The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[Profound23]

I would only trade Jabari to Cleveland for that Nets pick. Outside of that, I’m hoping Jabari can make a full comeback.

[MickeyDavis]

I'm really interested in what the team's plans are for Parker. Obviously they hope he comes back and plays well. If so, do they pay him and how much or trade him? As has been said you can't pay everyone. I don't see LED paying a lux tax, but who knows, if revenues from the new arena plus a winning team are there, maybe they will.

[steger_3434]

The thing with Jabari is he was becoming a top 15 offensive talent in the nba at the age of 21. People seem to have forgot that he was basically living up to his status as a great player before the draft. Now defensively yeah he wasn’t good, but he was good straight man to man. This scheme is straight garbage and I won’t use it to judge players anymore. I’d say Jabari is a top 10 offensive player and average defensive player.


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[jute2003]

The thing with Jabari is he was becoming a top 15 offensive talent in the nba at the age of 21. People seem to have forgot that he was basically living up to his status as a great player before the draft. Now defensively yeah he wasn’t good, but he was good straight man to man. This scheme is straight garbage and I won’t use it to judge players anymore. I’d say Jabari is a top 10 offensive player and average defensive player.


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I agree with most of what you said but that last sentence was ceiling before the 2nd acl. It might still be his ceiling but I don't know what the odds of him making it there are anymore.

[Rainwater]

Maybe it's time to finally trade Jabari for Crowder + youth/picks. I'd do it straight-up for Crowder and Zizic. Then you'd be locked into ~$10m in salary for 2.5 years instead of having a guy due for a big raise. I think Crowder had a crazy summer with being traded and his mom dying so there's hope for a bounce-back there. He'll only be 29 when his contract is up in 2.5 years. And Zizic could bring a much-needed element to the Bucks at a rock-bottom price (3/$8m after this year).

I could imagine including Delly for Shumpert or something like that too. Shumpert's deal is up at the same time as Mirza, Khris, Bledsoe, and Brogdon. That gives you lots of options in 2019.

You act like that offer is on the table.

CHL's obsessions: hating on Jabari and his love affair with Avery Bradly and Crowder, lol.

But I could see Cleveland doing it especially if LBJ leaves. Take a chance on Jabari and the nets pick and rebuild.

[RRyder823]

Maybe it's time to finally trade Jabari for Crowder + youth/picks. I'd do it straight-up for Crowder and Zizic. Then you'd be locked into ~$10m in salary for 2.5 years instead of having a guy due for a big raise. I think Crowder had a crazy summer with being traded and his mom dying so there's hope for a bounce-back there. He'll only be 29 when his contract is up in 2.5 years. And Zizic could bring a much-needed element to the Bucks at a rock-bottom price (3/$8m after this year).

I could imagine including Delly for Shumpert or something like that too. Shumpert's deal is up at the same time as Mirza, Khris, Bledsoe, and Brogdon. That gives you lots of options in 2019.

You act like that offer is on the table.

CHL's obsessions: hating on Jabari and his love affair with Avery Bradly and Crowder, lol.

But I could see Cleveland doing it especially if LBJ leaves. Take a chance on Jabari and the nets pick and rebuild.

I'll give CHL credit cause at least he's trying to get value for Jabari unlike the Orlando proposal.

I'm holding on to Jabari cause I still think he's our best legit chance at a championship, albeit with a massive downside possibility, but I won't begrudge someone for wanting to move him for REAL value if they could get it at this point

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[Rainwater]

I'm really interested in what the team's plans are for Parker. Obviously they hope he comes back and plays well. If so, do they pay him and how much or trade him? As has been said you can't pay everyone. I don't see LED paying a lux tax, but who knows, if revenues from the new arena plus a winning team are there, maybe they will.

If he comes back and plays well they will resign him. I always felt like the core of the team was Midds, Jabari (if he comes back healthy) and Giannis. Everybody else is expendable to keep that core together.

[Rainwater]

You act like that offer is on the table.

CHL's obsessions: hating on Jabari and his love affair with Avery Bradly and Crowder, lol.

