What looked bleak now looks bright!

[Wizop]

not many Pacer fans thought we'd be better without PG (my son did) but even fewer would want him back now.

The recent past and his sometimes crap attitude aside, he'd be the perfect free agent from an on-court fit standpoint.

size wise. talent wise. but not temperament wise.

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[pacers33granger]

Biggest thing that has turned this season around so quickly is the attitude of everyone in the organization. Even though most of Pritchard's moves were questioned, he didn't really make a bad one and he stood by his statement that he wanted guys who want to be in Indy and want to work.

All 3 draft picks are ones fans are very happy with so far
Getting Joseph for free was an excellent move
Poythress is a nice 2 way contract guy
DC/Bojan have been good value signings

Plus we have a bit of cap space to and a roster spot (with the ability to easily make more) try to leverage closer to the deadline. Pritchard has a lot of work to still do, but we're much farther along in our retool than we expected.

[boomershadow]

not many Pacer fans thought we'd be better without PG (my son did) but even fewer would want him back now.

The recent past and his sometimes crap attitude aside, he'd be the perfect free agent from an on-court fit standpoint.

size wise. talent wise. but not temperament wise.

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I maintain that PG24 would fit this team perfectly. PG13, not so much.

[Wizop]

LOL

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[8305]

not many Pacer fans thought we'd be better without PG (my son did) but even fewer would want him back now.

The recent past and his sometimes crap attitude aside, he'd be the perfect free agent from an on-court fit standpoint.

In terms of theoretical fit he would be perfect. While not his intention he did us a solid by requesting the trade.

[Pacers_Freak]

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[Wizop]

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[basketballwacko2]

It never looked that bleak, imo. The trade return was as good as we could get given the circumstances.

Plus, we now have Kevin Pritchard instead of Larry Bird. That is enough reason for me to be happy

Well if you listened to the nay sayers on the Trade forum you'd think the Pacers gave PG away. Now I have always liked Oladipo and Sabonis. I wanted both of them in their drafts but the Pacers were not in high enough position to get them. I actually posted a trade that was similar to what happened. I suggested PG and Jefferson for Kanter, Sabonis, Oladipo and a pick. I'm not motivated enough to go back and find the post.

[basketballwacko2]

It never looked that bleak, imo. The trade return was as good as we could get given the circumstances.

but now it looks good regardless of the circumstances. not many Pacer fans thought we'd be better without PG (my son did) but even fewer would want him back now. perhaps, it never looked bleak but expectations were low and most saw this as a rebuilding year. I did think expectations were too low (when people were predicting season wins, I said I'd go 1 higher than the next highest guess) but I didn't think the team would be this fun to watch.

It is a rebuilding year regardless of our record. Making the playoffs doesn't take anything away from that

But I do agree that the team has exceeded our expectations so far. I'm a very happy camper

I had low expectations because I know it takes time when you flip 7-8 players off of last years team. Also Bojan has become a better player than he ever has been, I think brooklyn and Washington had played him at SG and he's more of a SF.

Bojan and Collison may not be in the long term plans of the Pacers but for right now they are working out well.

[Nuntius]

It never looked that bleak, imo. The trade return was as good as we could get given the circumstances.

Plus, we now have Kevin Pritchard instead of Larry Bird. That is enough reason for me to be happy

Well if you listened to the nay sayers on the Trade forum you'd think the Pacers gave PG away. Now I have always liked Oladipo and Sabonis. I wanted both of them in their drafts but the Pacers were not in high enough position to get them. I actually posted a trade that was similar to what happened. I suggested PG and Jefferson for Kanter, Sabonis, Oladipo and a pick. I'm not motivated enough to go back and find the post.

I didn't read a lot of forums when the trade went down so you're probably right.

By the way, there's no way that OKC would trade that trade you're suggesting. They not only give us two more assets than they did (Kanter and a pick) but they also take on Jefferson who is a horrible fit for them.

but now it looks good regardless of the circumstances. not many Pacer fans thought we'd be better without PG (my son did) but even fewer would want him back now. perhaps, it never looked bleak but expectations were low and most saw this as a rebuilding year. I did think expectations were too low (when people were predicting season wins, I said I'd go 1 higher than the next highest guess) but I didn't think the team would be this fun to watch.

It is a rebuilding year regardless of our record. Making the playoffs doesn't take anything away from that

But I do agree that the team has exceeded our expectations so far. I'm a very happy camper

I had low expectations because I know it takes time when you flip 7-8 players off of last years team. Also Bojan has become a better player than he ever has been, I think brooklyn and Washington had played him at SG and he's more of a SF.

Bojan and Collison may not be in the long term plans of the Pacers but for right now they are working out well.

Bojan has always been that kind of player. He has been a scorer his entire life. His season so far seems identical to his stint in Brooklyn last season.

I agree with everything else you said, though.

[basketballwacko2]

It never looked that bleak, imo. The trade return was as good as we could get given the circumstances.

Plus, we now have Kevin Pritchard instead of Larry Bird. That is enough reason for me to be happy

Well if you listened to the nay sayers on the Trade forum you'd think the Pacers gave PG away. Now I have always liked Oladipo and Sabonis. I wanted both of them in their drafts but the Pacers were not in high enough position to get them. I actually posted a trade that was similar to what happened. I suggested PG and Jefferson for Kanter, Sabonis, Oladipo and a pick. I'm not motivated enough to go back and find the post.

I didn't read a lot of forums when the trade went down so you're probably right.

By the way, there's no way that OKC would trade that trade you're suggesting. They not only give us two more assets than they did (Kanter and a pick) but they also take on Jefferson who is a horrible fit for them.

