Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[Revived]

I come in piece

Seeing how #2 is an option, how would you guys feel collectively about a Monroe/Jackson/18' pick for Whiteside trade?

Give us Goran back, I miss having competent play from the PG position

[Qwigglez]

I come in piece

Seeing how #2 is an option, how would you guys feel collectively about a Monroe/Jackson/18' pick for Whiteside trade?

Give us Goran back, I miss having competent play from the PG position

I was actually thinking of a three team trade a couple days ago that went something like this...
Suns get-
Boogie Cousins
Goran Dragic

Heat get-
Greg Monroe
Omer Asik
Jared Dudley
both Miami picks back

Pelicans get-
Hassan Whiteside
Dion Waiters
2018 Bucks pick

If the Heat decided to rebuild I thought it made some sense.

[Hesh]

Dragic would hate the idea of returning to Phoenix though

[Qwigglez]

Oh yeah for sure. But IDK, third time's the charm right?

[sunsbum]

Dear God. What if we had Goran and Booker

[sunskerr]

Dear God. What if we had Goran and Booker

Still miss Dragic...

[Revived]

Dear God. What if we had Goran and Booker

People will bash on how bad it will be defensively but with a PG like Dragic, Booker wouldn’t have to shoulder the whole scoring load and could focus more on defense.

Plus if a Nash/Richardson (two terrible defenders) backcourt can be a contender then I’ll take my chances with Dragic/Booker (despite obviously the former being way superior offensively).

[thamadkant]

Yep. I do. Both extremely limited on offense. Being athletic and active on defense are his main selling points. I don't know. I guess we'll see what he can do.

Josh Jackson being "extremely limited" on offense is hyperbole to a T.

He cant shoot...

He can penetrate, pass, slash and push the ball in transition.... yes, he's extremely limited.... "extreme"

He can’t dribble either.

He’s nothing like Childress though cause yeah he can actually drive and pass somewhat.

Yeah, Jackson's not PG level dribbler, but he can dribble around big men and tall SFs... thats good enough

[handsome salary]

Dear God. What if we had Goran and Booker

Still miss Dragic...

One time the Suns had KJ, Kidd and Nash together. Two of them are in the Ring of Honor.

At another point Suns had Bledsoe, Dragic and IT together. None of them now would put out Ryan if he was on fire.

[AtheJ415]

I can't believe some of these proposals that I'm reading. George Hill? Trading to get Goran, who publicly demanded a trade and would probably go ring chasing at the end of his deal since he'll be old by then? Mike Conley? Not to mention all of these guys remove the possibility of a max player over the next 2 offseasons. That is just insane. None of them get us into the playoffs even as the 8 seed, and each costs us the chance to take a longshot pursuit of someone like Cousins or Capela or whoever (and I'd rather take the longshot at either of those guys than pay Mike Conley $30 mil a year and George Hill $20 mil a year).

The real truth here is that we don't NEED to get a PG to pair with Booker this year. It would be nice if there was one who didn't cost a lot to get and who had a low or expiring salary, but that guy doesn't exist. Furthermore, the most valuable SG in basketball is James Harden, who was also asked to create for and carry an NBA offense in a PG-like fashion, which turned him into the player he is now. While it might not be fair to make Booker do that at 21, it will allow him to develop on that end and in that fashion. The whole, "New Kobe" mantra has been misguided. Kobe would not be THAT valuable in the league today relative to a guy like Harden. We should want him to become Harden, and in my opinion he has shown enough playmaking to potentially become that.

All of that is besides the point that we really do need a top 5 pick this season, so adding a PG who helps us win today isn't necessarily great for us. Getting one of Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba is a big freaking deal for this team. Besides that, we still need Ulis to get his minutes and improve since he is probably our future long-term 2nd PG no matter what happens. We can address starting PG this upcoming offseason for a bargain vet or through the draft or both. That Miami pick should let us to get somebody like Sexton or Young, who I like. Duval also is there. None are sure things but all have the potential to be a starting 1 in the league. If Sexton is projected to go 7th or so like he currently is, we can always package the Miami and Milwaukee picks to move up if needed.

