Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Sixerscan]

Of course there's a mental aspect. There's a mental aspect to every injury with every player who gets hurt. When you hurt your knee you have to trust running on it again. Same thing here with the shoulder, he needs to trust it to be able to shoot effectively. Needs to get comfortable being in a competitive environment. Aside from a few games, he really hasn't played basketball since early this year. We're coming up on almost a full year now of true competitive basketball. It takes time.

Don't get all the confusion, it's like people have never watched a guy come back from an injury before.

This!

Why are people so shocked it's gonna taking him a while to get back up to speed? Sounds pretty normal to me. Sounds like we don't want him back out there until he looks like UW Fultz. That's a GOOD thing. Jessica Camerato tweeted this:

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On top of that, I'm sure they're looking for him to get his original shot back. Although he probably hasn't forgotten how to shoot, his confidence might not be there.

Let's see what happens in 3 weeks. If by 3 weeks they say he's not ready, but we've seen clips of his shot either looking horrible, or great, then that'll be the determining factor of whether the Sixers organization is a recipient of my ire. Until then, you gotta have some patience.

I'm patient, but let's be clear, this isn't Embiid's navicular bone. There were clips of him being on a basketball court doing stuff with that arm a month ago. Him still needing such a long ramp up time indicates that there's something more than just getting up to speed. This is almost certainly entirely about the second thing you said, rebuilding his shot and getting his head on straight.

Again, I'm all for them taking as much time as he needs to get right, but this isn't normal.

[LongLiveHinkie]

We're extremely lucky he didn't have a serious shoulder injury. Nothing about any of these developments is a negative other than the fact he was hurt at all. People should be happy, not angry over this. This has been nothing but positive with the updates.

[cksdayoff]

I swear if this team came out and said fultz is refusing to play because hes afraid of being boo'd.. many of you would still spin it against anyone who spoke negatively of the situation

Fact is fultz and this team are a joke

but they haven't? there's literally nothing to spin here. the only people spinning anything are the ones who keep getting their panties in a bunch because fultz was out with a bum shoulder and now he's gonna be out a little bit longer to get his shot back.

[Ericb5]

I don’t understand why you complainers would even WANT him to play until he fixed his shot.

He didn’t stop playing because he had shoulder pain. He stopped because should Pain broke his shot, and he hasn’t been shooting. Now he has to fix his shot to get back on the court.

The Fultz situation is the new Okafor Noel debate.


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who wants jacob pullen playing over an one-armed fultz or even bayless as the primary ballhandler when simmons sits? i dont care if his shot is still **** up. he can fix it in practice AND games.

You don’t fix a messed up shot in games. You want him to fix it with repetition in practice. Take the long view. We want him back to where he was before this happened, and not simply to throw him out on the court before he has even shot the ball.

Even if, as many are suggesting, he has a mental issue, you want to build up his confidence before we throw him out there. This isn’t some random player here. This is a proven top prospect, and his long term development is the only thing that matters.

There will be plenty of time for him to excel or fall flat on his face.


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[BigSleep333]

yeah very positive our healthy #1 pick, which we traded a ton for is not playing at all. it was the absolute right decision to be extracautious with embiid with this stressfracture. simmons red shirt year was complete BS health-wise. they sat him for lotteryreasons and maybe simmons' agent wanted him to get that ROY. i was fine with that, despite i reeeaaally wanted to get a look at him but i was patient as in years before.

now this fultz situation is complete bananas. he is HEALTHY god damn it. and just the way things went down, i think its very plausible to think, he never had a real injury. we dont have ANY reason to not play him when hes healthy. we aint tank no more. we are tryin to make the playoffs. that "he needs time for game conditioning" is straight bs. they said, when he played the preseason and in those 4 games he doesnt had any problems except for raising his arms above his shoulders. so he had no excuse to not run or dribble the fckn ball while he wasnt playing. i could understand 1 week. but they **** said he needs 3 **** weeks to reevalute his status, despite sayin he has absolutely no pain. how on earth can anybody rationally defend that bs

[XtremeDunkz]

That timeline makes sense for players coming back from surgery and major injuries. This was soreness. SORENESS. There is no reason he couldn't work on his conditioning while rehabbing this. 3 weeks is BS. They are hiding something again.

[BigSleep333]

I don’t understand why you complainers would even WANT him to play until he fixed his shot.

