Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[nrok10307]

LMAO you are talking about this like he is recovering from shoulder surgery on a torn rotator cuff, or has an AC joint sprain, you know, the same injury that Mcconnell is going to miss only 3 games from.. an injury that he heard pop and was in EXTREME pain.. enough pain to know he couldn't keep playing

now compare that to fultz who was playing the first 4 games and it wasnt until the giant **** storm about his shot came about that he suddenly became hurt enough to miss all these weeks...

so you are talking about him missing all of his first season if that's what it takes on an injury that is pure BS?

lmao

I’m saying that his shoulder being hurt has screwed up his shot, and I don’t see any point in playing him until that shot gets back to normal. Pretty simple.


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which injury we talking about? the one that was so minimal that the 76ers said he could play through it and heal at the same time? or the one that showed 0 issues with an xray and an MRI?

which specific injury that requires 6 weeks and possibly indefinite amount of time to heal from are we talking about?

Have you ever had a deep thigh contusion (charlie horse) or even a sprained ankle? Both of those are show zero issues with an xray or MRI but are a lot of pain and take time to heal. Just because someone doesnt have a broken bone or need surgery doesnt mean there isnt a physical ailment.

[cksdayoff]

the last 8 pages of this thread has been down right embarrassing

[long range bomber]

Whats the recovery time for the yips?

[PhilasFinest]

Colangelo on Fultz: "The soreness is completely gone. The muscle imbalance is completely gone."

Says there's no timeline on his return, but "we anticipate that the end is near."

I hope the end is near, means him being out and not the end of his season.

[Sixers2125]

Colangelo on Fultz: "The soreness is completely gone. The muscle imbalance is completely gone."

Says there's no timeline on his return, but "we anticipate that the end is near."

I hope the end is near, means him being out and not the end of his season.

Sounds like he just needs to get back into game shape now. I could see Christmas being his first game back.

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[PhilasFinest]

Colangelo on Fultz: "The soreness is completely gone. The muscle imbalance is completely gone."

Says there's no timeline on his return, but "we anticipate that the end is near."

I hope the end is near, means him being out and not the end of his season.

Sounds like he just needs to get back into game shape now. I could see Christmas being his first game back.

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I hope so.

[Negrodamus]

Colangelo on Fultz: "The soreness is completely gone. The muscle imbalance is completely gone."

Says there's no timeline on his return, but "we anticipate that the end is near."

I hope the end is near, means him being out and not the end of his season.

Sounds like he just needs to get back into game shape now. I could see Christmas being his first game back.

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Send him to the G-League for conditioning!

[Simmons25]

Read on Twitter

This org man....wth. This is great news yet they've been in a bunker acting like there is something to hide....zzzz

But have they? I mean they have given us an update at almost exactly the time they promised they would... what else are we looking for? Daily updates?

[Kolkmania]

Read on Twitter

This org man....wth. This is great news yet they've been in a bunker acting like there is something to hide....zzzz

But have they? I mean they have given us an update at almost exactly the time they promised they would... what else are we looking for? Daily updates?

Exactly, blame them whenever they screw up, but in this case they've communicated well imo. This Sunday would be the 3 weeks mark, which means they kept their promise. He's recovered well and I assume he can focus on the basketball part now and refind his confidence in his shot, work on his conditioning, etc. It's been a loooong time since he played consistently for Washington.

any of you still want to chastise anyone who says what a pathetic joke this franchise is? and if you think at this point fultz has no part of it, you are freaking crazy

every timetable for our non superstar/high draft pick players is clear and accurate... fultz doesn't even have a legit serious injury that even shows up on a scan.. and this **** is going on

this franchise I worry is legit going to ruin all these star players we have acquired, they are going to find a way to **** this all up, I can just **** see it now

this team is a JOKE

dont question how I can say they are a joke while rooting for them, it's just calling a spade a spade

joke ass 76ers org

Kawhi Leonard has been injured all season and there were zero reports about his condition until recently. Do you dare to call the Spurs incompetent?

I don't defend BC or whatever, but all this hysteria is complete nonsense.