[AtheJ415]

Also, if we end up drafting one of those top 5 (and I think that will happen, because Booker's injury makes us really bad and Dallas and Sac are showing improvement while Memphis cannot end up this bad imo), our best lineup may be with Booker as the 1. Our top 5 going forward, if the goal was to get your top 5 players on the court, would probably be Booker, Jackson, Warren, Bender or Chriss, whoever we draft if they are a big. If they aren't a big (Doncic or Porter), then you have Booker, Doncic, Jackson, Warren, Bender or Chriss, or Booker, Jackson, Warren, Porter, Bender or Chriss (maybe flip Warren and Porter for the 3/4).

[AtheJ415]

Dear God. What if we had Goran and Booker

Still miss Dragic...

One time the Suns had KJ, Kidd and Nash together. Two of them are in the Ring of Honor.

At another point Suns had Bledsoe, Dragic and IT together. None of them now would put out Ryan if he was on fire.

Not true at all, but okay. Particularly IT.

Besides, Bled and Dragic were being babies. Bled wanted to extend here, and upon us not wanting to do that in an offseason where it would make no sense to, he decided to then say he couldn't stand it here and wanted out. Goran threw a temper tantrum because Phoenix wasn't playing his brother a ton and Goran was getting less touches despite winning more. He then stated that he wanted to go to a team that won more while including the Knicks as his preferred choice. I get not wanting to play out of position, but don't claim to be a team guy who just wants to win and then get all angry when the team wins more despite you playing out of position or getting the ball less. Just say that you want to be the focal point/star of the team, and that winning is secondary.

[Bishop45]

Thanks for the replies, guys. A big Jackson fan and wanted to see any possible trade where MIA could get Jackson + a pick for Whiteside (Don't care if Brandon Knight+ trash was the filler). I thought PHX '18 pick made sense because PHX either gets a higher pick this year or top 10 next year instead of a tweener pick in the teens this year

[AtheJ415]

I just don't think Whiteside makes any sense for a team like Phoenix. We are rebuilding around 19-24 year olds, so trading for Whiteside, who is much older than them, is odd, particularly for bigs who tend to break down earlier than guards. Also, he removes our max cap space, so we also lose the chance to sign a max guy in the offseason. Thus, I don't know that I personally would trade either the Phoenix pick (which I think will be top 5 without Whiteside on the team) or Jackson (a recent top 5 pick) for Whiteside.

[BobbieL]

I can't believe some of these proposals that I'm reading. George Hill? Trading to get Goran, who publicly demanded a trade and would probably go ring chasing at the end of his deal since he'll be old by then? Mike Conley? Not to mention all of these guys remove the possibility of a max player over the next 2 offseasons. That is just insane. None of them get us into the playoffs even as the 8 seed, and each costs us the chance to take a longshot pursuit of someone like Cousins or Capela or whoever (and I'd rather take the longshot at either of those guys than pay Mike Conley $30 mil a year and George Hill $20 mil a year).

The real truth here is that we don't NEED to get a PG to pair with Booker this year. It would be nice if there was one who didn't cost a lot to get and who had a low or expiring salary, but that guy doesn't exist. Furthermore, the most valuable SG in basketball is James Harden, who was also asked to create for and carry an NBA offense in a PG-like fashion, which turned him into the player he is now. While it might not be fair to make Booker do that at 21, it will allow him to develop on that end and in that fashion. The whole, "New Kobe" mantra has been misguided. Kobe would not be THAT valuable in the league today relative to a guy like Harden. We should want him to become Harden, and in my opinion he has shown enough playmaking to potentially become that.

All of that is besides the point that we really do need a top 5 pick this season, so adding a PG who helps us win today isn't necessarily great for us. Getting one of Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba is a big freaking deal for this team. Besides that, we still need Ulis to get his minutes and improve since he is probably our future long-term 2nd PG no matter what happens. We can address starting PG this upcoming offseason for a bargain vet or through the draft or both. That Miami pick should let us to get somebody like Sexton or Young, who I like. Duval also is there. None are sure things but all have the potential to be a starting 1 in the league. If Sexton is projected to go 7th or so like he currently is, we can always package the Miami and Milwaukee picks to move up if needed.

