Political Roundtable Part XVI

[stilldropin20]

I tend to be a globalist and believe a world that improves the economy for everyone is much safer. Do most multinational global companies preform that absolutely not in most cases it have become the Walmart model find and exploit the workers abroad and at home to enriching the few. The new tax reforms are just another step in achieving that goal.

SD20 believes since I'm 70 and Canadian I'm sucking off the public trough while I back Canadian social services fortunately personally I don't require them. As most will remember I was away for a month in South Africa, Mozambique and Botswana while Canadian social benefits are good they aren't that good. Since coming back from China I've created 50 Canadian jobs and am in the works of creating a new company that I hope to double that. I also establish a small co-operative in South Africa with my friend and a friend of hers who is a fashion designer. It will help over 20 African women from the townships support themselves and children. Hopefully the co-operative will grow and many more people benefit.South Africa has many problems but it is still the best hope in Africa but getting people having productive jobs is a way to start.

SD20 claims that he is from a mixed background? Yet is a true Trumpite!!!!

“Diversity is not our strength,” the congressman wrote, linking to an article on a deeply dubious anti-immigration website called Voice of Europe, which quotes Hungary’s far-right prime minister, Viktor Orban, as saying that “mixing cultures will not lead to a higher quality of life but a lower one.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/steve-king-diversity-strength-white-supremacy_us_5a2afd21e4b073789f69bfbf

He also wants the election of Judge Roy Moore in Alabama who if he had a choice would string SD20 up for dating those playboy bunnies.

The following are some tax provisions which are different and mostly make sense!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/radical-tax-systems_us_5a158ea2e4b025f8e932ceb8

ma gawd! you checkin my credentials? pathetic!

as for the rest in bold? perfect example of private industry creating jobs and opportunity. So you run or are involved in a small business? great! and you guys have 15% corp rate on its way down to 10% then 8.5%? try making those trips and doing those good deeds with a 40% tax rate! good luck with that. our corporate rate are a disaster. especially small business. i had no idea canada was so low. I assume there are no other taxes on corps?

So there you have it. the good old republican way working well for you in canada. Private sector business creating jobs. just mneed the low corporate rates to give the business more money to invest in itself and the community. as helping others across borders! Good for you. I do my own good deeds for my people in my corner of the world as well. but yeah, im sure you dont believe that either. you guys really need to stop being haters. stop being doubting thomas'

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That graph doesn't have much meaning without incomes also included. Given the income disparities I think it supports the alternative increase the taxes on the top 10% by 4% (so they are paying 73% of the total) and the need for federal income tax from the bottom 50% disappears(or is greatly reduced). Maybe the Democrats will do true tax reform and accomplish something similar. I think lowering the numbers lacking medical insurance, controlling college costs for the middle class and income tax reform that lowers the tax burden on the middle class is a compelling platform to run on. How do you sell it to the top 10% - "Trickle up economics", much fairer and more economically sound than what the republicans are selling. In a lot of cases in those brackets a theoretical investment returning 6% vs. 4% or 5% will "grow the pie" more than enough to overcome higher tax rates.

Hopefully the democratic candidate(s) learned from Hillary that you win first and make policy later. If the Democratic get the house in 2018, they have 2 years to give some concrete evidence(vetoed bills) that there is a plan behind the campaign rhetoric.

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He did say false accusers, so I expect he will file as many lawsuits as Trump in this area.

[Zonkerbl]

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He did say false accusers, so I expect he will file as many lawsuits as Trump in this area.

Oh, great, let’s rely on the process that is so biased against women that they were afraid to step forward for 40 years. Yeah, that’s fair.

[closg00]

Jones winning isn’t all that unlikely, if you imagine Alabama conservatives being totally disgusted with the whole circus and staying home.

That’s partly why HRC lost, people just didn’t vote, the only people excited about it were the loonies.

Moore is up in every poll, he wins easily. If the election had been held one week ago, his margin of victory would have been smaller.

[stilldropin20]

Jones winning isn’t all that unlikely, if you imagine Alabama conservatives being totally disgusted with the whole circus and staying home.

That’s partly why HRC lost, people just didn’t vote, the only people excited about it were the loonies.

