Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Negrodamus]

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Oh, and this theory isn't out of no where.

[Sixerscan]

Something weird happening with a Sixer's jump shot form is like Kevin O'Connors bat signal.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I've never of someone getting injured because of a change to their jump shooting motion. Even if he tried to change his shot which there really isn't any proof of stating that the shot is the reason for the injury is pretty wacky to me. Considering there is almost no example of this in professional basketball history.

Find it more likely he got injured lifting weights or doing dumb teenager crap like riding a dirt bike. Why no one in practice noticed it and thought to continue to trot him out there is a major concern. Especially when the most important player on the team is made of styrofoam.

“No (he’s not comfortable with it), and so we’re gonna get back on track. His heart is in the right place. All by himself, he pivoted out over the summer and tried to make it better and tweak it, and he’s in a place right now where we’re gonna try to remind him where his shot was and try to bring that back into probably more a tighter shot, bring his release point down a little bit, bring the ball closer to his body. We have a Team Markelle all around him to help him, and he’s gonna be just fine.”

“It was just something going on where I wanted to try something new, but my free throw’s going to look the same as college. I’m just trying to look at different ways to see how the ball can go in the hoop,” said Fultz. He stressed that his primary point-of-emphasis has been on getting ready for a deeper three-point line, and improving his proficiency as an off-ball threat. “This is a further three, so just [getting ready to] catch-and-shoot. You’ve got great people here—Ben, JJ, everybody—so you’ve got to be ready to catch-and-shoot whenever you’re open.”

I think it's clear he tried to do something with his shot.

To be fair Brown is speculating. He sounds sure of his speculation but there is nothing definitive in that statement from Brett, that he 100% made changes to his shot.

As for what Fultz said a couple days later he stated

Fultz then sat out the team’s preseason game against the Boston Celtics on Oct. 6 with what the team described as “shoulder soreness”. On Oct. 10, Fultz finally revealed to The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor that the shoulder issue was causing the change in his shot form.

So either he's a liar or mitigating the severity of the injury in order to continue to play

[JojoSlimbiid]

Like I said if you can show me one time in the history of the NBA someone has injured themselves by making a mechanical change to the way they shoot the ball than I'll be all on that theory.

Brett was even skeptical of the theory of getting injured due to a change in jumpshot.

[Negrodamus]

I've never of someone getting injured because of a change to their jump shooting motion. Even if he tried to change his shot which there really isn't any proof of stating that the shot is the reason for the injury is pretty wacky to me. Considering there is almost no example of this in professional basketball history.

Find it more likely he got injured lifting weights or doing dumb teenager crap like riding a dirt bike. Why no one in practice noticed it and thought to continue to trot him out there is a major concern. Especially when the most important player on the team is made of styrofoam.

“No (he’s not comfortable with it), and so we’re gonna get back on track. His heart is in the right place. All by himself, he pivoted out over the summer and tried to make it better and tweak it, and he’s in a place right now where we’re gonna try to remind him where his shot was and try to bring that back into probably more a tighter shot, bring his release point down a little bit, bring the ball closer to his body. We have a Team Markelle all around him to help him, and he’s gonna be just fine.”

“It was just something going on where I wanted to try something new, but my free throw’s going to look the same as college. I’m just trying to look at different ways to see how the ball can go in the hoop,” said Fultz. He stressed that his primary point-of-emphasis has been on getting ready for a deeper three-point line, and improving his proficiency as an off-ball threat. “This is a further three, so just [getting ready to] catch-and-shoot. You’ve got great people here—Ben, JJ, everybody—so you’ve got to be ready to catch-and-shoot whenever you’re open.”

I think it's clear he tried to do something with his shot.

To be fair Brown is speculating. He sounds sure of his speculation but there is nothing definitive in that statement from Brett, that he 100% made changes to his shot.

As for what Fultz said a couple days later he stated

Fultz then sat out the team’s preseason game against the Boston Celtics on Oct. 6 with what the team described as “shoulder soreness”. On Oct. 10, Fultz finally revealed to The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor that the shoulder issue was causing the change in his shot form.

So either he's a liar or mitigating the severity of the injury in order to continue to play

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I don't know man, sounds pretty definitive to me.

[Negrodamus]

Like I said if you can show me one time in the history of the NBA someone has injured themselves by making a mechanical change to the way they shoot the ball than I'll be all on that theory.

Brett was even skeptical of the theory of getting injured due to a change in jumpshot.

I can't. All I can do is trust our "Basketball Guy", Bryan Colangelo.

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[KrazySixersD]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

[Mik317]

who's ready for an announcement of yet another announcement? This is when I wish people would press them more...but they are masters of saying alot while saying nothing ; making it look like they totally answered your questions...so that is a moot point.

[Mik317]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

lol.

this is the second or third time you have called him a weak minded loser tho.

some defense that was I guess.

[Negrodamus]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

No offense, but I have a feeling you eat crow a lot.

