Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

Mulhollanddrive · Post #61 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 8:17 am

The issue for DeAndre Jordan would more be cap space he'd cost $30-40m p.a for 4 years.

asudevil · Post #62 » by **asudevil** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 9:10 am

I think Rubio would be perfect for this team. Yes, he cannot shoot, but i believe that this team has PLENTY of scorers if given the play making to deliver.

Rubio does not seem to be a good fit in Utah
Hill earned his contract in Utah, and isnt happy in Sac and he's overpaid for his production there.
Utah has PLENTY of cap space after this season, so Hill's contract wouldnt be a burden.

So:

Suns trade:
Monroe/2x 2nds OR Knight/Bucks First
Suns get: Rubio

Kings trade: Hill
Kings get: Monroe/2x 2nds OR Knight/Bucks First

Jazz trade: Rubio
Jazz get: Hill

Sac either clears Hill's contract and gains a couple of 2nds or reduces the money owed from almost $20mil per to around $15mil for this season and the following 2 and gain a mid first rounder.

Jazz get a better fit with Hill. He's owed more money but he excelled in Utah and could be a better fit than Rubio.

Suns get that pass first guy they NEED.

Post #63 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 9:44 am

Not the only concern with DJ. For him to be more successful on the team, we'd have to surround him with at least 2 other scorers. Booker is one, Warren is one, but we'd need one more, preferably someone with range. Ideally we'd have to get a PG who can shoot 3's as well as make passes. I'd rule out getting DJ because of all this.

This would be my ideal scenario:
McDonough cashin' in!

Spoiler:

Son of Ra · Post #64 » by **Son of Ra** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 11:23 am

Qwigglez wrote:Not the only concern with DJ. For him to be more successful on the team, we'd have to surround him with at least 2 other scorers. Booker is one, Warren is one, but we'd need one more, preferably someone with range. Ideally we'd have to get a PG who can shoot 3's as well as make passes. I'd rule out getting DJ because of all this.

This would be my ideal scenario:
McDonough cashin' in!
Spoiler:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavvqy8s

Suns get-
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Clippers get-
Greg Monroe
Marquese Chriss
Derrick Jones Jr
2018 Miami 1st
2018 Bucks 1st

Pelicans get-
Deandre Jordan
Lou Williams
2018 Suns 2nd

Then we can do this trade too...
Suns get-
Dennis Schroder

Hawks get-
Omer Asik
2018 Suns 1st (top 3 protected)
2021 Miami 1st

1st trade, we take the risk of of Boogie staying here this off-season. We'd have a fairly balanced roster so it's likely he would stay with us. Also note, not many playoff caliber teams if any, will have the cap space to offer Boogie a full max contract. Clippers do this because they risk losing DJ this off-season so they cash in with a young player in Chriss and 2 1st round picks, which IMO is very fair value and even a bit of an overpay for an expiring contract. Pelicans balance out their roster with DJ instead of Boogie in the paint, and Lou Williams to handle the scoring for the wing, something they desperately need. They also move that albatross contract in Asik to open up their salary. I saw someone mention on the trade board that Boogie/AD have a record of 17-20 when they play together so they aren't exactly tearing teams apart as this twin towers duo. Holiday would likely see an uptick in his assists as I feel his usage likely went down due to Boogie handling the ball more.

2nd trade, the Hawks take the albatross contract in Asik but hopefully they don't mind since they are in full tank mode. They get two picks for a PG, which is a lot considering PG's is the most saturated position in the NBA. if they decline, we can give them Dudley instead of Asik (Dudley has one less year on his contract).

Suns balance out the roster and are set for the next 4 years at the very least if Boogie stays in Phoenix. We could also go ahead and keep both Boogie and even Alex Len this off-season if he was wiling to stay here. We maintain our youth for the most part, and even can bring them along slowly (Jackson/Bender). We'd still have upside for the future, and be exciting for the present too.
2018 roster:
Schroder/Booker/Warren/Boogie/Chandler
Ulis/Daniels/Jackson/Bender/Len

The 2018-19 season will be interesting because we'll actually have Knight, Reed, and Alan Williams coming to full health which bolsters our bench mob.

