Post game: No Papa Johns

[Jeff Van Gully]

13th pick is not gonna cut it, we need to lose more!

Get a young stud next to KP and this team is good to go.

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

[Jeff Van Gully]

The Knicks are ok with KP and really bad without him. More than anything, he's the keystone of the defense.

So KP will either come back healthy and play a bunch of games or he won't and the team's fortunes will follow suit. Not much that whatever dumb "team" I'm on can do about that

we got this thing called que sera sera.

it's like people want to will some asinine strategy onto the reality of player capabilities.

every loss is some kind of decision to finally "do the right thing and tank." no. they lose because they couldn't win. pretty much that simple.

[mpharris36]

The two things I found offensive about this game Jeff-wise is as you noted:

Beasley - Net Negative, other guys are better even with less scoring

Lee - I was SMH during the game at how this guy has been played into the ground with illness. Seems like a horrible double standard going on when at least on the PR level they list DNPs due to "illness" while Lee is out there running himself ragged and coughing up blood. Jesus H that was just intolerable to see. This is not MJ with the flu in the playoffs. This is just another game and you're literally toying with the health of your most consistent player. Inexcusable really

looks like when Horny is pressed for wins he reverts back to being a horrible coach, so any sign of adversity he shows no accountability by playing guys like Beas/Jack because they are vets and because Lee is a role player he lets him go out there looking like death because he is trying to eek out every win possible.

Week minded coach, he needs to realize if Frank/Dotson/WHG show improvement throughout the year I don't think Perry will automatically fire him. He already stated he is looking for development and playing hard, not wins. Yet Jeff is held up on scoring, and deals with the negatives that those players bring which is the opposite of what perry/mills want.

[Red Vines]

13th pick is not gonna cut it, we need to lose more!

Get a young stud next to KP and this team is good to go.

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

[Clyde_Style]

The Knicks are ok with KP and really bad without him. More than anything, he's the keystone of the defense.

So KP will either come back healthy and play a bunch of games or he won't and the team's fortunes will follow suit. Not much that whatever dumb "team" I'm on can do about that

we got this thing called que sera sera.

it's like people want to will some asinine strategy onto the reality of player capabilities.

every loss is some kind of decision to finally "do the right thing and tank." no. they lose because they couldn't win. pretty much that simple.

I think of tanking as strictly provisional at this point, but there have been no calculated moves to that effect thus far that I can detect. However, we are entering that grey zone where tanking becomes a serious option that we have to believe is being pondered by Perry and Mills at this point. How could they not if we are injured and not winning during the soft part of the schedule?

but you did provoke my interest. May I attempt to will an asinine strategy on to you?

I propose that you dance like a chicken on your desk with a bowl of guacamole on your head. Would you do that right now please?

[Clyde_Style]

The two things I found offensive about this game Jeff-wise is as you noted:

Beasley - Net Negative, other guys are better even with less scoring

Lee - I was SMH during the game at how this guy has been played into the ground with illness. Seems like a horrible double standard going on when at least on the PR level they list DNPs due to "illness" while Lee is out there running himself ragged and coughing up blood. Jesus H that was just intolerable to see. This is not MJ with the flu in the playoffs. This is just another game and you're literally toying with the health of your most consistent player. Inexcusable really

looks like when Horny is pressed for wins he reverts back to being a horrible coach, so any sign of adversity he shows no accountability by playing guys like Beas/Jack because they are vets and because Lee is a role player he lets him go out there looking like death because he is trying to eek out every win possible.

Week minded coach, he needs to realize if Frank/Dotson/WHG show improvement throughout the year I don't think Perry will automatically fire him. He already stated he is looking for development and playing hard, not wins. Yet Jeff is held up on scoring, and deals with the negatives that those players bring which is the opposite of what perry/mills want.

Someone posted in a game thread that Perry was yelling at Jeff to play the young guys.

