Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[316Hornets]

This is an easy yes from me...this squad is going nowhere, we are giftwrapped expirings for a guy who hasn’t done anything for 2 years and is signed for another 2 years after this, and y’all say no?!? Haha that is crazy to me...let’s blow this up...trade Batum and MKG next!

I'd say Marv is playing the best out of anybody besides Kemba. He fills his role well and I'm pretty sure we can trade him and get some type of value besides expirings.

I know you can’t solely use a stat line to determine the value of a player. However if your saying Marvin is our 2nd best player right now, we gotta problem. He’s a averaging 9 points, 4 rebounds and 1 assist. If we honestly could get more than expirings for him right now, we need to pull the trigger on that trade ASAP

I'm just saying, of all the guys to trade, Marv would be down near the bottom of the list for me. His contract isn't that bad and he has the 2nd highest BPM of his career right now. Only way that trade makes sense of wright is if we were tanking and that's just not the case.

Now, if they were offering a legit backup PG and Wright, I'd be interested. But, why would we trade one of our best performing pieces for nothing? Wright played a total of 40 games the last 2 years... he would not help us at all.

[BuzzCity]

I'm just saying, of all the guys to trade, Marv would be down near the bottom of the list for me. His contract isn't that bad and he has the 2nd highest BPM of his career right now. Only way that trade makes sense of wright is if we were tanking and that's just not the case.

Now, if they were offering a legit backup PG and Wright, I'd be interested. But, why would we trade one of our best performing pieces for nothing? Wright played a total of 40 games the last 2 years... he would not help us at all.

I guess it’s a matter of helping the team now or rebuilding...as much as I’m disgusted at the thought of another rebuild, I think one is needed...so yea my idea of a good trade right now is determined on freeing up cap space and/or getting picks...not what can I get that will help is this year

[yosemiteben]

I think it's pretty clear what we need - more guys in the rotation who can move the ball, spread the floor, and play D. Kemba fits the bill, sometimes Batum and Frank does, Lamb does so far this season, and Marv does. That's not enough, and our sometimes guys need to be all the time guys.

MCW is a problem, but him being a problem is exacerbated by playing him next to Bacon who doesn't spread the floor and is not a good creator with his passes. We have 1.5 shooters in our current second unit, which isn't enough, and Lamb is not a C&S guy which makes it even harder to build a dynamic offense.

MCW will work if he's just a facilitator, but right now we need more scoring options on the second unit. One of Bacon or MCW has to get swapped with Monk, and I think it clearly needs to be Bacon.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I think it's pretty clear what we need - more guys in the rotation who can move the ball, spread the floor, and play D. Kemba fits the bill, sometimes Batum and Frank does, Lamb does so far this season, and Marv does. That's not enough, and our sometimes guys need to be all the time guys.

MCW is a problem, but him being a problem is exacerbated by playing him next to Bacon who doesn't spread the floor and is not a good creator with his passes. We have 1.5 shooters in our current second unit, which isn't enough, and Lamb is not a C&S guy which makes it even harder to build a dynamic offense.

MCW will work if he's just a facilitator, but right now we need more scoring options on the second unit. One of Bacon or MCW has to get swapped with Monk, and I think it clearly needs to be Bacon.

Moving the ball is good, but it's not clear to me if the problem with passing is due to the personnel (team passed more with just MKG and no Batum a few years ago), offense (Cliff), or lack of fit/trust/teamwork. Super hard for me to tell ATM.

And MCW's problems have NOTHING to do with playing with Bacon. He was just as bad on the floor when he was playing alongside Kemba with Bacon nowhere in sight. The thing is that he plays like a shooter, driving and taking open shots ... but he just can't make them. He actually takes shots away from other guys when he is on the floor to their detriment, since he is looking for his own shot on many possession as opposed to looking to set up the offense. I'm firmly of the opinion that MCW will never work as a facilitator unless he makes major changes to the way he has played so far in the league.

[Bassman]

All of this adds up to bad decisions made for players (those signed and those extended). Bad coaching and input on players also. Cho and coaches all must go. Total rebuild. Make trades if possible to gain youth, picks and cap space. Nobody protected, but building with youth means giving Monk and Bacon minutes and learning. Hate it, but this team is going nowhere.