[KrazySixersD]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

No offense, but I have a feeling you eat crow a lot.

man I say what I feel... a lot of times I am right in what I say but there are plenty I am wrong and I never shy away from saying so, I hope to god I am wrong, but how can you honestly defend him or the team at this point?

It's pretty naive to do so at this point no? Even if you hope and pray all you want that he legit has a muscle imbalance this bad to be out this long... deep down you know that is BS, and if it is true, then this just sheds poorly yet again on the FO for having him play originally

[KrazySixersD]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

lol.

this is the second or third time you have called him a weak minded loser tho.

some defense that was I guess.

can you show me where? I dont believe I have done so but if I have then I'm obviously wrong.. I have said that if he truly is exaggerating on this then he is weak minded, but I never strait up called him that like I have now, as there is no doubt in my mind he is part if not all to blame in this

[Negrodamus]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

No offense, but I have a feeling you eat crow a lot.

man I say what I feel... a lot of times I am right in what I say but there are plenty I am wrong and I never shy away from saying so, I hope to god I am wrong, but how can you honestly defend him or the team at this point?

It's pretty naive to do so at this point no? Even if you hope and pray all you want that he legit has a muscle imbalance this bad to be out this long... deep down you know that is BS, and if it is true, then this just sheds poorly yet again on the FO for having him play originally

I literally just posted a few points showing my skepticism, but I'm not calling our player's mental toughness into question. I'm just saying your post feels like when Lonzo is on the verge of an empty triple double tomorrow and the Lakers are up five in the fourth, a similar impulsive, hot take will come from you.

[Sixerscan]

ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

No offense, but I have a feeling you eat crow a lot.

man I say what I feel... a lot of times I am right in what I say but there are plenty I am wrong and I never shy away from saying so, I hope to god I am wrong, but how can you honestly defend him or the team at this point?

It's pretty naive to do so at this point no? Even if you hope and pray all you want that he legit has a muscle imbalance this bad to be out this long... deep down you know that is BS, and if it is true, then this just sheds poorly yet again on the FO for having him play originally

It hasn't been 6 weeks yet? Six weeks would be this coming Sunday. They said they'd give an actual update in a few days.

Idk just seems like you're jumping the gun a little bit. I'm gonna wait until the update.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I dunno at this point. I can only go with realistic scenario's.

It's one thing to say that the reason for his reluctance to shoot the ball is because of a form change. That the injury is bogus or marginal at best and that it's a mental thing. I think it was debunked because he was actually diagnosed by a specialist with a physical condition but whatever it's at least plausible and is abstract enough that you can't really prove it to be the case unless your him or his trainer

What I find less plausible is saying that his condition is legitimate and was caused by said form change. You start getting into medical territory there and you need to start to prove yourself on that one. I can't just blindly assume something like this to be true when there are more likely scenarios. From what I've read this injury is often linked to lifting weights. You know what players tend to do in the off-season? They lift weights. Not saying that's what happen here but I can at least wrap my brain around that

[Kobblehead]

Sensationalism aside, my thoughts are along the same lines as krazy's.

[LloydFree]

If he's out for the year, Colangelo needs to go.

Why?

One of two reasons:

#1. Because he left Fultz to his devices with seemingly no plan between Summer League and preseason. So Fultz took it upon himself, and his trainer, to change his shot which consequently caused this issue with his shoulder, if I'm piecing this insanity together correctly. That's a complete lack of control over your multimillion dollar 19 year old investment.

OR

#2. Fultz mysteriously hurt his shoulder and had the gross negligence to let him play all training camp, preseason and a few games in the beginning of the season without seeing a specialist to begin the rehab process. If this is something as serious as a season ender, he should have never played to begin with.

None of #2, but a lot of #1 is probably applicable.

[KrazySixersD]

No offense, but I have a feeling you eat crow a lot.

man I say what I feel... a lot of times I am right in what I say but there are plenty I am wrong and I never shy away from saying so, I hope to god I am wrong, but how can you honestly defend him or the team at this point?

It's pretty naive to do so at this point no? Even if you hope and pray all you want that he legit has a muscle imbalance this bad to be out this long... deep down you know that is BS, and if it is true, then this just sheds poorly yet again on the FO for having him play originally

I literally just posted a few points showing my skepticism, but I'm not calling our player's mental toughness into question. I'm just saying your post feels like when Lonzo is on the verge of an empty triple double tomorrow and the Lakers are up five in the fourth, a similar impulsive, hot take will come from you.

what? are you trying to insinuate im a lonzo fan?

[LongLiveHinkie]

"A player is mentally weak because since I'm not a doctor and know nothing about the player's ailments and what kind of pain he is feeling, what he has isn't painful and he should play through it even though I don't even know what it is"

People are just frustrated that another top draft pick is hurt, and they're childishly taking it out on the guy who is hurt. No one's to blame, **** happens.