you can together, do whatever with the rest of the players who have shown they aren’t guys who can lift your franchises and move on. We are stuck in neutral.

Booker the garbage man and a bunch of yuck!!! JD......really?!?

JJ needs the same tutelage as Booker, trial by fire. Play TJ at the four give JJ minutes like these other rookies. Ball sucks ass but at least you know it.

Booker played well. JJ mostly has not. His energy is great but he has some bad habits. You can't allow those bad habits to perpetuate as they need to learn and grow out of bad habits. They are not always going to do this on their own. There have been some games I felt he should get more playing time though. One game recently his minutes were absurdly low. But overall our players are playing much better under Triano, particularly when they have enough time to practice in between games.

I agree. Josh will be good in spurts and bad in spurts, but sometime trying to win the game gets in the way of his playing time and it shouldn’t.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Wonder if Myles Turner is gettable?

He's eligible for the same max as Booker in 6 months too.

[rajahell]

I believe that we are in a good position to get deandre Jordan. It seems like LA is about to go into rebuild mode and I believe deandre would bring a tremendous defensive presence to the team. What do you guys think of this?

Phi gets
Deandre

LA gets
Monroe
Chris
Bucks protected first rounder