He didn’t stop playing because he had shoulder pain. He stopped because should Pain broke his shot, and he hasn’t been shooting. Now he has to fix his shot to get back on the court.

The Fultz situation is the new Okafor Noel debate.


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who wants jacob pullen playing over an one-armed fultz or even bayless as the primary ballhandler when simmons sits? i dont care if his shot is still **** up. he can fix it in practice AND games.

You don’t fix a messed up shot in games. You want him to fix it with repetition in practice. Take the long view. We want him back to where he was before this happened, and not simply to throw him out on the court before he has even shot the ball.

Even if, as many are suggesting, he has a mental issue, you want to build up his confidence before we throw him out there. This isn’t some random player here. This is a proven top prospect, and his long term development is the only thing that matters.

There will be plenty of time for him to excel or fall flat on his face.


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i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

[KrazySixersD]

^ yep, preach man

There is something majorly wrong here again and its fultz himself

Absolute joke this guy is amd he 76ers

We out here trying to make the playoffs, meanwhile half our team is out hurt and gultz is over here out 2 motherfugging months over some soreness and now its gone... yet he still aint rdy

His shot is so jacked, from his own doing, amd the soreness had nothing to do with it which is apparent now.

I was wrong about saying fultz is the top prospect, and we have been fleeced by that trade, but to my defense I wasnt able to talk 1on1 wth fultz to find out if he was a weak ass minded scrub mentally, which is apparent now.

I liked tatum the next best.. and it now seems pretty bad that we went this route

[LongLiveHinkie]

who wants jacob pullen playing over an one-armed fultz or even bayless as the primary ballhandler when simmons sits? i dont care if his shot is still **** up. he can fix it in practice AND games.

You don’t fix a messed up shot in games. You want him to fix it with repetition in practice. Take the long view. We want him back to where he was before this happened, and not simply to throw him out on the court before he has even shot the ball.

Even if, as many are suggesting, he has a mental issue, you want to build up his confidence before we throw him out there. This isn’t some random player here. This is a proven top prospect, and his long term development is the only thing that matters.

There will be plenty of time for him to excel or fall flat on his face.


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i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

What does it matter? He returns when he returns, what's the rush? He needs to build back up to being at the level he was in Washington, it's been a whirlwind few months for him physically and mentally. Not sure why everyone wants him back on the court NOW.

With Embiid it was "be cautious wait wait wait" and with Fultz it's like "Omg.... we need him nowzzzz!11!!111!"

Be patient people, jeez. The Sixers will play him when he's ready to play.

[BigSleep333]

You don’t fix a messed up shot in games. You want him to fix it with repetition in practice. Take the long view. We want him back to where he was before this happened, and not simply to throw him out on the court before he has even shot the ball.

Even if, as many are suggesting, he has a mental issue, you want to build up his confidence before we throw him out there. This isn’t some random player here. This is a proven top prospect, and his long term development is the only thing that matters.

There will be plenty of time for him to excel or fall flat on his face.


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i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

What does it matter? He returns when he returns, what's the rush? He needs to build back up to being at the level he was in Washington, it's been a whirlwind few months for him physically and mentally. Not sure why everyone wants him back on the court NOW.

With Embiid it was "be cautious wait wait wait" and with Fultz it's like "Omg.... we need him nowzzzz!11!!111!"

Be patient people, jeez. The Sixers will play him when he's ready to play.

rush? we are 2 weeks away form christmas lmao. for a fkcin soreness. you the one constantly cryin in gamethreads how bad we are and how boring (latest example the lakers game) we play. and of all people you are asking why we want so see fultz badly with those crapoptions we have left at the guard-positions? really?

embiid had a real serious injury and this guy is a freakin monster. we were in tanking mode too, so he would have hurt our lottoballs too.

im absolutely cool with that patient-approach now for furkan korkmaz. not the freakin #1 pick who had soreness and got already plenty of rest

[LongLiveHinkie]

i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

What does it matter? He returns when he returns, what's the rush? He needs to build back up to being at the level he was in Washington, it's been a whirlwind few months for him physically and mentally. Not sure why everyone wants him back on the court NOW.

With Embiid it was "be cautious wait wait wait" and with Fultz it's like "Omg.... we need him nowzzzz!11!!111!"

