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Post#221 » by Trader_Joe » Tue Dec 5, 2017 12:30 am

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Prokorov wrote:Dinwiddie has been playing great ball. He looks like a George Hill clone out there. night and day from last year... my big criticism of him mid season last year was he constantly passed up open threes. now he has the confidence to launch from mid court.

We need to keep this guy long term. i know it will ruffle feathers with the lin crowd but i think best thing for the nets would be if Lin opted out and we gave dinwiddie lins money. like 4/48.

Dinwiddie is giving us like 15/8 as a starter and shooting 39% from three. basically what we'd hope lin would have given us

Can't see Lin opting out. Also Dinwiddie has a team option next year for the minimum. It's our last summer of cap space for some time so I think we take advantage of that and look to pay him the following summer.

If Lin opts on and is healthy next year, I'd like to see him in a sixth man role like he did in Charlotte.

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you are right its a team option not a player option.

if Lin opts in thats 15M in cap space if we renounce booker and harris.

do you extend russell and/or RHJ or let them become RFAs?

Definitely become RFAs. I'm not scared of the money there was the last two summers. Russell is a max guy regarding major injury regardless.
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Post#222 » by kamaze » Tue Dec 5, 2017 3:14 am

Dinwiddie leads the league in assist to turnover ratio he should be this year's Most Improved Player.
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Post#223 » by oldjim » Tue Dec 5, 2017 8:59 am

kamaze wrote:Dinwiddie leads the league in assist to turnover ratio he should be this year's Most Improved Player.


Din is obviously our best pg, when Russell come back, we should consider move Russell to the position of sg or the back up pg.

If he plays with Din in the starter ling up, i am afraid he will hurt the line up's defense and offense as we see this year in Nets and last year in LA,so i think Russell better come off the bench.

Just check the on/off court stats, he still hurt the team like last year in LA. That mean when he on court we play worse offense and defense ,when he off court, we play better offense and defense.
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Post#224 » by LKIRNets » Tue Dec 5, 2017 10:26 am

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kamaze wrote:Dinwiddie leads the league in assist to turnover ratio he should be this year's Most Improved Player.


Din is obviously our best pg, when Russell come back, we should consider move Russell to the position of sg or the back up pg.

If he plays with Din in the starter ling up, i am afraid he will hurt the line up's defense and offense as we see this year in Nets and last year in LA,so i think Russell better come off the bench.

Just check the on/off court stats, he still hurt the team like last year in LA. That mean when he on court we play worse offense and defense ,when he off court, we play better offense and defense.
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When Russell returns, Russell's starting. Yall Lin fans need to stop. :)

The disparity isn't even big enough to make the case.

w/ Russell not on court, steal % is lesser, turnover difference is a .6, he's played wit Mozgov. The only real difference is assist % and most of that is due to playing wit Timothy as option #4 at times becomes option #2 wit corner 3's and terrible recovery ball movement. What happens is that ball will go to a shooter wit the shotclock down needing to make a play.

D'Angelo averages 25.1% of the time on offense 7 dribbles or more, Kyrie averages 28.2%


Where Russell is affected is that 40% 3-6 dribbles. That's nowhere near a problem b/c he shoots and efficient 62.7% when he does that.

He's 21 we're blessed. He's going to be starting if healthy.
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Post#225 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 5, 2017 2:13 pm

Russell was the starting SG to begin the season before Lin got hurt. With Dinwiddie proving that he is a capable starting PG, Russell can move back to SG where he can focus on scoring instead of running the offense and drawing the attention of defenders to open up things for his teammates. Win/win.

Honestly, this is really a tired and dumb argument. No team in the league would bench a player averaging 21ppg 5rpg 5apg 19PER rating. oldjim's only posts on this board are centered around trying to trash Russell. Never to be found discussing anything else regarding the team in general, and never comments after Russell has a good game. He's a troll, so I wouldn't be too quick to co sign any of what he says tbh
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Post#226 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Dec 5, 2017 3:15 pm

Going forward, the majority of the PG/SG minutes will be split between Russell, Dinwiddie & Levert. Crabbe will get some SG minutes, and there may be occasions where we see Russell, Dinwiddie & Levert all on the floor at the same time, but 80-85 of 96 PG/SG minutes will be shared among those 3 players. It is all about 2020 & beyond. At that point they'll be ages, 24, 27 & 26, and just entering their prime. If you consider the Spurs model, LeVert probably best fits the Manu role, so he's like the "6th starter."
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Post#227 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Tue Dec 5, 2017 3:30 pm

Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.
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Post#229 » by Prokorov » Wed Dec 6, 2017 3:36 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.