Moore is up in every poll, he wins easily. If the election had been held one week ago, his margin of victory would have been smaller.

strategically, dems always prematurely shot their loads. The moore accusers should have come out last week. And the trump tapes should habe come out 8-9 days before the election.

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[dckingsfan]

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That graph doesn't have much meaning without incomes also included. Given the income disparities I think it supports the alternative increase the taxes on the top 10% by 4% (so they are paying 73% of the total) and the need for federal income tax from the bottom 50% disappears(or is greatly reduced). Maybe the Democrats will do true tax reform and accomplish something similar. I think lowering the numbers lacking medical insurance, controlling college costs for the middle class and income tax reform that lowers the tax burden on the middle class is a compelling platform to run on. How do you sell it to the top 10% - "Trickle up economics", much fairer and more economically sound than what the republicans are selling. In a lot of cases in those brackets a theoretical investment returning 6% vs. 4% or 5% will "grow the pie" more than enough to overcome higher tax rates.

Hopefully the democratic candidate(s) learned from Hillary that you win first and make policy later. If the Democratic get the house in 2018, they have 2 years to give some concrete evidence(vetoed bills) that there is a plan behind the campaign rhetoric.

Is this what you are looking for verbal? It still doesn't really tell the entire story. The top 50% has incurred an increase in income whereas the bottom not so much. What it also doesn't show is if we wanted a balanced budget what those numbers would look like (my guess is it would probably need to go to 90/10). We do have a progressive tax system - maybe not as progressive as we would like but it is there (we are just battling around the edges).

And this isn't where the problem is - really. It is at the state and local level where lower income people pay a disproportionate share. Why? Parking meters, traffic tickets, fines for late payment, property taxes, gas taxes, etc. are all very regressive.

[dckingsfan]

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He did say false accusers, so I expect he will file as many lawsuits as Trump in this area.

Oh, great, let’s rely on the process that is so biased against women that they were afraid to step forward for 40 years. Yeah, that’s fair.

He is just one very bad dude. Now he is going after those that he already hurt. It will eventually come out in the wash but in the meantime he will destroy more lives.

[Zonkerbl]

Jones winning isn’t all that unlikely, if you imagine Alabama conservatives being totally disgusted with the whole circus and staying home.

That’s partly why HRC lost, people just didn’t vote, the only people excited about it were the loonies.

Moore is up in every poll, he wins easily. If the election had been held one week ago, his margin of victory would have been smaller.

Polls don’t usually measure turnout (all that well). I’m saying Moore could be up in the polls and still lose.

Wishful thinking maybe.

[cammac]

Jones winning isn’t all that unlikely, if you imagine Alabama conservatives being totally disgusted with the whole circus and staying home.

That’s partly why HRC lost, people just didn’t vote, the only people excited about it were the loonies.

Moore is up in every poll, he wins easily. If the election had been held one week ago, his margin of victory would have been smaller.

Polls don’t usually measure turnout (all that well). I’m saying Moore could be up in the polls and still lose.

Wishful thinking maybe.

The polling at best in the Alabama race is flawed but it is basically very close and come down to turnout on election day!
Obviously black voters are the key and it is the only chance they have to exact some revenge in decades on the Republican Party. Minorities are 30% of the voting dynamic which is substantial obviously less than the 50% born again but how motivated will they be and how many women will change their vote. The other 20% could be looking for a change as well if signage in red suburbs are a indication. Plus this time Jones has the turnout machine and Moore doesn't plus in every election Moore has done poorly.
Still say a upset 4 to 5% Jones.

[stilldropin20]

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[stilldropin20]

That graph doesn't have much meaning without incomes also included. Given the income disparities I think it supports the alternative increase the taxes on the top 10% by 4% (so they are paying 73% of the total) and the need for federal income tax from the bottom 50% disappears(or is greatly reduced). Maybe the Democrats will do true tax reform and accomplish something similar. I think lowering the numbers lacking medical insurance, controlling college costs for the middle class and income tax reform that lowers the tax burden on the middle class is a compelling platform to run on. How do you sell it to the top 10% - "Trickle up economics", much fairer and more economically sound than what the republicans are selling. In a lot of cases in those brackets a theoretical investment returning 6% vs. 4% or 5% will "grow the pie" more than enough to overcome higher tax rates.

