The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[Prez]

Wait you guys are serious about Vucevic/Hezonja for Jabari?

[blazza18]

In 2017 the most dangerous weapon a team can have is an offense first center who doesn't play any defence. This is what the Cavs and Warriors have taught us.

[Rainwater]

I would stop reading my post to if I wanted to back up my point with generalizations and or opinions. I watch a lot of Orlando games and he is "not" the reason they are losing. He is way more athletic than Monroe, He handles the ball much better and has real form on his shot. He passes the ball better than people realize. He still gets a ton of boards even though Aaron Gordon is crashing the boards hard on every possession. You don't get 48th in overall player impact rating because you suck. Watch this and tell me if there are any comparisons to Monroe whatsoever....

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Lol you make it seem like this is video is his typical play. His defense is not the best and this won't help the bucks. He literally gets most of points in the paint and has a good mid range jumper. His three point shoot is recent. He only shot 9 3 point shoots 2 years ago and shoot 75 last year. Before then, just as Monore, he was in the paint. He does not handle the ball lol. Monroe is a better passer, that has always been one of the best part of his game. I am not saying he sucks but there is no real difference between he and Monroe other than the jumper. And Orlando is one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and Vuc is not helping apparently. They even have a thread about it on their fourm where they blame him for their woes. I live in Florida and I am telling you he is liteally a Monore, I really don't know what else to tell you.

I am consistently on that magic fourm and your love for him is greater than most magic fans.

His defense is not the best? He is 21st out of all players in this league in Defensive Advanced metrics. The Magic's defense is better when he is on the court than when he is not. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

You say he only starting shooting 3's the past two seasons. While this is a true, I see it as a positive not a negative. He is improving his game to help his team compete in the new NBA. Isn't that what professionals do? You admit he has a nice mid range jumper. Does Monroe have a consistant mid range shot? Um no....

You say Monroe is a better passer than Vucevic but stats say they are about the same in providing assists. Vucevic is averaging 3.1 assists this season. Monroe is averaging 2.6. Per 36 minutes Monroe is slightly better averaging 4.2 to Vucevic's 3.7. Thats hardly a difference worth noting. Vucevics assit level is trending upwards the past season because he is improving as a player which is what professionals should do.

Watch that viedo again and then tell me the last time you saw Monroe receive the ball at the top of the key, drive past his defender and throw it down with authority? He has never done something like that nor could he ever. These two players are not even close in their athleticism or skill set.

Vuvevic is averaging 9.1 rebounds per game in only 30 minutes per game. I'd say if Thon or Henson could do that consistently we would not be having this discussion.

As for posters on the Orlando board. My guess is Nikola is a victim of the same agenda that people here have towards Kris. Doesn't make them right.

I get it, you really don't watch the games and just pay attention to the stats. And the only reason i brought up the 3 point issue with Vuc is the fact you made it seem like he was always a 3 point shooter and it was a core part of game when he just started shooting threes this year. He was only avg 1 a game last year. He has mostly been a post player with a jumper for most of his career. Its obivous you have rarely seen him play. Vuc and Athletic is not something I see in same sentence too often either. But honestly, there is nothing much I could say to you but btw......

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[LogitechBucks]

Lol you make it seem like this is video is his typical play. His defense is not the best and this won't help the bucks. He literally gets most of points in the paint and has a good mid range jumper. His three point shoot is recent. He only shot 9 3 point shoots 2 years ago and shoot 75 last year. Before then, just as Monore, he was in the paint. He does not handle the ball lol. Monroe is a better passer, that has always been one of the best part of his game. I am not saying he sucks but there is no real difference between he and Monroe other than the jumper. And Orlando is one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and Vuc is not helping apparently. They even have a thread about it on their fourm where they blame him for their woes. I live in Florida and I am telling you he is liteally a Monore, I really don't know what else to tell you.

I am consistently on that magic fourm and your love for him is greater than most magic fans.

His defense is not the best? He is 21st out of all players in this league in Defensive Advanced metrics. The Magic's defense is better when he is on the court than when he is not. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

You say he only starting shooting 3's the past two seasons. While this is a true, I see it as a positive not a negative. He is improving his game to help his team compete in the new NBA. Isn't that what professionals do? You admit he has a nice mid range jumper. Does Monroe have a consistant mid range shot? Um no....

