This Teams Issues 2017-2018

[GreekAlex]

If a star player comes on the market, SVG should do everything within reason to try and acquire them. Maybe even go a little past "within reason" to make that deal happen. Imagine this team with Kyrie Irving in place of Reggie. We probably take Boston's spot atop the east with him and Avery Bradley arguably being the best back court in the league. But, SVG couldn't get the deal done.

I agree with most everything you said but SVG & Bowers simply didn't have the ammo to get the deal done. There is no package he could have offered Cleveland to compete with Bostons.

I'd love the Pistons to acquire a star wing like Paul George to fill in the most glaring hole at SF but they haven't positioned themselves with the assets to get it done. Dream about a team with PG13s 2 way abilities and the fact Reggie would be confident to defer to him when the offense slows down rather than forcing things.

If they had drafted better or developed better and Stanley and or Henry looked like they had more upside, we as fans could get excited to speculate about cashing in assets but this current roster has nothing to offer prospective trade partners.

[Kilo]

Leuer, Boban, Stanley, Ellenson, #1 top three protected pick for Harrison Barnes.

[GreekAlex]

Leuer, Boban, Stanley, Ellenson, #1 top three protected pick for Harrison Barnes.

I'm down but why does Dallas do this?

To tank harder and get some minor assets?

[Kilo]

Leuer, Boban, Stanley, Ellenson, #1 top three protected pick for Harrison Barnes.

I'm down but why does Dallas do this?

To tank harder and get some minor assets?

Throw in Kennard.

[GreekAlex]

Leuer, Boban, Stanley, Ellenson, #1 top three protected pick for Harrison Barnes.

I'm down but why does Dallas do this?

To tank harder and get some minor assets?

Throw in Kennard.

At that point it's not worth it

[russkopp]

I'm down but why does Dallas do this?

To tank harder and get some minor assets?

Throw in Kennard.

At that point it's not worth it

Dallas would have to clear 4-5 roster spots to make that trade happen.

I played around with getting Barnes here earlier on the trade machine. Something like Leuer and Stanley to Dallas with Atlanta sending Marco Belinelli, then Boban and Henry to Atlanta and Barnes here. Multiple picks, likely all from us, would need to be involved cuz no is taking our trash players for free.

Moral of the story, we're screwed. SFs are hard to come by and SVG has swung and missed with Stanley and Henry. We have no assests other than picks.

[GreekAlex]

Throw in Kennard.

At that point it's not worth it

Dallas would have to clear 4-5 roster spots to make that trade happen.

I played around with getting Barnes here earlier on the trade machine. Something like Leuer and Stanley to Dallas with Atlanta sending Marco Belinelli, then Boban and Henry to Atlanta and Barnes here. Multiple picks, likely all from us, would need to be involved cuz no is taking our trash players for free.

Moral of the story, we're screwed. SFs are hard to come by and SVG has swung and missed with Stanley and Henry. We have no assests other than picks.

Yeah... I thought of that as well. I can't remember ever seeing a 4 for 1 deal.

Barnes isn't that thrilling anyway. It's just about moving expensive pieces that aren't being used for someone useful.

Barnes is a clear upgrade at SF but in Dallas his numbers indicate he's a volume shooter on a bad team. At 23M per for what he offers, I see him as having neutral value.

[russkopp]

At that point it's not worth it

Dallas would have to clear 4-5 roster spots to make that trade happen.

I played around with getting Barnes here earlier on the trade machine. Something like Leuer and Stanley to Dallas with Atlanta sending Marco Belinelli, then Boban and Henry to Atlanta and Barnes here. Multiple picks, likely all from us, would need to be involved cuz no is taking our trash players for free.

Moral of the story, we're screwed. SFs are hard to come by and SVG has swung and missed with Stanley and Henry. We have no assests other than picks.

Yeah... I thought of that as well. I can't remember ever seeing a 4 for 1 deal.

Barnes isn't that thrilling anyway. It's just about moving expensive pieces that aren't being used for someone useful.

Barnes is a clear upgrade at SF but in Dallas his numbers indicate he's a volume shooter on a bad team. At 23M per for what he offers, I see him as having neutral value.

Yep. We're doomed. Should've spent a few million on Omri Caspi

[GreekAlex]

Is Demarre Carrol still able to play SF and guard opposing wings?

Is it too desperate to send Boban, Leuer and a protected 1st for him?

He would get more use, knock down open 3's and provide toughness all while shedding salary.

[GreekAlex]

Dallas would have to clear 4-5 roster spots to make that trade happen.