Hopefully the democratic candidate(s) learned from Hillary that you win first and make policy later. If the Democratic get the house in 2018, they have 2 years to give some concrete evidence(vetoed bills) that there is a plan behind the campaign rhetoric.

Is this what you are looking for verbal? It still doesn't really tell the entire story. The top 50% has incurred an increase in income whereas the bottom not so much. What it also doesn't show is if we wanted a balanced budget what those numbers would look like (my guess is it would probably need to go to 90/10). We do have a progressive tax system - maybe not as progressive as we would like but it is there (we are just battling around the edges).

And this isn't where the problem is - really. It is at the state and local level where lower income people pay a disproportionate share. Why? Parking meters, traffic tickets, fines for late payment, property taxes, gas taxes, etc. are all very regressive.

That is a bad graph.

Im not site that a graph of the top 10% versus the bottom 10% is all that relevant. For starters the top 1% is overwhelmingly carrying the top 10%. The top 1% has accumulated too much wealth. I think everyone agrees.



And I've called in this thread for numerous ways to recapture the wealth of the top1%. nobody is on board with me which is odd cuz everytime these graphs come up all we keep pointing to his this disparity in wealth and income. Especially weird because the wealth of the top 1% almost solely comes from dividends of their already accumulated wealth. so their is an income disparity almost solely based on accumulated wealth.

Go get the already accumulated wealth and income equality gets back to where is was in 1986!!

A more relevant and more important graph would be the thday of the middle class. top 50- 30% versus the bottom 30-50%.

And I'm quite certain the graph will show that both of these income groups are losing ground to the top 10% as well.

It's this group that deserves the tax break if we can give it to them but most importantly wages have been stagnant for the middle class that is educated and shows up to work compared to wages of the upper 10%.

So the tax break I don't think is the real issue. income inequality is the real issue. Tax break will help minimally.

And you raise wages by minimizing the workforce supply (controlled immigration) and creating more jobs. trump is doing both.

really all 3 including the tax break. I mean trump is knocking it out of the park right now for the american worker.

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[dckingsfan]

So the tax break I don't think is the issue income inequality as the real issue.

Solidly both. Income inequality AND tax fairness.

And those are two different issues...

[stilldropin20]

So the tax break I don't think is the issue income inequality as the real issue.

Solidly both. Income inequality AND tax fairness.

And those are two different issues...

in chemistry we have this thing called the rate determining step.

In 1963 my father dropped out of his senior year of high school to be a full time steel worker. He made $11 per hour then and within few years was earning $17 per hour and was part of the teamsters union. and was more than willing to work all the overtime they threw at him. I recall because he told me this stupid story nearly every day he was around.

By 1971 he was earning over $35K per year and bough his first home with cash. $21 or 24K(i forget). Which kept his real estate taxes under $800 annually until the day he died while his neighbors paid over $8000 annually. He also was able his cars with cash. My father is native american/mexican/spanish/italian so this was not some white privilege job. I can only assume These kinds of jobs were available all over the united states in those years as my father my socially awkward, until he got drunk then overly aggressively. And not that bright.

he did however have money to burn. So he ended up with house worth over $500K when he died. land in South carolina. and a pretty healthy stock portfolio, and full 401K. and a pension package that paid him $3500.00 per month after 30 years. he was 57 when he retired with that pension.

he then became a truck driver in 1989. bought his own truck and formed his own small business and proceeded to earn 70-100K on top of that $3500 per month pension and full teamsters medical and dental.

These jobs dont exist anymore. These are unicorn jobs. unicorn housing deals. and thats the real problem in comparing eras. The 1960's and 70's are long gone. even the 80's were way better. But trade deals, regulations, and the emergence of asian markets killed a lot of these jobs.

If a dumb shxt kid drops out of high school today he better be a unicorn or he will end up making $8-17(the smarter kids) per hour tops and often jumping from job to job with lots of time unemployed. and the cost of housing has skyrocketed!!!!