[316Hornets]

At this point, we've got to just call up every team in the league and look for any type of trade, outside of Kemba. It can't get any worse.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

What's up, guys? Would you give up Monk to dump Batum's contract?

[Diop]

What's up, guys? Would you give up Monk to dump Batum's contract?

Nope, I won't say he's untradeable, but we would need some good value coming back. Like a good young player not named Hezonja

[HornetJail]

What's up, guys? Would you give up Monk to dump Batum's contract?

hell no. have to think we're close to rebuilding, and that's the exact opposite of what a rebuilding team does

[yosemiteben]

MKG + MCW for George Hill + SAC 2019 1st

It's come to this.

[HornetJail]

I'd be all over a 2019 1st from Sacramento if they hadn't already traded that exact pick just to dump Nik Stauskas

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Interestingly they do have a 2019 pick, just not their own, so they can trade a 2020 pick of which they have 2.

[Joest2003]

Batum and Frank for Randle and Clarkson

[yosemiteben]

I'd be all over a 2019 1st from Sacramento if they hadn't already traded that exact pick just to dump Nik Stauskas

Ha whoops

George Hill is my dream fit for this team.

[JDR720]

I wouldnt do that. Hill makes 18-20m per year for 3 years. Thats way too much for a backup PG.

what about MKG + Bacon/Graham + MCW for Tyler Ulis, Dudley and Daniels (he is shooting 43% from 3 this year).

We get a young PG to develop (he is averaging 10/5 in the last 10 games on good %'s) and a sharpshooter we know. Dudley replaces MKG.

Obviously Monk/Ulis on the 2nd unit is um....not great on defense.

[316Hornets]

I wouldnt do that. Hill makes 18-20m per year for 3 years. Thats way too much for a backup PG.

what about MKG + Bacon/Graham + MCW for Tyler Ulis, Dudley and Daniels (he is shooting 43% from 3 this year).

We get a young PG to develop (he is averaging 10/5 in the last 10 games on good %'s) and a sharpshooter we know. Dudley replaces MKG.

Obviously Monk/Ulis on the 2nd unit is um....not great on defense.

I thought the same about Hill but we could actually just pay him 1 mil the third year and get out of his contract.

[bravor]

I wouldnt do that. Hill makes 18-20m per year for 3 years. Thats way too much for a backup PG.

what about MKG + Bacon/Graham + MCW for Tyler Ulis, Dudley and Daniels (he is shooting 43% from 3 this year).

We get a young PG to develop (he is averaging 10/5 in the last 10 games on good %'s) and a sharpshooter we know. Dudley replaces MKG.

Obviously Monk/Ulis on the 2nd unit is um....not great on defense.

Kemba/Hill would be a pretty good fit, better than Kemba/Monk imo (and not just from a defense point of view). But it makes no sense for the Hornets to trade anyone else than Batum for him.

And it would be an upgrade from Batum considering how he performs since last year and a half. And since nothing has changed in his game since all his talk about taking a break to summer to work on his game (supposedly), it would be better to rely on someone who wants to compete rather than someone who seems happy with everything.

Among other ideas though, Lopez (chicago) + Portis could be a good idea too as long as MKG/Cody/Kemba are not involved. If by chance (more than competitiveness obviously) the Hornets manage to get in play offs this year, MKG should remind everyone how worthy he can be. The problem has more to do with pairing him with another good defensive forward (Marvin is ok, but it's not like he is a stoper or a fierce defender).

Last but not least, Curry's little brother in Dallas could be made available too since DS is doing fine for them. No clue when he is back from injury though

[fatlever]

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[HornetJail]

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If Nic was actually healthy he would be a big time piece for any contender especially OKC

[Snidely FC]

I'd be all over a 2019 1st from Sacramento if they hadn't already traded that exact pick just to dump Nik Stauskas

Ha whoops

George Hill is my dream fit for this team.

Nic Batum for George Hill

Hill wants out & can be traded starting Fri. Nic gives Sactown the savoir faire veteran leadership they wanted from Hill. I agree with you Hill a perfect fit for this team.