King of Empty stats

[Vee-Rex]

Tread carefully, because this will get locked if it turns into a player-bashing thread.

We can't bash players anymore?

I think too easily it transfers into team/fan-base/city bashing. If I had a nickel for every time someone bashed the city of Cleveland and Cleveland fans in response to praising LeBron I'd be filthy rich.

[Higgs Boston]

Melo is the GOAT and it's no even close.

[316Hornets]

Kevin Durant

[leolozon]

I always thought Kevin Love put up empty stats back in his Minnesota days.

And I’m not just saying that because he didn’t win, I just don’t think he had any impact in the game.

He mostly scored off spot up 3s or offensive putbacks, had a decent post game but doesn’t have the lift to finish strong at the rim and would often get rejected.

You’d figure a guy averaging 26 ppg, 14 rpg, 4 apg would be dominant but he wasn’t. He just never took over games like most stars do

Yeah, when he was 25, the Wolves had a 40-42 record, even though the second best player was Nikola Pekovic. They were actually 39-38 when he played, and 1-4 when he didn't. And they were in the tougher conference.

What record were you expecting for that team? 50 wins?

Love 100% had an impact.

[12footrim]

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Mitch Richmond
Tom Chambers
Wiggins
DeRozan

At least the first few off the top of my head.

Yes, more what I'm looking for. Abdul-Rauf as well is a good one.

[Zeitgeister]

Kevin Martin. From 2005-2014 his career average RAPM is 0.1. Offensively he's good but can be a pretty extreme ball stopper. He's a good three point shooter but his shooting doesn't have that much gravity because he's slow to get into his shot. His poor defense takes away from anything positive on the offensive side of the ball.

I always thought Kevin Love put up empty stats back in his Minnesota days.

And I’m not just saying that because he didn’t win, I just don’t think he had any impact in the game.

He mostly scored off spot up 3s or offensive putbacks, had a decent post game but doesn’t have the lift to finish strong at the rim and would often get rejected.

You’d figure a guy averaging 26 ppg, 14 rpg, 4 apg would be dominant but he wasn’t. He just never took over games like most stars do

Love was a top 10 guy in RAPM in 2013-2014, he was very clearly a high impact player at his best. Over his whole career in Minnesota he had a 2.9 RAPM which illustrates a clear impact player but not always a great one.

[12footrim]

I always thought Kevin Love put up empty stats back in his Minnesota days.

And I’m not just saying that because he didn’t win, I just don’t think he had any impact in the game.

He mostly scored off spot up 3s or offensive putbacks, had a decent post game but doesn’t have the lift to finish strong at the rim and would often get rejected.

You’d figure a guy averaging 26 ppg, 14 rpg, 4 apg would be dominant but he wasn’t. He just never took over games like most stars do

Yeah, when he was 25, the Wolves had a 40-42, even though the second best player was Nikola Pekovic.

What record were you expecting for that team? 50 wins?

Love 100% had an impact.

Yeah, I wouldn't ever consider him or Harden in this sort of conversation with the efficiency they score at ancillary stats. You don't get 14 rebounds a game just by accident or 11 assist.

[Zingod]

Kevin Durant

how?

[Celts17Pride]

Carmelo Anthony has always and will always be the King.

[Mister Ze]

Booker is a future all-star playing on a poor team, I wouldn't call him the king of empty stats. He's a legit combo-guard and one of the best scorers under 25 in the league.

I would say Cousins is the king of empty stats. He goes beast mode on the box score but I feel like his shot selection, defense, and overall effort comes into question at times.

[Kurosawa0]

People need to chill a bit on Booker. He's doing fine for being 21 and on a team that looks to him to score. Is he going to be Ray Allen? No, probably not, but if you put him on a team with better players his efficiency will go up.

[Big Mac Biyombo]

Andray Blatche

I don't know if a guy who averaged 10/5 for his career is really a good example of empty stats. He was never even an above average starter.

As for my contribution: Antoine Walker.

[316Hornets]

Kevin Durant

how?

He's averaging 5 assists to 3.6 turnovers this season. His win share is 2.5 and he's supposed to be the top dog on the team. Lol. He's turned into a glorified shooter and not much else.

[12footrim]

Booker is a future all-star playing on a poor team, I wouldn't call him the king of empty stats. He's a legit combo-guard and one of the best scorers under 25 in the league.

Again, I just used his season last year as an example of what I was looking for because I couldn't think of anyone else which is why I was asking the question to begin with.

22ppg.... 14.9 PER/.53 true shooting

It was what it was. Said nothing about his potential or how he was doing this year or anything else or than use that season as an example.

[NoBias]

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Mitch Richmond
Tom Chambers
Wiggins
DeRozan

At least the first few off the top of my head.

Check DeMars TS and PER. plus the fact that his team wins 50 games a year... how the **** does that equal to empty stats?

[Big Mac Biyombo]

Kevin Durant

Edgy.

One of the greatest players of all time. Four time scoring champ. MVP. Finals MVP. Arguably the most skilled and versatile 7 footer of all time.

Yeah that guy is the king of empty stats.

[dc]

Andray Blatche

I don't know if a guy who averaged 10/5 for his career is really a good example of empty stats. He was never even an above average starter.

Blatche in his "peak" years with the Wiz was going for about 14/7 and 17/8. Just looking at that those statlines and the fact that he was a still very young 7 footer, you'd think he was a future franchise pillar. But in reality his nice looking stats didn't come close to reflecting his actual play.

[dhsilv2]

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Mitch Richmond
Tom Chambers
Wiggins
DeRozan

At least the first few off the top of my head.

Mitch Richmond never had a player better than Abdul-Rauf or Brian Grant as a #2 option on those Kings teams. Richmond player hard for those teams but they were so poorly ran. Even got them into the playoffs one year. Not his fault he got traded to a sideshow.

He was still a guy in the low 20's in PER scoring 25 a game...

Empty stats don't make you by definition a bad player. But he would have been a lot more valuable scoring 20 at a decent efficiency.

[dhsilv2]

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Mitch Richmond
Tom Chambers
Wiggins
DeRozan

At least the first few off the top of my head.

Check DeMars TS and PER. plus the fact that his team wins 50 games a year... how the **** does that equal to empty stats?

Lowry is their guy. DeMar's RPM is a pretty good indicator he's as empty as they come.

[TankNation123]

first one comes to mind is cousins