The real issues. the "rate determining steps" are wages and the cost of housing. not taxes. but whatever tax cut we can get helps.

[cammac]

So the tax break I don't think is the issue income inequality as the real issue.

Solidly both. Income inequality AND tax fairness.

And those are two different issues...

in chemistry we have this thing called the rate determining step.

In 1963 my father dropped out of his senior year of high school to be a full time steel worker. He made $11 per hour then and within few years was earning $17 per hour and was part of the teamsters union. and was more than willing to work all the overtime they threw at him. I recall because he told me this stupid story nearly every day he was around.

By 1971 he was earning over $35K per year and bough his first home with cash. $21 or 24K(i forget). Which kept his real estate taxes under $800 annually until the day he died while his neighbors paid over $8000 annually. He also was able his cars with cash. My father is native american/mexican/spanish/italian so this was not some white privilege job. I can only assume These kinds of jobs were available all over the united states in those years as my father my socially awkward, until he got drunk then overly aggressively. And not that bright.

he did however have money to burn. So he ended up with house worth over $500K when he died. land in South carolina. and a pretty healthy stock portfolio, and full 401K. and a pension package that paid him $3500.00 per month after 30 years. he was 57 when he retired with that pension.

So many holes in your narratives and so many lies.
You told us all he was a "Drug Dealer" now he is a middle class hero??????????
he then became a truck driver in 1989. bought his own truck and formed his own small business and proceeded to earn 70-100K on top of that $3500 per month pension and full teamsters medical and dental.

These jobs dont exist anymore. These are unicorn jobs. unicorn housing deals. and thats the real problem in comparing eras. The 1960's and 70's are long gone. even the 80's were way better. But trade deals, regulations, and the emergence of asian markets killed a lot of these jobs.

If a dumb shxt kid drops out of high school today he better be a unicorn or he will end up making $8-17(the smarter kids) per hour tops and often jumping from job to job with lots of time unemployed. and the cost of housing has skyrocketed!!!!

The real issues. the "rate determining steps" are wages and the cost of housing. not taxes. but whatever tax cut we can get helps.

[stilldropin20]

Trump did a decent job reading his speech at the civil rights museum.

i knew this board was fair and balanced.

[stilldropin20]

Solidly both. Income inequality AND tax fairness.

And those are two different issues...

in chemistry we have this thing called the rate determining step.

In 1963 my father dropped out of his senior year of high school to be a full time steel worker. He made $11 per hour then and within few years was earning $17 per hour and was part of the teamsters union. and was more than willing to work all the overtime they threw at him. I recall because he told me this stupid story nearly every day he was around.

By 1971 he was earning over $35K per year and bough his first home with cash. $21 or 24K(i forget). Which kept his real estate taxes under $800 annually until the day he died while his neighbors paid over $8000 annually. He also was able his cars with cash. My father is native american/mexican/spanish/italian so this was not some white privilege job. I can only assume These kinds of jobs were available all over the united states in those years as my father my socially awkward, until he got drunk then overly aggressively. And not that bright.

he did however have money to burn. So he ended up with house worth over $500K when he died. land in South carolina. and a pretty healthy stock portfolio, and full 401K. and a pension package that paid him $3500.00 per month after 30 years. he was 57 when he retired with that pension.

So many holes in your narratives and so many lies.
You told us all he was a "Drug Dealer" now he is a middle class hero??????????
he then became a truck driver in 1989. bought his own truck and formed his own small business and proceeded to earn 70-100K on top of that $3500 per month pension and full teamsters medical and dental.

These jobs dont exist anymore. These are unicorn jobs. unicorn housing deals. and thats the real problem in comparing eras. The 1960's and 70's are long gone. even the 80's were way better. But trade deals, regulations, and the emergence of asian markets killed a lot of these jobs.

If a dumb shxt kid drops out of high school today he better be a unicorn or he will end up making $8-17(the smarter kids) per hour tops and often jumping from job to job with lots of time unemployed. and the cost of housing has skyrocketed!!!!