Is that even true? I didn't see it

[KnickFan33]

Decided to check the forum just to see how many posters would re-appear in the PG threads after falling under .500. Not as many as I thought there would be.

[WajaBawl]

The two things I found offensive about this game Jeff-wise is as you noted:

Beasley - Net Negative, other guys are better even with less scoring

Lee - I was SMH during the game at how this guy has been played into the ground with illness. Seems like a horrible double standard going on when at least on the PR level they list DNPs due to "illness" while Lee is out there running himself ragged and coughing up blood. Jesus H that was just intolerable to see. This is not MJ with the flu in the playoffs. This is just another game and you're literally toying with the health of your most consistent player. Inexcusable really

looks like when Horny is pressed for wins he reverts back to being a horrible coach, so any sign of adversity he shows no accountability by playing guys like Beas/Jack because they are vets and because Lee is a role player he lets him go out there looking like death because he is trying to eek out every win possible.

Week minded coach, he needs to realize if Frank/Dotson/WHG show improvement throughout the year I don't think Perry will automatically fire him. He already stated he is looking for development and playing hard, not wins. Yet Jeff is held up on scoring, and deals with the negatives that those players bring which is the opposite of what perry/mills want.

Someone posted in a game thread that Perry was yelling at Jeff to play the young guys.

Is that even true? I didn't see it

I think Perry knows enough to realize that it would reflect very poorly on Jeff if he was yelling at the coach what to do.

[mpharris36]

The two things I found offensive about this game Jeff-wise is as you noted:

Beasley - Net Negative, other guys are better even with less scoring

Lee - I was SMH during the game at how this guy has been played into the ground with illness. Seems like a horrible double standard going on when at least on the PR level they list DNPs due to "illness" while Lee is out there running himself ragged and coughing up blood. Jesus H that was just intolerable to see. This is not MJ with the flu in the playoffs. This is just another game and you're literally toying with the health of your most consistent player. Inexcusable really

looks like when Horny is pressed for wins he reverts back to being a horrible coach, so any sign of adversity he shows no accountability by playing guys like Beas/Jack because they are vets and because Lee is a role player he lets him go out there looking like death because he is trying to eek out every win possible.

Week minded coach, he needs to realize if Frank/Dotson/WHG show improvement throughout the year I don't think Perry will automatically fire him. He already stated he is looking for development and playing hard, not wins. Yet Jeff is held up on scoring, and deals with the negatives that those players bring which is the opposite of what perry/mills want.

Someone posted in a game thread that Perry was yelling at Jeff to play the young guys.

Is that even true? I didn't see it

nah I don't think thats true, but personally I have a feeling perry didn't envision the year with jack and beasley logging big minutes. I really don't care if we struggle to score, but Jeff talks about building an identity and then players our worst defensive players because they can make a few mid range jump shots...

[Knicksfan1992]

Can't make judgments on this team when KP doesn't play/ isn't healthy. Having him makes the game easier for everyone else especially our guards... We're going to lose most games he doesn't play at a high level or doesn't play at all.

[WajaBawl]

Can't make judgments on this team when KP doesn't play/ isn't healthy. Having him makes the game easier for everyone else especially our guards... We're going to lose most games he doesn't play at a high level or doesn't play at all.

That to me sounds like a team that's gonna struggle severely in the playoffs, so I still don't see what the point of chasing the 8th seed is.

[Knicksfan1992]

Can't make judgments on this team when KP doesn't play/ isn't healthy. Having him makes the game easier for everyone else especially our guards... We're going to lose most games he doesn't play at a high level or doesn't play at all.

That to me sounds like a team that's gonna struggle severely in the playoffs, so I still don't see what the point of chasing the 8th seed is.

Most teams aren't good if their best player doesn't play or isn't playing well. Cleveland would be the 6 -9 seed without Lebron. Stop worrying about our draft position and enjoy the fact that some gusy are playing really well. They're athletes. They're going to try and win. Saying they shouldn't chase after something is only going to add unnecessary anxiety to your life. There's no blueprint for building a successful team and a lot of out of your control luck is involved as well. Hell the Warriors got Harrison Barnes on a freaking coin flip...