We fully cash in all our assets, but I feel like it would be worth it to build around Booker as soon as possible. I feel we'd be a pretty unstoppable team too. Booker/Boogie combo should be lethal. Combine that with Warren/Schroder as our third/fourth wheel scorer. Daniels/Knight as our microwave scorers off the bench, with defensive stoppers in Jackson/Bender. Williams with the hustle, Len with the mystery box. Reed may also be able to contribute.

Also I know I already mentioned this scenario, but I tweaked it a bit.

I'd do this even tho I think that two firsts and a young prospect (Chriss) is one too many for Jordan.
Also I'm usually against trading for Schröder because I just don't want anymore players with either off-court issues or Rich Paul (Boogie excluded, he's a monster and even if he was represented by Klutch he's an automatic full-max anyways). I'd be willing to roll the dice for this bigger picture scenario though.

Post #65 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 11:30 am

Son of Ra wrote:I'd do that even tho I think that two firsts and a young prospect (Chriss) is one too many for Jordan.
Also I'm usually against trading for Schröder because I just don't want anymore players with either off-court issues or Rich Paul (Boogie excluded, he's a monster and even if he was represented by Klutch he's an automatic full-max anyways). I'd be willing to roll the dice for this bigger picture scenario though.

Might have to adjust where picks are going to and how many. I'd be willing to give up a future Suns 1st too if we were to land these two players. Schroder is still young so he's likely still growing as a person. I don't think he's a bad kid at all. I haven't heard a peep from Boogie since being traded to the Pelicans, besides on court technicals and what not. I agree about the Rich Paul clients though, we are likely blacklisted as a destination spot unless that client has no where else to go.

I'm a gambling man too though and would gamble future assets in hopes that Schroder/Boogie provide more than what these 1st round picks could have been. We'd be a top destination for veteran free agents to try and ride the coattails of Booker/Boogie.

asudevil · Post #66 » by **asudevil** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 11:34 am

Qwigglez wrote:Not the only concern with DJ. For him to be more successful on the team, we'd have to surround him with at least 2 other scorers. Booker is one, Warren is one, but we'd need one more, preferably someone with range. Ideally we'd have to get a PG who can shoot 3's as well as make passes. I'd rule out getting DJ because of all this.

This would be my ideal scenario:
McDonough cashin' in!
Spoiler:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavvqy8s

Suns get-
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Clippers get-
Greg Monroe
Marquese Chriss
Derrick Jones Jr
2018 Miami 1st
2018 Bucks 1st

Pelicans get-
Deandre Jordan
Lou Williams
2018 Suns 2nd

Then we can do this trade too...
Suns get-
Dennis Schroder

Hawks get-
Omer Asik
2018 Suns 1st (top 3 protected)
2021 Miami 1st

1st trade, we take the risk of of Boogie staying here this off-season. We'd have a fairly balanced roster so it's likely he would stay with us. Also note, not many playoff caliber teams if any, will have the cap space to offer Boogie a full max contract. Clippers do this because they risk losing DJ this off-season so they cash in with a young player in Chriss and 2 1st round picks, which IMO is very fair value and even a bit of an overpay for an expiring contract. Pelicans balance out their roster with DJ instead of Boogie in the paint, and Lou Williams to handle the scoring for the wing, something they desperately need. They also move that albatross contract in Asik to open up their salary. I saw someone mention on the trade board that Boogie/AD have a record of 17-20 when they play together so they aren't exactly tearing teams apart as this twin towers duo. Holiday would likely see an uptick in his assists as I feel his usage likely went down due to Boogie handling the ball more.

2nd trade, the Hawks take the albatross contract in Asik but hopefully they don't mind since they are in full tank mode. They get two picks for a PG, which is a lot considering PG's is the most saturated position in the NBA. if they decline, we can give them Dudley instead of Asik (Dudley has one less year on his contract).