You say Monroe is a better passer than Vucevic but stats say they are about the same in providing assists. Vucevic is averaging 3.1 assists this season. Monroe is averaging 2.6. Per 36 minutes Monroe is slightly better averaging 4.2 to Vucevic's 3.7. Thats hardly a difference worth noting. Vucevics assit level is trending upwards the past season because he is improving as a player which is what professionals should do.

Watch that viedo again and then tell me the last time you saw Monroe receive the ball at the top of the key, drive past his defender and throw it down with authority? He has never done something like that nor could he ever. These two players are not even close in their athleticism or skill set. that video is funny. There is no one in front of him. You could have scored there.

Vuvevic is averaging 9.1 rebounds per game in only 30 minutes per game. I'd say if Thon or Henson could do that consistently we would not be having this discussion.

As for posters on the Orlando board. My guess is Nikola is a victim of the same agenda that people here have towards Kris. Doesn't make them right.

I get it, you really don't watch the games and just pay attention to the stats. And the only reason i brought up the 3 point issue with Vuc is the fact you made it seem like he was always a 3 point shooter and it was a core part of game when he just started shooting threes this year. He was only avg 1 a game last year. He has mostly been a post player with a jumper for most of his career. Its obivous you have rarely seen him play. Vuc and Athletic is not something I see in same sentence too often either. But honestly, there is nothing much I could say to you but btw......

Watch on YouTube

I watched your funny video. There is no one guarding him. LOL Vucevic goes for 31pts 13RB 10 Assts. Did Monroe ever have a stat line like that? I thought you said that Nikola was not as good as a passer as Monroe. I guess your were mistaken about that too.

[Rainwater]

If Parker were to leave, I wouldn't mind it to the Bulls. They can afford to take the risk and they have a nice little core there with Dunn, Lavine and Lauri. If they somehow drafted Ayton they might have something special.

[raws]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

[MickeyDavis]

I hate the Bulls and their fans. I wish nothing but eternal losing on them.

[Rainwater]

I hate the Bulls and their fans. I wish nothing but eternal losing on them.

I know, I know but seeing how they are progressing and seeing how young they are they can take the risk and sign Parker to max money. He would be a good fit there if all goes wrong here. Maybe a Jabari for Lopez trade can get us something rather then losing him for nothing.

[midranger]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Nah. It's far more insane.

[LogitechBucks]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Here is yet another example of what a crap player Nikola Vucevic has become. Today he put up a triple double with 31 points 13 RB 10 ASST 1Blk 1STL 31pts on 13 of 18 FG and 4 of 6 3Pt and only 1 for 1 from the line. What a slouch to get a triple double and still score 31 points. James Harden type numbers are just meh right? Jabari will average a triple double right?

[bizarro]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Here is yet another example of what a crap player Nikola Vucevic has become. Today he put up a triple double with 31 points 13 RB 10 ASST 1Blk 1STL 31pts on 13 of 18 FG and 4 of 6 3Pt and only 1 for 1 from the line. What a slouch to get a triple double and still score 31 points. James Harden type numbers are just meh right? Jabari will average a triple double right?

Indeed! And, so will Vucevic now that he’s gotten a triple double. To both of these fine young talents!

[LogitechBucks]

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Here is yet another example of what a crap player Nikola Vucevic has become. Today he put up a triple double with 31 points 13 RB 10 ASST 1Blk 1STL 31pts on 13 of 18 FG and 4 of 6 3Pt and only 1 for 1 from the line. What a slouch to get a triple double and still score 31 points. James Harden type numbers are just meh right? Jabari will average a triple double right?

Indeed! And, so will Vucevic now that he’s gotten a triple double. To both of these fine young talents!

But Bizzaro Vucevic is awful, he would be terrible on the Bucks I have been told. How could you say he is a fine young talent?

[Rainwater]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Here is yet another example of what a crap player Nikola Vucevic has become. Today he put up a triple double with 31 points 13 RB 10 ASST 1Blk 1STL 31pts on 13 of 18 FG and 4 of 6 3Pt and only 1 for 1 from the line. What a slouch to get a triple double and still score 31 points. James Harden type numbers are just meh right? Jabari will average a triple double right?