Be patient people, jeez. The Sixers will play him when he's ready to play.

rush? we are 2 weeks awaqy form christman lmao. for a fkcin soreness. you the one constantly cryin in gamethreads how bad we are and how boring (latest example the lakers game) we play. and of all people you are asking why we want so see fultz badly with those crapoptions we have left at the guard-positions? really?

embiid had a real serious injury and this guy is a freakin monster. we were in tanking mode too, so he would have hurt our lottoballs too.

im absolutely cool with that approach for furkan korkmaz. not the freakin #1 pick who had soreness

HE'S. NOT. READY.

They will play him when he's ready, what part about that don't you understand. If they bring him back now he's going to suck, and what good will it be to rush him back just to "see him on the court."

They will play him when he's well enough physically and mentally to be a strong contributor and not a second before.

And I'm not the one being the hypocrite lol. All people tell me in GDT's is how this season doesn't mean anything, we weren't gonna win the title anyway, and now everyone is in a rush to bring a guy back who isn't ready. Please. You are frustrated because it's another year with an injured top pick and so many of you are being crybabies about it. Reality sucks sometimes. He's not ready to play. Deal with it.

[Ericb5]

who wants jacob pullen playing over an one-armed fultz or even bayless as the primary ballhandler when simmons sits? i dont care if his shot is still **** up. he can fix it in practice AND games.

You don’t fix a messed up shot in games. You want him to fix it with repetition in practice. Take the long view. We want him back to where he was before this happened, and not simply to throw him out on the court before he has even shot the ball.

Even if, as many are suggesting, he has a mental issue, you want to build up his confidence before we throw him out there. This isn’t some random player here. This is a proven top prospect, and his long term development is the only thing that matters.

There will be plenty of time for him to excel or fall flat on his face.


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i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

His injury messed up his shot. Now he has to show that his shot isn’t messed up anymore before he can play. It’s pretty simple.

The fact that you want him to play before he has shot the basketball makes no sense. You can argue that he should have been shooting anyway, but he hasn’t been.

I’m not defending the organization here. I’m simply trying to get him back to where he was in the summer. If he proves that his shot is back to normal without any pain then he will and should be playing.

My point about him being a top prospect is that he is considered a big part of our future. This isn’t a Holmes, or Grant situation. We are invested in this kid for the long haul. We just paid a very high price for him, and we want to do whatever helps him succeed.




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[BigSleep333]

healthy but not ready to play doesnt calm me one **** down. have to say, i hated the trade from day one, had and have my doubts with his shooting, but you are right. this weird crap frustrates the **** out of me, and it starts with sam hinkies departure

[Mik317]

3 weeks seems like overkill. But what else is new with this franchise.

Honestly I want Fultz back ASAP so we can **** move on and get some actual tape on him so people who never liked him using anything to validate can have something else to talk about (also will be fun to see the double standard in play from both camps) and the people who panic over **** everything can move on to the next crisis (probably Fultz looking like a rookie).

I am just tired of the level of discourse on this board lately. Some of yall take all the joy out of this for me...

[LloydFree]

^ yep, preach man

There is something majorly wrong here again and its fultz himself

Absolute joke this guy is amd he 76ers

We out here trying to make the playoffs, meanwhile half our team is out hurt and gultz is over here out 2 motherfugging months over some soreness and now its gone... yet he still aint rdy

His shot is so jacked, from his own doing, amd the soreness had nothing to do with it which is apparent now.

I was wrong about saying fultz is the top prospect, and we have been fleeced by that trade, but to my defense I wasnt able to talk 1on1 wth fultz to find out if he was a weak ass minded scrub mentally, which is apparent now.

I liked tatum the next best.. and it now seems pretty bad that we went this route

LOL

[LongLiveHinkie]

If you can shoot you can shoot. Shooting is like more innate ability than it is mechanics and form. Fultz has the innate ability to be a great shooter, once he gets his mechanics readjusted he's going to be fine. The shot is the least of any worries with him(which are few). His lack of elite athleticism was always the biggest "worry" but guys like Harden, Nash, etc show you don't need it. He's going to be the best player in this draft, just give it time.

You guys really need to stay off social media, you're letting the Boston propaganda machine get to you. Don't you get that city lives off propaganda? Everything is overhyped with every single team. They do it to overcompensate for their lack of talent. Jayson Tatum on the Sixers would have been a perennial bench player. He's not a starter on a contending team. You don't take bench players with the #3 overall pick unless you're Danny DerAinged.