[KrazySixersD]

This org man....wth. This is great news yet they've been in a bunker acting like there is something to hide....zzzz

But have they? I mean they have given us an update at almost exactly the time they promised they would... what else are we looking for? Daily updates?

Exactly, blame them whenever they screw up, but in this case they've communicated well imo. This Sunday would be the 3 weeks mark, which means they kept their promise. He's recovered well and I assume he can focus on the basketball part now and refind his confidence in his shot, work on his conditioning, etc. It's been a loooong time since he played consistently for Washington.

any of you still want to chastise anyone who says what a pathetic joke this franchise is? and if you think at this point fultz has no part of it, you are freaking crazy

every timetable for our non superstar/high draft pick players is clear and accurate... fultz doesn't even have a legit serious injury that even shows up on a scan.. and this **** is going on

this franchise I worry is legit going to ruin all these star players we have acquired, they are going to find a way to **** this all up, I can just **** see it now

this team is a JOKE

dont question how I can say they are a joke while rooting for them, it's just calling a spade a spade

joke ass 76ers org

Kawhi Leonard has been injured all season and there were zero reports about his condition until recently. Do you dare to call the Spurs incompetent?

I don't defend BC or whatever, but all this hysteria is complete nonsense.

why do people always find an outlier and then compare? The spurs are a model of perfection pretty much. Of course I am not going to crucify them over Leonard. This isnt the 1st or 2nd instance from the sixers of incompetence, it is 1 of many examples

two totally different situations

[Kolkmania]

why do people always find an outlier and then compare? The spurs are a model of perfection pretty much. Of course I am not going to crucify them over Leonard. This isnt the 1st or 2nd instance from the sixers of incompetence, it is 1 of many examples

two totally different situations

I know the Sixers have screwed up in the past, but what makes you feel so angry with their reporting this time? If it's the misdiagnosis then it's quite late to react to that, that ship has sailed at this point. You're not denying an injury do you? The muscular imbalance thing makes perfect sense.

Board becomes really hard to follow with all the Markelle Fultz hate, Brett Brown accusations after every loss and you ranting for whatever reason is exemplary.

[KrazySixersD]

why do people always find an outlier and then compare? The spurs are a model of perfection pretty much. Of course I am not going to crucify them over Leonard. This isnt the 1st or 2nd instance from the sixers of incompetence, it is 1 of many examples

two totally different situations

I know the Sixers have screwed up in the past, but what makes you feel so angry with their reporting this time? If it's the misdiagnosis then it's quite late to react to that, that ship has sailed at this point. You're not denying an injury do you? The muscular imbalance thing makes perfect sense.

Board becomes really hard to follow with all the Markelle Fultz hate, Brett Brown accusations after every loss and you ranting for whatever reason is exemplary.

I've explained it already in this thread a few times, don't feel like doing it again. Also the fact they came out and said there is 0 pain, 0 muscular imbalance now, and there was STILL not a single time table or update given. If those issues are gone, he should be at the very least practicing now with the team, it was reported 2 weeks ago he was going to start doing bball activities... aka sounds like they were going to have him shoot to make sure they pain stays away, and it apparently did, and yet here we are with still no time table.

That once again tells me there is ALSO an issue with fultz shot/mental state

usually when you are 100% recovered, you come back... but nope, not fultz

[Kolkmania]

why do people always find an outlier and then compare? The spurs are a model of perfection pretty much. Of course I am not going to crucify them over Leonard. This isnt the 1st or 2nd instance from the sixers of incompetence, it is 1 of many examples

two totally different situations

I know the Sixers have screwed up in the past, but what makes you feel so angry with their reporting this time? If it's the misdiagnosis then it's quite late to react to that, that ship has sailed at this point. You're not denying an injury do you? The muscular imbalance thing makes perfect sense.

Board becomes really hard to follow with all the Markelle Fultz hate, Brett Brown accusations after every loss and you ranting for whatever reason is exemplary.