I played around with getting Barnes here earlier on the trade machine. Something like Leuer and Stanley to Dallas with Atlanta sending Marco Belinelli, then Boban and Henry to Atlanta and Barnes here. Multiple picks, likely all from us, would need to be involved cuz no is taking our trash players for free.

Moral of the story, we're screwed. SFs are hard to come by and SVG has swung and missed with Stanley and Henry. We have no assests other than picks.

Yeah... I thought of that as well. I can't remember ever seeing a 4 for 1 deal.

Barnes isn't that thrilling anyway. It's just about moving expensive pieces that aren't being used for someone useful.

Barnes is a clear upgrade at SF but in Dallas his numbers indicate he's a volume shooter on a bad team. At 23M per for what he offers, I see him as having neutral value.

Yep. We're doomed. Should've spent a few million on Omri Caspi

Jonathon Simmons would look pretty good on the Pistons right now.

Is only SVG was obsessed with all ex-Spurs and not just their backup centers.

[Kilo]

Is Demarre Carrol still able to play SF and guard opposing wings?

Is it too desperate to send Boban, Leuer and a protected 1st for him?

He would get more use, knock down open 3's and provide toughness all while shedding salary.

I had Stanley + Leuer OR Leuer, Bullock and first rounder for Carroll on the trade board and didn't get any interest - only three replies with the lone BKLN fan rejecting both. Reasoning given is Carroll is their best player, and also being from Hawks where the Nets new coach is from he's helping institute the coaches systems and lockerroom etc.

Our best bet is probably to monitor LAC to see if they move DJ and take back more players or wing players and need size. Try to get Wesley Johnson for Boban if they need size back, or poach Sam Dekker cheaply for say Reggie Bullock and a second if they need to cut players.

[GreekAlex]

Is Demarre Carrol still able to play SF and guard opposing wings?

Is it too desperate to send Boban, Leuer and a protected 1st for him?

He would get more use, knock down open 3's and provide toughness all while shedding salary.

I had Stanley + Leuer OR Leuer, Bullock and first rounder for Carroll on the trade board and didn't get any interest - only three replies with the lone BKLN fan rejecting both. Reasoning given is Carroll is their best player, and also being from Hawks where the Nets new coach is from he's helping institute the coaches systems and lockerroom etc.

Our best bet is probably to monitor LAC to see if they move DJ and take back more players or wing players and need size. Try to get Wesley Johnson for Boban if they need size back, or poach Sam Dekker cheaply for say Reggie Bullock and a second if they need to cut players.

That makes sense. I was hoping to find a more impactful player than Wesley Johnson and I don't look at this as a good climate to develop someone like Dekker but I guess they're the Clippers equivalents of Boban & Henry.

[ImHeisenberg]

I agree with most everything you said but SVG & Bowers simply didn't have the ammo to get the deal done. There is no package he could have offered Cleveland to compete with Bostons.

I'd love the Pistons to acquire a star wing like Paul George to fill in the most glaring hole at SF but they haven't positioned themselves with the assets to get it done. Dream about a team with PG13s 2 way abilities and the fact Reggie would be confident to defer to him when the offense slows down rather than forcing things.

If they had drafted better or developed better and Stanley and or Henry looked like they had more upside, we as fans could get excited to speculate about cashing in assets but this current roster has nothing to offer prospective trade partners.

That's fair. I didn't intend to sound too critical of SVG not acquiring Irving. You're right, he couldn't beat Boston's offer by any measure.

I would even trade for PG13 on his expiring contract. Maybe RJ convinces him to re-sign and stay with his BFF? Probably wouldn't work, but I'd be in full support of the effort.

[whitehops]

trying to be realistic, the three biggest roster issues of the team for me are:

- backup C. boban is too matchup-dependent and moreland just struggles. there's a huge difference whenever dre isn't on the floor.
- SF. SJ is the only player that can reasonably guard the premier wings in the league but he hurts the team so much offensively.
- 3rd string PG. it hasn't been an issue yet but if reggie or ish go down then galloway is NOT fit to play PG in a consistent role.

i think there are other issues long-term (lack of size on the wing, mainly) but those three are things that should be fairly fixable (maybe not all three), depending on what they're willing to give up to upgrade.

[Kilo]

^Grand Rapids Drive point guard and Piston two-way contracted player Dwight Buycks would probably back-up Ish Smith. Probably with Kennard getting some minutes there as well.

Buycks is what baseball fans call a classic AAAA (Or Four A) player - one that is too good for Triple A Minor League Ball, but sucks in the Major Leagues. Buycks looks great in summer league, very good in G-League, but has had many cups of coffee in the NBA and never does anything with it.