Suns balance out the roster and are set for the next 4 years at the very least if Boogie stays in Phoenix. We could also go ahead and keep both Boogie and even Alex Len this off-season if he was wiling to stay here. We maintain our youth for the most part, and even can bring them along slowly (Jackson/Bender). We'd still have upside for the future, and be exciting for the present too.
2018 roster:
Schroder/Booker/Warren/Boogie/Chandler
Ulis/Daniels/Jackson/Bender/Len

The 2018-19 season will be interesting because we'll actually have Knight, Reed, and Alan Williams coming to full health which bolsters our bench mob.

We fully cash in all our assets, but I feel like it would be worth it to build around Booker as soon as possible. I feel we'd be a pretty unstoppable team too. Booker/Boogie combo should be lethal. Combine that with Warren/Schroder as our third/fourth wheel scorer. Daniels/Knight as our microwave scorers off the bench, with defensive stoppers in Jackson/Bender. Williams with the hustle, Len with the mystery box. Reed may also be able to contribute.

Also I know I already mentioned this scenario, but I tweaked it a bit.

You have the suns trading way more and getting way less than when Sac traded Cousins for a year ago. IF i'm trading for Cousins then i'm offering nothing more than Miami 2018/Monroe/Chriss/2nd rounder for Cousins/Asik. Then maybe this offseason AFTER Cousins resigns an expiring like Chandler and Bucks First/Suns First for Schroder.

I'm not overpaying for 1/2 season of Cousins for half the farm when it nets nothing. And i'm not trading for Schroder unless Cousins is locked up longterm. Just MO.

Bogyo · Post #67 » by **Bogyo** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 12:52 pm

I only want the FO to keep to a reasonable plan. Don't half-ass it. Either stay bad, and young and get the draft picks, OR cash in all the chips and get 2 all-star(ish) players while keeping Booker and some of our youth/prospects.
DO NOT add one guy who will give us 5-10 more wins, becouse that's how you stay on the threadmill.

King4Day · Post #68 » by **King4Day** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 12:54 pm

asudevil wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Not the only concern with DJ. For him to be more successful on the team, we'd have to surround him with at least 2 other scorers. Booker is one, Warren is one, but we'd need one more, preferably someone with range. Ideally we'd have to get a PG who can shoot 3's as well as make passes. I'd rule out getting DJ because of all this.

This would be my ideal scenario:
McDonough cashin' in!
Spoiler:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavvqy8s

Suns get-
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Clippers get-
Greg Monroe
Marquese Chriss
Derrick Jones Jr
2018 Miami 1st
2018 Bucks 1st

Pelicans get-
Deandre Jordan
Lou Williams
2018 Suns 2nd

Then we can do this trade too...
Suns get-
Dennis Schroder

Hawks get-
Omer Asik
2018 Suns 1st (top 3 protected)
2021 Miami 1st

1st trade, we take the risk of of Boogie staying here this off-season. We'd have a fairly balanced roster so it's likely he would stay with us. Also note, not many playoff caliber teams if any, will have the cap space to offer Boogie a full max contract. Clippers do this because they risk losing DJ this off-season so they cash in with a young player in Chriss and 2 1st round picks, which IMO is very fair value and even a bit of an overpay for an expiring contract. Pelicans balance out their roster with DJ instead of Boogie in the paint, and Lou Williams to handle the scoring for the wing, something they desperately need. They also move that albatross contract in Asik to open up their salary. I saw someone mention on the trade board that Boogie/AD have a record of 17-20 when they play together so they aren't exactly tearing teams apart as this twin towers duo. Holiday would likely see an uptick in his assists as I feel his usage likely went down due to Boogie handling the ball more.

2nd trade, the Hawks take the albatross contract in Asik but hopefully they don't mind since they are in full tank mode. They get two picks for a PG, which is a lot considering PG's is the most saturated position in the NBA. if they decline, we can give them Dudley instead of Asik (Dudley has one less year on his contract).

Suns balance out the roster and are set for the next 4 years at the very least if Boogie stays in Phoenix. We could also go ahead and keep both Boogie and even Alex Len this off-season if he was wiling to stay here. We maintain our youth for the most part, and even can bring them along slowly (Jackson/Bender). We'd still have upside for the future, and be exciting for the present too.
2018 roster:
Schroder/Booker/Warren/Boogie/Chandler
Ulis/Daniels/Jackson/Bender/Len

The 2018-19 season will be interesting because we'll actually have Knight, Reed, and Alan Williams coming to full health which bolsters our bench mob.