I've explained it already in this thread a few times, don't feel like doing it again. Also the fact they came out and said there is 0 pain, 0 muscular imbalance now, and there was STILL not a single time table or update given. If those issues are gone, he should be at the very least practicing now with the team, it was reported 2 weeks ago he was going to start doing bball activities... aka sounds like they were going to have him shoot to make sure they pain stays away, and it apparently did, and yet here we are with still no time table.

That once again tells me there is ALSO an issue with fultz shot/mental state

usually when you are 100% recovered, you come back... but nope, not fultz

Medical update 19 November:

"Philadelphia 76ers guard Markelle Fultz was examined and evaluated today by Dr. Ben Kibler, Medical Director of the Shoulder Center of Kentucky at the Lexington Clinic, for the soreness and scapular muscle imbalance that he has been experiencing in his right shoulder. The soreness is dissipating and the muscle balance is improving, and Fultz will continue with physiotherapy and begin progressing toward full basketball activities. Fultz will be re-evaluated in approximately two to three weeks. His return to gameplay will be determined by how the shoulder responds to progressive basketball training and practices in the interim."

Now nearly three weeks later, the soreness and muscular imbalance are gone, instead of "disspating" and "improving", so from now on he will work on his return. What do you expect from them now, do you want an exact date of his return date?
Because I can assure you, part of this IS a mental issue, which is completely normal if you've been fighting through an injury for months. Let the kid cure and regain his confidence, him becoming the best prospect he can be is far more important than rushing him back for the sake of it. Giving a date will only put pressure on him and gives the media an opportunity to wonder what went wrong etc when he's not completely ready at that time.

Also keep in mind that he's absolutely not in match conditioning at this point. Even if he's completely healthy at this point it will take some time to get him into shape.

[LloydFree]

100% pain free. Should be seeing the next James Harden pretty soon...

[phiphan]

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Kolk, maybe you've done this before, but what's your take on Fultz's catch-and-shoot form from 3 (pre-shouldergate)? Is it promising or does it need major reworking?

[KrazySixersD]

I know the Sixers have screwed up in the past, but what makes you feel so angry with their reporting this time? If it's the misdiagnosis then it's quite late to react to that, that ship has sailed at this point. You're not denying an injury do you? The muscular imbalance thing makes perfect sense.

Board becomes really hard to follow with all the Markelle Fultz hate, Brett Brown accusations after every loss and you ranting for whatever reason is exemplary.

I've explained it already in this thread a few times, don't feel like doing it again. Also the fact they came out and said there is 0 pain, 0 muscular imbalance now, and there was STILL not a single time table or update given. If those issues are gone, he should be at the very least practicing now with the team, it was reported 2 weeks ago he was going to start doing bball activities... aka sounds like they were going to have him shoot to make sure they pain stays away, and it apparently did, and yet here we are with still no time table.

That once again tells me there is ALSO an issue with fultz shot/mental state

usually when you are 100% recovered, you come back... but nope, not fultz

Medical update 19 November:

"Philadelphia 76ers guard Markelle Fultz was examined and evaluated today by Dr. Ben Kibler, Medical Director of the Shoulder Center of Kentucky at the Lexington Clinic, for the soreness and scapular muscle imbalance that he has been experiencing in his right shoulder. The soreness is dissipating and the muscle balance is improving, and Fultz will continue with physiotherapy and begin progressing toward full basketball activities. Fultz will be re-evaluated in approximately two to three weeks. His return to gameplay will be determined by how the shoulder responds to progressive basketball training and practices in the interim."

Now nearly three weeks later, the soreness and muscular imbalance are gone, instead of "disspating" and "improving", so from now on he will work on his return. What do you expect from them now, do you want an exact date of his return date?
Because I can assure you, part of this IS a mental issue, which is completely normal if you've been fighting through an injury for months. Let the kid cure and regain his confidence, him becoming the best prospect he can be is far more important than rushing him back for the sake of it. Giving a date will only put pressure on him and gives the media an opportunity to wonder what went wrong etc when he's not completely ready at that time.

Also keep in mind that he's absolutely not in match conditioning at this point. Even if he's completely healthy at this point it will take some time to get him into shape.