You guys seriously need to let that trade thing go already. The trade is done. We got Fultz. Some whining and deal with it.

[BigSleep333]

You don’t fix a messed up shot in games. You want him to fix it with repetition in practice. Take the long view. We want him back to where he was before this happened, and not simply to throw him out on the court before he has even shot the ball.

Even if, as many are suggesting, he has a mental issue, you want to build up his confidence before we throw him out there. This isn’t some random player here. This is a proven top prospect, and his long term development is the only thing that matters.

There will be plenty of time for him to excel or fall flat on his face.


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i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

His injury messed up his shot. Now he has to show that his shot isn’t messed up anymore before he can play. It’s pretty simple.

The fact that you want him to play before he has shot the basketball makes no sense. You can argue that he should have been shooting anyway, but he hasn’t been.

I’m not defending the organization here. I’m simply trying to get him back to where he was in the summer. If he proves that his shot is back to normal without any pain then he will and should be playing.

My point about him being a top prospect is that he is considered a big part of our future. This isn’t a Holmes, or Grant situation. We are invested in this kid for the long haul. We just paid a very high price for him, and we want to do whatever helps him succeed.




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oh cmon. u really believe he hasnt shot a basketball before they gave a press release that he is painfree? never heard of something like a fully healed injury changed a good shooter to an abysmal.

[Ericb5]

i thought he was injured and thats the only reason his shot is **** up? if his pain is gone, we should see immediately his normal stroke again. so whats up. dont tell me both is true. either he was injured and thats why his shot is broke or he never had an injury and this shoulder-stuff was an excuse a) for him not bein embarrassed and b) for BC, to not look like the godfather of fools with that trade.

oh and btw.. proven top prospect? because of what? just like okafor? or evan turner?

His injury messed up his shot. Now he has to show that his shot isn’t messed up anymore before he can play. It’s pretty simple.

The fact that you want him to play before he has shot the basketball makes no sense. You can argue that he should have been shooting anyway, but he hasn’t been.

I’m not defending the organization here. I’m simply trying to get him back to where he was in the summer. If he proves that his shot is back to normal without any pain then he will and should be playing.

My point about him being a top prospect is that he is considered a big part of our future. This isn’t a Holmes, or Grant situation. We are invested in this kid for the long haul. We just paid a very high price for him, and we want to do whatever helps him succeed.




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oh cmon. u really believe he hasnt shot a basketball before they gave a press release that he is painfree? never heard of something like a fully healed injury changed a good shooter to an abysmal.

I believe that he hasn’t been shooting the basketball, yes. It would be negligent for them to have him shooting before his injury was healed. Now it is healed apparently, and the next step is shooting.


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[NJ SixerFan]

His injury messed up his shot. Now he has to show that his shot isn’t messed up anymore before he can play. It’s pretty simple.

The fact that you want him to play before he has shot the basketball makes no sense. You can argue that he should have been shooting anyway, but he hasn’t been.

I’m not defending the organization here. I’m simply trying to get him back to where he was in the summer. If he proves that his shot is back to normal without any pain then he will and should be playing.

My point about him being a top prospect is that he is considered a big part of our future. This isn’t a Holmes, or Grant situation. We are invested in this kid for the long haul. We just paid a very high price for him, and we want to do whatever helps him succeed.




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oh cmon. u really believe he hasnt shot a basketball before they gave a press release that he is painfree? never heard of something like a fully healed injury changed a good shooter to an abysmal.

I believe that he hasn’t been shooting the basketball, yes. It would be negligent for them to have him shooting before his injury was healed. Now it is healed apparently, and the next step is shooting.


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Stop, shooting a basketball is 2nd nature to this kid. Dudes been shooting a basketball his entire life.

[Ericb5]

oh cmon. u really believe he hasnt shot a basketball before they gave a press release that he is painfree? never heard of something like a fully healed injury changed a good shooter to an abysmal.

I believe that he hasn’t been shooting the basketball, yes. It would be negligent for them to have him shooting before his injury was healed. Now it is healed apparently, and the next step is shooting.


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Stop, shooting a basketball is 2nd nature to this kid. Dudes been shooting a basketball his entire life.

I’m not sure that I am understanding you.

I agree with you that he is a natural shooter. Are you arguing that, since he is a natural shooter that they should just throw him back out there?

I would rather be cautious and get him back to his natural shooting stroke, and then bring him back to the court.


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