King of Empty stats

[12footrim]

Derozan and Wiggins as far as current players go IMO. Jamal Crawford too but that isn't exactly a secret.

Yeah Wiggins is a good example. One like I was looking for.

[JonFromVA]

I need some help, who are the all time kings of empty stat seasons?

Devin Booker last year for example was one of the more hollow stat lines I've seen. 22ppg and only a 14.9 PER /.53% true shooting both under league average.

Edit: Let me clarify. Guys that are getting all star appearances or averaging 20+ ppg but have like a PER of 15 or are shooting under .500 true shooting or whatever like Kobe was at the end. Basically anyone getting accolades or a #1 banana role that really can't credibly do it justice.

Yeah, not sure the point of singling out Booker. Young players will get extra shots to help push their development along. His PER and TS% are already up nicely this season, so, it appears to have been a solid investment.

Wiggins seems to have followed the reverse trend as his efficiency has dropped.

Dion Waiters is one of the more extreme example of this due to his alpha-personality combined with D-league talent.

[leolozon]

Kevin Love is the king of this. He still has everyone fooled thinking " he is sacrificing for LeBron" he's never been anywhere close to as good as his MIN stats indicated.

Must be why he averages 19.2/10.4 in 29.3 minutes with an elite TS% of .624 (8th in the league among guys who scores more than 15ppg)...

Amazing.

This changes everything.

Weird that someone without an argument finds a way to be sarcastic.

[Zingod]

Boban Marjanovic.

Always destroys everybody in garbage time, but does next to nothing when it matters. There's a reason why he plays <10mpg

[Zingod]

Willy Hernangomez.
Made all rookie first team because hes got nice moves but in reality hes trash on defence thats why he dont play this year.

[cksdayoff]

jamal mashburn
ron mercer
antoine walker
jerry stackhouse

[FNQ]

From the Warriors:

Monta Ellis
David Lee
Antawn Jamison

Pretty #s, minimal impact.

[Frank Dux]

Dion Waiters is one of the more extreme example of this due to his alpha-personality combined with D-league talent.

This is the best description of Waiters

[Big Mac Biyombo]

Relax. Colangelo also drafted DeRozan JV and traded for Lowry.

That's far outweighed by him allegedly turning down Harden for JV.

That's not even getting into his atrocious free agency record:
- Linas Kleiza
- Hedo Turkoglu
- Landry Fields
- Jason Kapono
- Fred Jones

His trades were even worse:
- TJ Ford and a first round pick (Roy Hibbert) for a washed up Jermaine O'Neal
- Jermaine O'Neal (hugely valuable expiring) for a 2 month rental of Shawn Marion. This allowed Miami to have the cap space to sign Bosh! So he essentially traded Bosh for 2 months of Marion.

Worst of all:
- Andrea Bargnani. Enough said.

He was terrible here with the exception of his first year. I give him zero credit for drafting Derozan and Valanciunas by the way. They were both the consensus BPA at the time. The Lowry trade was his one move that was actually good in hindsight. That being said: we could have just taken Giannis with the pick he gave away in that deal. It's said that Masai was scrambling to acquire a pick to get him on draft night.

Overall he was really bad. There's a reason nobody in the NBA would give him a job with the exception of his own father.

yes i know all that , he mad a lot of bad decisions but an idiot he is not. No need to constantly bash him , move on. He might just end up doing a good job in Philly.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/19/boston-celtics-philadelphia-76ers-trade-draft-picks-0#/

[Zingod]

LaMelo Ball when he turns pro.

[spicy6]

Bookers still young hes fine. If i had to throw some names out there, kevin martin, michael redd a few times, harden in the 2015-2016 season, zach randolph a few times also.

[Zingod]

From the Warriors:

Monta Ellis
David Lee
Antawn Jamison

Pretty #s, minimal impact.

Corey Maggette

[KuruptedCav]

I’d go with someone like Isaiah Rider who was ultra talented but wouldn’t play D, never improved, and his teams weren’t made better by his presence or worse by his absence...


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[Zingod]

Al Jefferson

[dhsilv2]

Boban Marjanovic.

Always destroys everybody in garbage time, but does next to nothing when it matters. There's a reason why he plays <10mpg

He's actually pretty good, he just can't defend modern basketball, at all. If he came into the league 20+ years ago, he'd be a solid guy.

[JunkYardDog6ix]

Must be why he averages 19.2/10.4 in 29.3 minutes with an elite TS% of .624 (8th in the league among guys who scores more than 15ppg)...

Amazing.

This changes everything.

Weird that someone without an argument finds a way to be sarcastic.

I have yet to see an argument from you. Wow his true shooting percentage is amazing , must be nice shooting wide open 3s when the offense is focused on LeBron. I was talking about his Minny days anyways , he was not nearly the impactful player his stats say he was.

[Zingod]

Current Derrick Rose

[FNQ]

From the Warriors:

Monta Ellis
David Lee
Antawn Jamison

Pretty #s, minimal impact.

Corey Maggette

Ahhh I did so much to block him out. I feel like Frank Reynolds right now... you've unzipped me

Corey Maggette
Stephen Jackson
Jamal Crawford
Al Harrington

For the one good moment WE BELIEVE provided, it left a trail of devastation for basketball purists

[JunkYardDog6ix]

That's far outweighed by him allegedly turning down Harden for JV.

That's not even getting into his atrocious free agency record:
- Linas Kleiza
- Hedo Turkoglu
- Landry Fields
- Jason Kapono
- Fred Jones

His trades were even worse:
- TJ Ford and a first round pick (Roy Hibbert) for a washed up Jermaine O'Neal
- Jermaine O'Neal (hugely valuable expiring) for a 2 month rental of Shawn Marion. This allowed Miami to have the cap space to sign Bosh! So he essentially traded Bosh for 2 months of Marion.

Worst of all:
- Andrea Bargnani. Enough said.

He was terrible here with the exception of his first year. I give him zero credit for drafting Derozan and Valanciunas by the way. They were both the consensus BPA at the time. The Lowry trade was his one move that was actually good in hindsight. That being said: we could have just taken Giannis with the pick he gave away in that deal. It's said that Masai was scrambling to acquire a pick to get him on draft night.

Overall he was really bad. There's a reason nobody in the NBA would give him a job with the exception of his own father.

yes i know all that , he mad a lot of bad decisions but an idiot he is not. No need to constantly bash him , move on. He might just end up doing a good job in Philly.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/19/boston-celtics-philadelphia-76ers-trade-draft-picks-0#/

Hot takes now , nice. I'll bring this back up when Fultz is healthy

[ProfessorJM]

Current Derrick Rose

He might be the champion of all time for his recent seasons.