It really wasn't surprising honestly. Vuc did play well but half the magic squad is injured including primary scorers of Evan, Ross and AG. And AG is also their second best rebounder. The (already bad) Magic outside of Payton and Vuc honestly had a D-league team out there. And they were also playing the garbage Hawks. Nobody wanted to win that game.

[LogitechBucks]

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Here is yet another example of what a crap player Nikola Vucevic has become. Today he put up a triple double with 31 points 13 RB 10 ASST 1Blk 1STL 31pts on 13 of 18 FG and 4 of 6 3Pt and only 1 for 1 from the line. What a slouch to get a triple double and still score 31 points. James Harden type numbers are just meh right? Jabari will average a triple double right?

It really wasn't surprising honestly. Vuc did play well but half the magic squad is injured including primary scorers of Evan, Ross and AG. And AG is also their second best rebounder. The Magic outside of Payton and Vuc honestly had a D-league team out there. And they were also playing the garbage Hawks. Nobody wanted to win that game.

Dude can't you just say he played well and leave it at that? The fact is that him and Kevin Love are almost the same players production wise. They play similar rolls. Everyone on here would go gaga for Kevin Love but yet somehow they puke on Vucevic. It makes no sense.

[Rainwater]

Here is yet another example of what a crap player Nikola Vucevic has become. Today he put up a triple double with 31 points 13 RB 10 ASST 1Blk 1STL 31pts on 13 of 18 FG and 4 of 6 3Pt and only 1 for 1 from the line. What a slouch to get a triple double and still score 31 points. James Harden type numbers are just meh right? Jabari will average a triple double right?

It really wasn't surprising honestly. Vuc did play well but half the magic squad is injured including primary scorers of Evan, Ross and AG. And AG is also their second best rebounder. The Magic outside of Payton and Vuc honestly had a D-league team out there. And they were also playing the garbage Hawks. Nobody wanted to win that game.

Dude can't you just say he played well and leave it at that? The fact is that him and Kevin Love are almost the same players production wise. They play similar rolls. Everyone on here would go gaga for Kevin Love but yet somehow they puke on Vucevic. It makes no sense.

I am simply providing context. You just look at the stats and think that tells the whole story. His stats were somewhat inflated, lol. There was literally nobody on the floor for an already bad Magic team and Vuc took advantage. NO ONE IS GOING GAGA FOR VUCEVIC BECAUSE VUCEVIC IS NO WHERE AS GOOD AS KEVIN LOVE LOL. Most magic fans don't even want Vuc, lol. You are the only one pushing this. If Love played on the Magic, his numbers would look similar to what he was putting up back in Minn.

BTW Monroe had a triple double against the Kings on 10/8/12.

[TroyD92]

Khris Middleton a top 3 wing? Jabari Parker a top 10 offensive player?

Jesus, this board is insane.

Jabari has the capability of being a top 10 offensive player if he can stay on the court. That statement is less insane than offering to trade him for Vuvecic.

Nah. It's far more insane.

Why?

[M-C-G]

So which former banned poster is Logitechbucks? I saw someone suggest panedemonum but he is still active. This guy is just WAY too familiar


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[jakecronus8]

I hate the Bulls and their fans. I wish nothing but eternal losing on them.

I know, I know but seeing how they are progressing and seeing how young they are they can take the risk and sign Parker to max money. He would be a good fit there if all goes wrong here. Maybe a Jabari for Lopez trade can get us something rather then losing him for nothing.

Fully expect Jabari to get a max offer from Chicago, which is why I'm so hell bent on moving him for what you can now. Healthy Jabari is not worth the max. Jabari with one knee at the max is potentially a franchise killing move.

[MickeyDavis]

The last time Chicago tried to sign one of our free agents was Tim Thomas. He was UFA though. We were all relieved when he stayed here.

[TroyD92]

I hate the Bulls and their fans. I wish nothing but eternal losing on them.

I know, I know but seeing how they are progressing and seeing how young they are they can take the risk and sign Parker to max money. He would be a good fit there if all goes wrong here. Maybe a Jabari for Lopez trade can get us something rather then losing him for nothing.

Fully expect Jabari to get a max offer from Chicago, which is why I'm so hell bent on moving him for what you can now. Healthy Jabari is not worth the max. Jabari with one knee at the max is potentially a franchise killing move.

Franchise killing move lol. The hyperbole from so posters is hilarious