It is a rebuilding year regardless of our record. Making the playoffs doesn't take anything away from that

But I do agree that the team has exceeded our expectations so far. I'm a very happy camper

I had low expectations because I know it takes time when you flip 7-8 players off of last years team. Also Bojan has become a better player than he ever has been, I think brooklyn and Washington had played him at SG and he's more of a SF.

Bojan and Collison may not be in the long term plans of the Pacers but for right now they are working out well.

Bojan has always been that kind of player. He has been a scorer his entire life. His season so far seems identical to his stint in Brooklyn last season.

I agree with everything else you said, though.

They wanted to get out of Kanters deal but they ended up making it worse, I think by taking Carmelo and giving more assets. I agree they would not have give a pick. And probably not taken Jefferson for Kanter but I did have the two guys we ended up getting.

[Nuntius]

Well if you listened to the nay sayers on the Trade forum you'd think the Pacers gave PG away. Now I have always liked Oladipo and Sabonis. I wanted both of them in their drafts but the Pacers were not in high enough position to get them. I actually posted a trade that was similar to what happened. I suggested PG and Jefferson for Kanter, Sabonis, Oladipo and a pick. I'm not motivated enough to go back and find the post.

I didn't read a lot of forums when the trade went down so you're probably right.

By the way, there's no way that OKC would trade that trade you're suggesting. They not only give us two more assets than they did (Kanter and a pick) but they also take on Jefferson who is a horrible fit for them.

I had low expectations because I know it takes time when you flip 7-8 players off of last years team. Also Bojan has become a better player than he ever has been, I think brooklyn and Washington had played him at SG and he's more of a SF.

Bojan and Collison may not be in the long term plans of the Pacers but for right now they are working out well.

Bojan has always been that kind of player. He has been a scorer his entire life. His season so far seems identical to his stint in Brooklyn last season.

I agree with everything else you said, though.

They wanted to get out of Kanters deal but they ended up making it worse, I think by taking Carmelo and giving more assets. I agree they would not have give a pick. And probably not taken Jefferson for Kanter but I did have the two guys we ended up getting.

Yep. I've seen way worse proposals in the T&T. This one ended up being sorta true as well

[Pacersike]

The recent past and his sometimes crap attitude aside, he'd be the perfect free agent from an on-court fit standpoint.

size wise. talent wise. but not temperament wise.

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I maintain that PG24 would fit this team perfectly. PG13, not so much.

PG13 none at all. Anigbogu has that number now.

PG's desire to want out had a lot to do with his lack of leadership and lack of clutchness. He was being forced to play a role he wasn't comfortable doing and he was tired of carrying that responsibility, which was too heavy for him.

He is still a great player and if he would consider the Pacers as free agent destination, it would imply he would have a positive attitude this time and Paul has always been a Robin looking for a batDipoman. It would be a perfect fit.

Especially because we have already found our starting point guard in Joseph

[Tom White]

not many Pacer fans thought we'd be better without PG (my son did) but even fewer would want him back now.

The recent past and his sometimes crap attitude aside, he'd be the perfect free agent from an on-court fit standpoint.

I think he would be a terrible on-court fit. He's a me-first ball stopping prima-donna. Doesn't fit at all with this team, and would ruin the chemistry these guys have been generating.

[Tom White]

size wise. talent wise. but not temperament wise.

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I maintain that PG24 would fit this team perfectly. PG13, not so much.

PG13 none at all. Anigbogu has that number now.

PG's desire to want out had a lot to do with his lack of leadership and lack of clutchness. He was being forced to play a role he wasn't comfortable doing and he was tired of carrying that responsibility, which was too heavy for him.

He is still a great player and if he would consider the Pacers as free agent destination, it would imply he would have a positive attitude this time and Paul has always been a Robin looking for a batDipoman. It would be a perfect fit.

Especially because we have already found our starting point guard in Joseph

Please take this with the humor in which it is intended, but.......

What color is the sky on your planet?

[Wizop]

Point guard of the future? Positionalist basketball? Say we had a tall, long, good shooting wing like Paul with a new attitude or a hit in the draft, who would sit? I think the answer is DC and the lineup would be Dipo, NewWing, Bojan, Thad, and Turner. So the point guard of the future is Victor.

This is a recent thought for me. Previously I assumed Bojan would be the first man out but his play has changed my mind. I think he's one of those players who can have a long career because his game isn't based on athleticism .

That said, you take what the draft gives you and that could change everything.

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[Pacersike]

I maintain that PG24 would fit this team perfectly. PG13, not so much.

PG13 none at all. Anigbogu has that number now.

PG's desire to want out had a lot to do with his lack of leadership and lack of clutchness. He was being forced to play a role he wasn't comfortable doing and he was tired of carrying that responsibility, which was too heavy for him.

He is still a great player and if he would consider the Pacers as free agent destination, it would imply he would have a positive attitude this time and Paul has always been a Robin looking for a batDipoman. It would be a perfect fit.

Especially because we have already found our starting point guard in Joseph

Please take this with the humor in which it is intended, but.......

What color is the sky on your planet?

Blue and Gold

[boomershadow]

Don't get me wrong. The fit is there. I just think the relationship between PG and the organization/fanbase is wrecked beyond repair. Only way I want him back is if he's willing to play third banana behind Dipo and Turner.

That said, if Pritchard really could trade a player with a year left on his contract, get very unexpected value in return, then convince that player to come back, I would be very very impressed. That would be a cold blooded Donnie Walsh type of move.

[BooomBaby]

Only way I want him back is if he's willing to play third banana behind Dipo and Turner.

That is never going to happen, and personally, I don't even want him back anymore.