But I could see Cleveland doing it especially if LBJ leaves. Take a chance on Jabari and the nets pick and rebuild.

I'll give CHL credit cause at least he's trying to get value for Jabari unlike the Orlando proposal.

I'm holding on to Jabari cause I still think he's our best legit chance at a championship, albeit with a massive downside possibility, but I won't begrudge someone for wanting to move him for REAL value if they could get it at this point

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No, I completely agree with you more, Jabari (and a center) is the difference between a Championship team and a playoff team. Parker is the second option we need. That is why it is vital that he comes back healthy, it would be a huge setback if he did not. I don't see how this team as currently built can beat a team like the Sixers in the future without a healthy Parker.

In regards to the CHL trade I was just stating that Cleveland would do it if they were rebuilding, i don't know if we would though.

[LogitechBucks]

You act like that offer is on the table.

CHL's obsessions: hating on Jabari and his love affair with Avery Bradly and Crowder, lol.

But I could see Cleveland doing it especially if LBJ leaves. Take a chance on Jabari and the nets pick and rebuild.

I'll give CHL credit cause at least he's trying to get value for Jabari unlike the Orlando proposal.

I'm holding on to Jabari cause I still think he's our best legit chance at a championship, albeit with a massive downside possibility, but I won't begrudge someone for wanting to move him for REAL value if they could get it at this point

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Coolhandluke is right about moving Jabari for something useful/ Jae Crowder was pretty good last year. It was his only standout year in terms of offense in his career of some 8 years. He is known as good defender and I believe he was in the past. However since Cleveland's has arguably one of the worst defenses in the league at the moment, he must bare some responsibility in that. I am not sure he isn't sliding. Maybe a change of scenery would do him good. Who knows. I don't think he fills a position of need as much as finding a competent center. He would also be a risk as his current numbers might be indicative of what we would be getting. FG% 37% 3PFT % 31.6% Steals .7pg 1,1 asst pg and 3rb pg. Now Coolhandlike also suggest another prospect which I think makes his idea stronger but doesn't deal with our three bad contracts. The deal I proposed with Orlando at least gets rid of one bad contract in Henson.

This argument about Vucevic you set for is not based on fact whatsoever. I love how people just know stuff. Making arguments with no actual facts to support the argument in my opinion is a waste of time. I posted the facts. Go back and read them. Otherwise just keep making stuff up.

[raws]

Jae Crowder sucks and is perennially overrated by this board/league-wide.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Jae Crowder sucks and is perennially overrated by this board/league-wide.

That's what happens when you go from Brad Stevens to Tyronn Lue. For the inverse, see Kyrie Irving. If people think IT is going to come back looking anything like he looked in Boston, they are going to be severely disappointed.

[LogitechBucks]

The thing with Jabari is he was becoming a top 15 offensive talent in the nba at the age of 21. People seem to have forgot that he was basically living up to his status as a great player before the draft. Now defensively yeah he wasn’t good, but he was good straight man to man. This scheme is straight garbage and I won’t use it to judge players anymore. I’d say Jabari is a top 10 offensive player and average defensive player.


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408th ranked defender out of 468 possible in advanced defensive metrics makes him an average defender? I thought if you divided 468 by two you get 234 not 408.

[mattg]

Jae Crowder sucks and is perennially overrated by this board/league-wide.

That's what happens when you go from Brad Stevens to Tyronn Lue. For the inverse, see Kyrie Irving. If people think IT is going to come back looking anything like he looked in Boston, they are going to be severely disappointed.

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Called it before the season, aside from the obvious coaching difference you could this coming with Crowder from a mile away. Slowing down and feeling himself too much, got him too far away from what made him good in the first place.

[Nowak008]

Will predict Jabari takes the court for a 10 minute stint on Friday, January 26th against the Nets at the BC.

And Khris Middleton will rupture an achilles.