We fully cash in all our assets, but I feel like it would be worth it to build around Booker as soon as possible. I feel we'd be a pretty unstoppable team too. Booker/Boogie combo should be lethal. Combine that with Warren/Schroder as our third/fourth wheel scorer. Daniels/Knight as our microwave scorers off the bench, with defensive stoppers in Jackson/Bender. Williams with the hustle, Len with the mystery box. Reed may also be able to contribute.

Also I know I already mentioned this scenario, but I tweaked it a bit.

You have the suns trading way more and getting way less than when Sac traded Cousins for a year ago. IF i'm trading for Cousins then i'm offering nothing more than Miami 2018/Monroe/Chriss/2nd rounder for Cousins/Asik. Then maybe this offseason AFTER Cousins resigns an expiring like Chandler and Bucks First/Suns First for Schroder.

I'm not overpaying for 1/2 season of Cousins for half the farm when it nets nothing. And i'm not trading for Schroder unless Cousins is locked up longterm. Just MO.

Beat me to it.
McD (rightfully so) won't commit to this if there's no commitment from Cousins too. That's a LOT to give up for a rental. I def think we'll be in play for him though.

In the trade scenarios, Knight isn't going anywhere without a first attached to him alone. Then we'd have to give up stuff for Hill as well. It's giving up too much regardless IMO. That's an 'all in' move and the talent coming back isn't enough to convince me that we would then be ready to compete.

King4Day · Post #69 » by **King4Day** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 12:54 pm

asudevil wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Not the only concern with DJ. For him to be more successful on the team, we'd have to surround him with at least 2 other scorers. Booker is one, Warren is one, but we'd need one more, preferably someone with range. Ideally we'd have to get a PG who can shoot 3's as well as make passes. I'd rule out getting DJ because of all this.

This would be my ideal scenario:
McDonough cashin' in!
Spoiler:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavvqy8s

Suns get-
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Clippers get-
Greg Monroe
Marquese Chriss
Derrick Jones Jr
2018 Miami 1st
2018 Bucks 1st

Pelicans get-
Deandre Jordan
Lou Williams
2018 Suns 2nd

Then we can do this trade too...
Suns get-
Dennis Schroder

Hawks get-
Omer Asik
2018 Suns 1st (top 3 protected)
2021 Miami 1st

1st trade, we take the risk of of Boogie staying here this off-season. We'd have a fairly balanced roster so it's likely he would stay with us. Also note, not many playoff caliber teams if any, will have the cap space to offer Boogie a full max contract. Clippers do this because they risk losing DJ this off-season so they cash in with a young player in Chriss and 2 1st round picks, which IMO is very fair value and even a bit of an overpay for an expiring contract. Pelicans balance out their roster with DJ instead of Boogie in the paint, and Lou Williams to handle the scoring for the wing, something they desperately need. They also move that albatross contract in Asik to open up their salary. I saw someone mention on the trade board that Boogie/AD have a record of 17-20 when they play together so they aren't exactly tearing teams apart as this twin towers duo. Holiday would likely see an uptick in his assists as I feel his usage likely went down due to Boogie handling the ball more.

2nd trade, the Hawks take the albatross contract in Asik but hopefully they don't mind since they are in full tank mode. They get two picks for a PG, which is a lot considering PG's is the most saturated position in the NBA. if they decline, we can give them Dudley instead of Asik (Dudley has one less year on his contract).

Suns balance out the roster and are set for the next 4 years at the very least if Boogie stays in Phoenix. We could also go ahead and keep both Boogie and even Alex Len this off-season if he was wiling to stay here. We maintain our youth for the most part, and even can bring them along slowly (Jackson/Bender). We'd still have upside for the future, and be exciting for the present too.
2018 roster:
Schroder/Booker/Warren/Boogie/Chandler
Ulis/Daniels/Jackson/Bender/Len

The 2018-19 season will be interesting because we'll actually have Knight, Reed, and Alan Williams coming to full health which bolsters our bench mob.