If you are also admitting that there is a mental issue with fultz, then again my point is justified. If you are a number 1 overall pick, you should not be afraid to shoot or show off your shot. One thing I will give ben credit for is there is zero look of fear or worry when he steps up for FTs, even though he probably knows he's likely to miss. He doesn't show it

if fultz is seriously having any mental issues at all, then thats a problem for me. That is not an alpha

[snoopdogg88]

I’ve never in my life seen a number 1 overall pick with so many red flags surrounding him.

This dude should be like dominating. And now our expectations are so low we just want to see him shoot a basketball like a normal human being

[LloydFree]

I’ve never in my life seen a number 1 overall pick with so many red flags surrounding him.

This dude should be like dominating. And now our expectations are so low we just want to see him shoot a basketball like a normal human being

Red flags. Yes. Dominating? No. No 19 year old is likely to dominate. The Red flags have been glaring since last season though.

[Kolkmania]

I've explained it already in this thread a few times, don't feel like doing it again. Also the fact they came out and said there is 0 pain, 0 muscular imbalance now, and there was STILL not a single time table or update given. If those issues are gone, he should be at the very least practicing now with the team, it was reported 2 weeks ago he was going to start doing bball activities... aka sounds like they were going to have him shoot to make sure they pain stays away, and it apparently did, and yet here we are with still no time table.

That once again tells me there is ALSO an issue with fultz shot/mental state

usually when you are 100% recovered, you come back... but nope, not fultz

Medical update 19 November:

"Philadelphia 76ers guard Markelle Fultz was examined and evaluated today by Dr. Ben Kibler, Medical Director of the Shoulder Center of Kentucky at the Lexington Clinic, for the soreness and scapular muscle imbalance that he has been experiencing in his right shoulder. The soreness is dissipating and the muscle balance is improving, and Fultz will continue with physiotherapy and begin progressing toward full basketball activities. Fultz will be re-evaluated in approximately two to three weeks. His return to gameplay will be determined by how the shoulder responds to progressive basketball training and practices in the interim."

Now nearly three weeks later, the soreness and muscular imbalance are gone, instead of "disspating" and "improving", so from now on he will work on his return. What do you expect from them now, do you want an exact date of his return date?
Because I can assure you, part of this IS a mental issue, which is completely normal if you've been fighting through an injury for months. Let the kid cure and regain his confidence, him becoming the best prospect he can be is far more important than rushing him back for the sake of it. Giving a date will only put pressure on him and gives the media an opportunity to wonder what went wrong etc when he's not completely ready at that time.

Also keep in mind that he's absolutely not in match conditioning at this point. Even if he's completely healthy at this point it will take some time to get him into shape.

If you are also admitting that there is a mental issue with fultz, then again my point is justified. If you are a number 1 overall pick, you should not be afraid to shoot or show off your shot. One thing I will give ben credit for is there is zero look of fear or worry when he steps up for FTs, even though he probably knows he's likely to miss. He doesn't show it

if fultz is seriously having any mental issues at all, then thats a problem for me. That is not an alpha

You were ranting about the Sixers being a joke for screwing up, making up injuries and ruining our star players, Fultz not being an alpha might be true, but not relevant in this case.

Obviously I don't know what's going since I don't have inside information. But my best guess is that a physical injury is the main reason and because of the gradual increase of severity it has an effect on the mental side as well.

He's chosen as the number one pick because he's an incredible off the dribble shooter,a creative dribbler and passer, has enormous arms for his size and is the perfect fit for our two other young studs. Not because he's a superhuman who should be unaffected by any circumstance which prevents him from playing on his absolute top level.

[KrazySixersD]

I'm not asking him to come in and play immediate top level basketball... I'm asking that he come in and play period, and not be affected by what people say about him or his shot

there's zero reason he isnt practicing and playing limited minutes right now if he is 100% symptom free which they have said he is... instead of even saying we will let him practice for a week and then be game ready off the bench, they still had to say no timetable, and that reason in my OPINION is because they know he is still being a mental baby right now and scared