[LogitechBucks]

Nothing against you but at this point I stopped reading your post. It's like you are watching the stats and not watching the game. I have seen alot of Vuc and Vucevic is LITERALLY a Monore with a jumper or even a kanter. He makes his living in the post. Vuc just recently added the three point shoot to his game. And trust me when I tell you there is a reason a terrible Magic team is so willing to trade Parker for Vuc.

I would stop reading my post to if I wanted to back up my point with generalizations and or opinions. I watch a lot of Orlando games and he is "not" the reason they are losing. He is way more athletic than Monroe, He handles the ball much better and has real form on his shot. He passes the ball better than people realize. He still gets a ton of boards even though Aaron Gordon is crashing the boards hard on every possession. You don't get 48th in overall player impact rating because you suck. Watch this and tell me if there are any comparisons to Monroe whatsoever....

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Lol you make it seem like this is video is his typical play. His defense is not the best and this won't help the bucks. He literally gets most of points in the paint and has a good mid range jumper. His three point shoot is recent. He only shot 9 3 point shoots 2 years ago and shoot 75 last year. Before then, just as Monore, he was in the paint. He does not handle the ball lol. Monroe is a better passer, that has always been one of the best part of his game. I am not saying he sucks but there is no real difference between he and Monroe other than the jumper. And Orlando is one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and Vuc is not helping apparently. They even have a thread about it on their fourm where they blame him for their woes. I live in Florida and I am telling you he is liteally a Monore, I really don't know what else to tell you.

I am consistently on that magic fourm and your love for him is greater than most magic fans.

His defense is not the best? He is 21st out of all players in this league in Defensive Advanced metrics. The Magic's defense is better when he is on the court than when he is not. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

You say he only starting shooting 3's the past two seasons. While this is a true, I see it as a positive not a negative. He is improving his game to help his team compete in the new NBA. Isn't that what professionals do? You admit he has a nice mid range jumper. Does Monroe have a consistant mid range shot? Um no....

You say Monroe is a better passer than Vucevic but stats say they are about the same in providing assists. Vucevic is averaging 3.1 assists this season. Monroe is averaging 2.6. Per 36 minutes Monroe is slightly better averaging 4.2 to Vucevic's 3.7. Thats hardly a difference worth noting. Vucevics assit level is trending upwards the past season because he is improving as a player which is what professionals should do.

Watch that viedo again and then tell me the last time you saw Monroe receive the ball at the top of the key, drive past his defender and throw it down with authority? He has never done something like that nor could he ever. These two players are not even close in their athleticism or skill set.

Vuvevic is averaging 9.1 rebounds per game in only 30 minutes per game. I'd say if Thon or Henson could do that consistently we would not be having this discussion.

As for posters on the Orlando board. My guess is Nikola is a victim of the same agenda that people here have towards Kris. Doesn't make them right.

[coolhandluke121]

I'd do the Vucevic deal if it was the best offer on the table.

[LogitechBucks]

I'd do the Vucevic deal if it was the best offer on the table.

I know you are not as high on him as I am. I just like the idea of him forcing the other team's big away from the basket. I think this makes Bledsoe and Giannis nearly unstoppable going to the basket or Vucevic gets wide open looks which he will knock down at a good percentage. You add in his cap friendly deal and I think we would be shocked how well we would play.

Defensively I don't think we would be any better but I don't think we would be any worse either. We would be better on the boards both offensively and defensively.

You add up all of that and I think its a winner.

[coolhandluke121]

I'd do the Vucevic deal if it was the best offer on the table.

I know you are not as high on him as I am. I just like the idea of him forcing the other team's big away from the basket.

I have no doubt that he would add more than Jabari to the team. I just wonder what else they could trade Jabari for. We really don't know.

[LogitechBucks]

I'd do the Vucevic deal if it was the best offer on the table.

I know you are not as high on him as I am. I just like the idea of him forcing the other team's big away from the basket.

I have no doubt that he would add more than Jabari to the team. I just wonder what else they could trade Jabari for. We really don't know.

True we don't know. I just looked at players on teams that are going no where like Orlando who might want to shake things up a bit. I also focused on our biggest need, a serious upgrade at the center position.

[midranger]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.