We fully cash in all our assets, but I feel like it would be worth it to build around Booker as soon as possible. I feel we'd be a pretty unstoppable team too. Booker/Boogie combo should be lethal. Combine that with Warren/Schroder as our third/fourth wheel scorer. Daniels/Knight as our microwave scorers off the bench, with defensive stoppers in Jackson/Bender. Williams with the hustle, Len with the mystery box. Reed may also be able to contribute.

Also I know I already mentioned this scenario, but I tweaked it a bit.

You have the suns trading way more and getting way less than when Sac traded Cousins for a year ago. IF i'm trading for Cousins then i'm offering nothing more than Miami 2018/Monroe/Chriss/2nd rounder for Cousins/Asik. Then maybe this offseason AFTER Cousins resigns an expiring like Chandler and Bucks First/Suns First for Schroder.

I'm not overpaying for 1/2 season of Cousins for half the farm when it nets nothing. And i'm not trading for Schroder unless Cousins is locked up longterm. Just MO.

Beat me to it.
McD (rightfully so) won't commit to this if there's no commitment from Cousins too. That's a LOT to give up for a rental. I def think we'll be in play for him though.

In the trade scenarios, Knight isn't going anywhere without a first attached to him alone. Then we'd have to give up stuff for Hill as well. It's giving up too much regardless IMO. That's an 'all in' move and the talent coming back isn't enough to convince me that we would then be ready to compete.

Hesh · Post #70 » by **Hesh** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 1:17 pm

Teams have traded for stars that didn't work out (OKC, NYK, LAclips).
Sixers tanked only to hit on 2 out of 5 which we still have to monitor progress and health. Fultz is unknown. 2 have/will be traded. Lakers had 3 top picks, lonzo could bust, one was traded for character issues, Ingram is coming along nicely but slowly.
Suns of course.
Minny has had Brewer (7th 2007),OJ mayo (3rd 2008) Rubio & Flynn (5th & 6th 2009), Wes Johnson (4th, 2010) Derrick Williams (2nd 2011), Trey Burke (9th 2013), KAT (2015 1st), Dunn (5th 2016)

Point is, no route is a sure thing, but time and development is, and we can't waste any of those two.
A plan, organic growth, a bit of luck and smart moves will get this team going and of course deliver entertaining basketball along the way which is why we are fans in the first place right? We want to be entertained, which doesn't necessarily mean championship or nothing.

BobbieL · Post #71 » by **BobbieL** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 1:59 pm

asudevil wrote:I think Rubio would be perfect for this team. Yes, he cannot shoot, but i believe that this team has PLENTY of scorers if given the play making to deliver.

Rubio does not seem to be a good fit in Utah
Hill earned his contract in Utah, and isnt happy in Sac and he's overpaid for his production there.
Utah has PLENTY of cap space after this season, so Hill's contract wouldnt be a burden.

So:

Suns trade:
Monroe/2x 2nds OR Knight/Bucks First
Suns get: Rubio

Kings trade: Hill
Kings get: Monroe/2x 2nds OR Knight/Bucks First

Jazz trade: Rubio
Jazz get: Hill

Sac either clears Hill's contract and gains a couple of 2nds or reduces the money owed from almost $20mil per to around $15mil for this season and the following 2 and gain a mid first rounder.

Jazz get a better fit with Hill. He's owed more money but he excelled in Utah and could be a better fit than Rubio.

Suns get that pass first guy they NEED.

I would actually do this kind of deal. A true PG could help both Booker and Warren. This would be excellent use of the Monroe pick. Heck, I would give both a second and that Bucks first to get this deal done.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #72 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 4:06 pm

Tyson played one of his best games as a Sun against Philly. Tons of lobs in traffic. I could imagine a few teams being interested in his services --- but one of these teams, surely, is us! Especially since it doesn't look like Len is interested in coming back. Tyson and Big Sauce would no doubt be able to hold down the 5 spot next year as we look to mold a young starting C. $20 million is a reasonable price tag for that duo.

jcsunsfan · Post #73 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 4:06 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Not the only concern with DJ. For him to be more successful on the team, we'd have to surround him with at least 2 other scorers. Booker is one, Warren is one, but we'd need one more, preferably someone with range. Ideally we'd have to get a PG who can shoot 3's as well as make passes. I'd rule out getting DJ because of all this.