I agree the Suns need a top 5 pick this coming draft - the names you mention would be adding that last game changer

But I also don't think Booker is ready to be James Harden. I think he needs to be a 2 guard first and really get better at that, defense, etc.

So, a guy like George Hill for the rest of this year and next year would be solid for Booker at the PG

Yes, might be taking a risk of winning more games but not sure how many more. George Hill is probably better than Ulis/James - but he is not an all star. I just don't see the team jumping from say projection of 26 wins or so up to 35 with Hill.

Monroe/Daniels for Hill -if they want a second rounder, give them Torontos

[Desertfox]

Well the last time we had a team full of promising youngsters and got a former Sun, foreign-born, 31yo veteran PG, it turned out quite well. Catch lightning in the bottle twice?

[AtheJ415]

I can't believe some of these proposals that I'm reading. George Hill? Trading to get Goran, who publicly demanded a trade and would probably go ring chasing at the end of his deal since he'll be old by then? Mike Conley? Not to mention all of these guys remove the possibility of a max player over the next 2 offseasons. That is just insane. None of them get us into the playoffs even as the 8 seed, and each costs us the chance to take a longshot pursuit of someone like Cousins or Capela or whoever (and I'd rather take the longshot at either of those guys than pay Mike Conley $30 mil a year and George Hill $20 mil a year).

The real truth here is that we don't NEED to get a PG to pair with Booker this year. It would be nice if there was one who didn't cost a lot to get and who had a low or expiring salary, but that guy doesn't exist. Furthermore, the most valuable SG in basketball is James Harden, who was also asked to create for and carry an NBA offense in a PG-like fashion, which turned him into the player he is now. While it might not be fair to make Booker do that at 21, it will allow him to develop on that end and in that fashion. The whole, "New Kobe" mantra has been misguided. Kobe would not be THAT valuable in the league today relative to a guy like Harden. We should want him to become Harden, and in my opinion he has shown enough playmaking to potentially become that.

All of that is besides the point that we really do need a top 5 pick this season, so adding a PG who helps us win today isn't necessarily great for us. Getting one of Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba is a big freaking deal for this team. Besides that, we still need Ulis to get his minutes and improve since he is probably our future long-term 2nd PG no matter what happens. We can address starting PG this upcoming offseason for a bargain vet or through the draft or both. That Miami pick should let us to get somebody like Sexton or Young, who I like. Duval also is there. None are sure things but all have the potential to be a starting 1 in the league. If Sexton is projected to go 7th or so like he currently is, we can always package the Miami and Milwaukee picks to move up if needed.

I agree the Suns need a top 5 pick this coming draft - the names you mention would be adding that last game changer

But I also don't think Booker is ready to be James Harden. I think he needs to be a 2 guard first and really get better at that, defense, etc.

So, a guy like George Hill for the rest of this year and next year would be solid for Booker at the PG

Yes, might be taking a risk of winning more games but not sure how many more. George Hill is probably better than Ulis/James - but he is not an all star. I just don't see the team jumping from say projection of 26 wins or so up to 35 with Hill.

Monroe/Daniels for Hill -if they want a second rounder, give them Torontos

George Hill is not a game changer or the last guy though. You also lose the ability to do anything in FA by absorbing his 20 mil.

Here is the net effect of adding George hill: lose any chance at a max FA for 2 offseasons, lose out on a top 5 pick this year, and all to win enough games to get us to maybe the 8th pick of the draft (nowhere near the 8 seed).

He actively prevents us from maximizing the chances of drafting a star while eliminating the chance of signing one and lowering the chances of trading for one due to the lack of cap flexibility. None of that makes sense.

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[jcsunsfan]

I think that DAR might be attainable. The Nets have Lin and Dinwiddie is looking like a good guard. The Nets need to rebuild and need multiple assets. Warren and a couple first round picks might get it done.


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[Saberestar]

I think that DAR might be attainable. The Nets have Lin and Dinwiddie is looking like a good guard. The Nets need to rebuild and need multiple assets. Warren and a couple first round picks might get it done.

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