Thats the future of this team right there.... although unless Levert can become a reliable 3 point shooter i think he needs to come off the bench for crabbe
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Re: The Mayor - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#230 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Dec 6, 2017 4:12 pm

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.


Thats the future of this team right there.... although unless Levert can become a reliable 3 point shooter i think he needs to come off the bench for crabbe

There's no shame in coming off the bench. Ginobili is a 2x all-star, 2x All-NBA 3rd team, 1x 6th man of the year, and has only started about a third of his career games. If LeVert can be our Ginobili, we'd be in great shape. Our GM comes from the Spurs tree after all.
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Post#231 » by LKIRNets » Wed Dec 6, 2017 4:49 pm

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.


Thats the future of this team right there.... although unless Levert can become a reliable 3 point shooter i think he needs to come off the bench for crabbe

potentially he can. He has some solid 3P shooting numbers w/o the dribble. His catch and shoot is near 40% from 3. His issue is shooting off the dribble. If he puts that together, he can become Paul George.
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Re: The Mayor - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#232 » by kamaze » Wed Dec 6, 2017 5:02 pm

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.


Thats the future of this team right there.... although unless Levert can become a reliable 3 point shooter i think he needs to come off the bench for crabbe

There's no shame in coming off the bench. Ginobili is a 2x all-star, 2x All-NBA 3rd team, 1x 6th man of the year, and has only started about a third of his career games. If LeVert can be our Ginobili, we'd be in great shape. Our GM comes from the Spurs tree after all.


That's what I'm saying if it's for the betterment of the team then that's what happens. Only works if the player will accept that role though.
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Re: The Mayor - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread 

Post#233 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 7, 2017 1:28 am

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.


Thats the future of this team right there.... although unless Levert can become a reliable 3 point shooter i think he needs to come off the bench for crabbe


Agreed. Crabbe's floor spacing ability opens up things big time.

Dinwiddie/Russell/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen w/ LeVert as the multi tool 6th man sounds ideal. Two guys that can hit threes on the perimeter, 20/5/5 go to guy at SG, with a 4/5 combo that can switch on anything. let that marinate in the oven for a bit and we'll be good to go.
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Post#234 » by Paradise » Thu Dec 7, 2017 2:37 am

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Post#235 » by kamaze » Thu Dec 7, 2017 2:49 am

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Personally I can’t wait to see our 3 PG line up out there: Dinwiddie-Russell-LeVert-RHJ-Allen. Not many teams can claim to have that sort of ball handling, passing, height and shooting ability across the 3 perimeter positions.


Thats the future of this team right there.... although unless Levert can become a reliable 3 point shooter i think he needs to come off the bench for crabbe


Agreed. Crabbe's floor spacing ability opens up things big time.

Dinwiddie/Russell/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen w/ LeVert as the multi tool 6th man sounds ideal. Two guys that can hit threes on the perimeter, 20/5/5 go to guy at SG, with a 4/5 combo that can switch on anything. let that marinate in the oven for a bit and we'll be good to go.


Crabbe is a shooting guard he's not strong enough to guard small forwards.
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Post#236 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Dec 7, 2017 3:29 am

not yet.

relax my friend. let the process unfold.

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Post#237 » by HoopsMalone » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:23 pm

DAR getting hurt was a blessing in disguise for you guys. Dinwiddie has just been amazing for you guys.

Now DAR has zero leverage since you don't really need him anymore. He'll have to go out and get a deal in a tight cap environment and you can just match it.
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Post#240 » by LKIRNets » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:40 am

HoopsMalone wrote:DAR getting hurt was a blessing in disguise for you guys. Dinwiddie has just been amazing for you guys.

Now DAR has zero leverage since you don't really need him anymore. He'll have to go out and get a deal in a tight cap environment and you can just match it.


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