This would be my ideal scenario:
McDonough cashin' in!
Spoiler:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavvqy8s

Suns get-
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Clippers get-
Greg Monroe
Marquese Chriss
Derrick Jones Jr
2018 Miami 1st
2018 Bucks 1st

Pelicans get-
Deandre Jordan
Lou Williams
2018 Suns 2nd

Then we can do this trade too...
Suns get-
Dennis Schroder

Hawks get-
Omer Asik
2018 Suns 1st (top 3 protected)
2021 Miami 1st

1st trade, we take the risk of of Boogie staying here this off-season. We'd have a fairly balanced roster so it's likely he would stay with us. Also note, not many playoff caliber teams if any, will have the cap space to offer Boogie a full max contract. Clippers do this because they risk losing DJ this off-season so they cash in with a young player in Chriss and 2 1st round picks, which IMO is very fair value and even a bit of an overpay for an expiring contract. Pelicans balance out their roster with DJ instead of Boogie in the paint, and Lou Williams to handle the scoring for the wing, something they desperately need. They also move that albatross contract in Asik to open up their salary. I saw someone mention on the trade board that Boogie/AD have a record of 17-20 when they play together so they aren't exactly tearing teams apart as this twin towers duo. Holiday would likely see an uptick in his assists as I feel his usage likely went down due to Boogie handling the ball more.

2nd trade, the Hawks take the albatross contract in Asik but hopefully they don't mind since they are in full tank mode. They get two picks for a PG, which is a lot considering PG's is the most saturated position in the NBA. if they decline, we can give them Dudley instead of Asik (Dudley has one less year on his contract).

Suns balance out the roster and are set for the next 4 years at the very least if Boogie stays in Phoenix. We could also go ahead and keep both Boogie and even Alex Len this off-season if he was wiling to stay here. We maintain our youth for the most part, and even can bring them along slowly (Jackson/Bender). We'd still have upside for the future, and be exciting for the present too.
2018 roster:
Schroder/Booker/Warren/Boogie/Chandler
Ulis/Daniels/Jackson/Bender/Len

The 2018-19 season will be interesting because we'll actually have Knight, Reed, and Alan Williams coming to full health which bolsters our bench mob.

We fully cash in all our assets, but I feel like it would be worth it to build around Booker as soon as possible. I feel we'd be a pretty unstoppable team too. Booker/Boogie combo should be lethal. Combine that with Warren/Schroder as our third/fourth wheel scorer. Daniels/Knight as our microwave scorers off the bench, with defensive stoppers in Jackson/Bender. Williams with the hustle, Len with the mystery box. Reed may also be able to contribute.

Also I know I already mentioned this scenario, but I tweaked it a bit.

OK. The only way we make this trade is if Cousins commits to resign here this summer when he is a free agent. But if we can sell him on that, why trade assets for him now? We can just keep those assets and sign him this summer. We keep assets, give our young players more time, get a better draft pick, and still sign Cousins. It would be worth the wait.

jcsunsfan · Post #74 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 4:14 pm

BobbieL wrote:
asudevil wrote:I think Rubio would be perfect for this team. Yes, he cannot shoot, but i believe that this team has PLENTY of scorers if given the play making to deliver.

Rubio does not seem to be a good fit in Utah
Hill earned his contract in Utah, and isnt happy in Sac and he's overpaid for his production there.
Utah has PLENTY of cap space after this season, so Hill's contract wouldnt be a burden.

So:

Suns trade:
Monroe/2x 2nds OR Knight/Bucks First
Suns get: Rubio

Kings trade: Hill
Kings get: Monroe/2x 2nds OR Knight/Bucks First

Jazz trade: Rubio
Jazz get: Hill

Sac either clears Hill's contract and gains a couple of 2nds or reduces the money owed from almost $20mil per to around $15mil for this season and the following 2 and gain a mid first rounder.