The real issues. the "rate determining steps" are wages and the cost of housing. not taxes. but whatever tax cut we can get helps.

you messed up your quoting. This story is about my biological father. I didn't grow up with him. But i did spend some time with him. My step dad and biological mother were the drug addicts/ drug dealers. But even they had jobs too for most of their lives.

what do you think drug dealers are just street thugs? Or millionaires gangstas like scarface? ma gawd, bro, get out of the house. Go meet some real people.

I'm not going to belabor this point anymore but in case this comes up again both of my biological parents were married and divorced 3 times each. I'm 46 and have siblings as old as 55 and as young as 21. yeah. its all kinds of funcked up. But it allows me to speak intelligently on middle america and the troubles everyday folk face.

Most importantly having emerged from the lower class (even though on paper my biological father was a millionaire I never saw a single penny of it). So ive seen a lot. experienced a lot. and know lot. and ive now made my own millions. its not that hard actually. like i said, my idiot high school dropout father did it. if he can anyone can. trust me. but it was 10 milllion times easier when he was 17. vs a 17 year old today.

but overall? bruh you really need to step off my personal life. I understand i put my personal stories out there. that doesn't give you any excuse what so ever to attack my personal life or story. I know you think it does. but it doesn't.

[cammac]

in chemistry we have this thing called the rate determining step.

In 1963 my father dropped out of his senior year of high school to be a full time steel worker. He made $11 per hour then and within few years was earning $17 per hour and was part of the teamsters union. and was more than willing to work all the overtime they threw at him. I recall because he told me this stupid story nearly every day he was around.

By 1971 he was earning over $35K per year and bough his first home with cash. $21 or 24K(i forget). Which kept his real estate taxes under $800 annually until the day he died while his neighbors paid over $8000 annually. He also was able his cars with cash. My father is native american/mexican/spanish/italian so this was not some white privilege job. I can only assume These kinds of jobs were available all over the united states in those years as my father my socially awkward, until he got drunk then overly aggressively. And not that bright.

he did however have money to burn. So he ended up with house worth over $500K when he died. land in South carolina. and a pretty healthy stock portfolio, and full 401K. and a pension package that paid him $3500.00 per month after 30 years. he was 57 when he retired with that pension.

So many holes in your narratives and so many lies.
You told us all he was a "Drug Dealer" now he is a middle class hero??????????
he then became a truck driver in 1989. bought his own truck and formed his own small business and proceeded to earn 70-100K on top of that $3500 per month pension and full teamsters medical and dental.

These jobs dont exist anymore. These are unicorn jobs. unicorn housing deals. and thats the real problem in comparing eras. The 1960's and 70's are long gone. even the 80's were way better. But trade deals, regulations, and the emergence of asian markets killed a lot of these jobs.

If a dumb shxt kid drops out of high school today he better be a unicorn or he will end up making $8-17(the smarter kids) per hour tops and often jumping from job to job with lots of time unemployed. and the cost of housing has skyrocketed!!!!

The real issues. the "rate determining steps" are wages and the cost of housing. not taxes. but whatever tax cut we can get helps.

you messed up your quoting. This story is about my biological father. I didn't grow up with him. But i did spend some time with him. My step dad and biological mother were the drug addicts/ drug dealers. But even they had jobs too for most of their lives.

what do you think drug dealers are just street thugs? Or millionaires gangstas like scarface? ma gawd, bro, get out of the house. Go meet some real people.

I'm not going to belabor this point anymore but in case this comes up again both of my biological parents were married and divorced 3 times each. I'm 46 and have siblings as old as 55 and as young as 21. yeah. its all kinds of funcked up. But it allows me to speak intelligently on middle america and the troubles everyday folk face.

Most importantly having emerged from the lower class (even though on paper my biological father was a millionaire I never saw a single penny of it). So ive seen a lot. experienced a lot. and know lot. and ive now made my own millions. its not that hard actually. like i said, my idiot high school dropout father did it. if he can anyone can. trust me. but it was 10 milllion times easier when he was 17. vs a 17 year old today.

but overall? bruh you really need to step off my personal life. I understand i put my personal stories out there. that doesn't give you any excuse what so ever to attack my personal life or story. I know you think it does. but it doesn't.

Everything you say is inconsistent and everytime you get caught a new story???????????????????