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Short-handed blowout game or not, Beasley and Sessions shouldn't be getting minutes on this team, or any NBA team really.

[knuckles862]

I understand frank is young and has potential so I’m not gonna complain when he plays bad until his 3rd year but some of you guys gotta stop acting like his potential will automatically mean he will become a star like wait and see I swear

Who said he's gonna become a star?

A lot of posters here see him as a glue guy. A great 3&D guy at PG. If he becomes a star, that would be great but I wouldn't be mad if he doesn't. PGs take time to develop.

I think I’ve seen one person ever say he was a star a lot of guys say he will be an all star if you think he can be a 3 and D then that’s a reasonable feat but some guys think a lot more of him

[Iron Mantis]

13th pick is not gonna cut it, we need to lose more!

Get a young stud next to KP and this team is good to go.

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

Just as there are picks that do not pan out...there are others picked before and shortly after those players you named that have panned out. So yes, drafting well is important.


The point is, at the moment, the Knicks best chance at adding young talent to their core is through the draft. The higher you draft, the more likely you will have impact players available to choose from.

[DOT]

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

Just as there are picks that do not pan out...there are others picked before and shortly after those players you named that have panned out. So yes, drafting well is important.


The point is, at the moment, the Knicks best chance at adding young talent to their core is through the draft. The higher you draft, the more likely you will have impact players available to choose from.

So what you're saying is, raw draft position isn't as important as good scouting and player development?

Huh

[Red Vines]

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

Just as there are picks that do not pan out...there are others picked before and shortly after those players you named that have panned out. So yes, drafting well is important.


The point is, at the moment, the Knicks best chance at adding young talent to their core is through the draft. The higher you draft, the more likely you will have impact players available to choose from.

And the more unsuccessful & chaotic your organization, the less chance you have of keeping & attracting young talent.

[Iron Mantis]

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

Just as there are picks that do not pan out...there are others picked before and shortly after those players you named that have panned out. So yes, drafting well is important.


The point is, at the moment, the Knicks best chance at adding young talent to their core is through the draft. The higher you draft, the more likely you will have impact players available to choose from.

So what you're saying is, raw draft position isn't as important as good scouting and player development?

Huh

I said exactly what I said. The better your draft position, the more likely you will have a major impact player available for "good scouting and player development".

So we are just going to pretend far and away the majority of the NBA's stars weren't top 10 draft picks? In many cases, top 5?

[Dr. Detfink]

Watch on YouTube

"In some rare cases, flatulence..."

Last night was a simple case of the Knicks having too many injuries, not enough talent and definitely not enough firepower to defeat a top 5 ranked college team.

Michael Beasley IS NOT a starter, nor should get get starting minutes. Looking at YOU, Wojo.

Beasley was OWNED by former Brooklyn Nyet, Bojan Bogdanovic who was witnessed skinning chickens in the Barclay locker room before a game for his multiple Yugoslavian wives to cook.

Watch on YouTube

Coach Jeff Hornacek, one of the nicest openly gay coaches in the NBA, was forced to let Wily Hernangomez out from his gimp box and fill out some minutes. Turned out to be the BEST player on the court last night.

[DOT]

Just as there are picks that do not pan out...there are others picked before and shortly after those players you named that have panned out. So yes, drafting well is important.


The point is, at the moment, the Knicks best chance at adding young talent to their core is through the draft. The higher you draft, the more likely you will have impact players available to choose from.

So what you're saying is, raw draft position isn't as important as good scouting and player development?

Huh

I said exactly what I said. The better your draft position, the more likely you will have a major impact player available for "good scouting and player development".

So we are just going to pretend far and away the majority of the NBA's stars weren't top 10 draft picks? In many cases, top 5?

So you'd choose a team with poor scouting and the 5th pick over a team with good scouting and the 12th pick

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app