Jazz get a better fit with Hill. He's owed more money but he excelled in Utah and could be a better fit than Rubio.

Suns get that pass first guy they NEED.

I would actually do this kind of deal. A true PG could help both Booker and Warren. This would be excellent use of the Monroe pick. Heck, I would give both a second and that Bucks first to get this deal done.

I have never been a Rubio fan. But he can handle the ball, is unselfish, and is a very good defender. He might work. He ticks a lot of boxes as far as needs for this team. The real question is whether there is a better attainable option--a distributing pg who can defend and shoot. This is an interesting article from last January comparing the defensive metrics of NBA point guards.

http://hoop.nba.com/nba_hoop_featured/defensive-pointers/

LukasBMW · Post #75 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 4:29 pm

I'd be down to trade for Rubio if it only costs Monroe and some 2nd rounders.

But when Knight comes back, we draft Sexton with the Miami pick at #11, and Rubio comes back for the last year on his contract, we'd have a log jam at point guard again. :lol:

Sexton/Rubio/Ulis/Knight
Booker
TJ/Jackson
Chriss/Bender
Ayton

WeekapaugGroove · Post #76 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 4:37 pm

Why do people want to trade for guys who can become FAs this offseason? I just dont get it.

As far as rubio goes I'd be cool dealing for him on the cheap but why would Utah be trying to give him away? They are in the playoff hunt and paid a 1st rounder to aquire him this summer. I don't think they would have any interest in getting george hill back, from what I've heard that didnt end well last year and frankly he's sucked this season.

Now a hill for monroe swap probably is possible and I do get the appeal of a stop gap type pg for a couple years. But man he has not been good and is owed 20mil next year so thats kind of a tough pill to swallow. I feel like the money could get them a better player this summer.

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bwoolf2 · Post #77 » by **bwoolf2** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 4:58 pm

Anyone know when Davon Reed is back, seems like he should be getting closer it was 4 to 6 months, End of Dec will be 4 months. Could see the Suns getting him minutes at PG and cutting bait with James.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #78 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 5:07 pm

bwoolf2 wrote:Anyone know when Davon Reed is back, seems like he should be getting closer it was 4 to 6 months, End of Dec will be 4 months. Could see the Suns getting him minutes at PG and cutting bait with James.

I would guess he returns around the all star break. I'm not sure about playing him as a PG but I definitely want to see him paired with Booker when they let Devin play the pg for short stretches. He's a long 3 and D type that they just don't have in the rotation right now. I think he takes Daniels spot in the rotation when he returns. Speaking of Daniels if he continues to play alright they might be able to flip him for a minor asset at the deadline which would be cool since they got paid a 2nd rounder to take him and his contract.

Hesh · Post #79 » by **Hesh** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 5:08 pm

Read on Twitter

George Hill pulling a bledsoe :lol:

? Maybe we can get him

RedIndian · Post #80 » by **RedIndian** » Tue Dec 5, 2017 5:18 pm

How about Len for Okafor straight up?

The Sixers are desperate for any value for Jahlil at the moment. They want a back-up to Embiid, and Len might be decent in that role. Len's been voicing frustration, so this might be a good opportunity for him as well.

Likewise with us. Seems unlikely that we're going to re-sign Len; so if we are intrigued by Okafor, we might as well make the swap now.

Both teams get a good look at the players, and if they like what they see, they can reward them with decent-ish contracts in the summer.

Okafor might just be a dude who could surprise everyone, and flourish massively because of a change in scenery. For starters, he's good friends with Booker. With our lack of offensive options, he'll definitely get the opportunity to make an impact. I also see him helping alleviate our PG problem, as he's a very good passer out of the post. A playmaker in the paint will help offset the painful production we're getting from our PGs.

I understand that there are plenty of issues with Okafor's game, especially his defense. But what do we really have to lose here? Plenty of reports that Okafor dropped 20 pounds this summer. With a new team, perhaps he puts in real effort to become leaner, fitter and quicker on the defensive end.

What direction would you like the front office to take?