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Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#1 » by duetta » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:01 am

Fans have an obsession with tanking for a high lottery pick, thinking it is the correct strategy for all rebuilding clubs. When Knicks GM Scott Perry met with the media Saturday in Chicago, he sent a message to fans — and his players.

No tanks.

Team president Steve Mills and Perry aren’t focused on gaining another high lottery pick. They’d prefer the Knicks overachieve and play games with playoff meaning in April.

In another words, be different than their two most recent opponents in the Bulls and Hawks, who own the league’s two worst records and are expected to be 1-2 in the lottery seedings come May.

“I don’t think that’s healthy for any culture,’’ Perry said of tanking. “I think if you try to institutionalize losing, that’s hard to get out of your building.’’

After their discouraging performance in Chicago, the Knicks pulled out a Garden cliff-hanger against Hawks in the fourth quarter, 111-107, moving to 13-13.

All the right young core guys did well in crunch time — Ron Baker, experiencing a sophomore jinx but finally making his first big imprint on a game this season with 31 scrappy minutes; rookie Frank Ntilikina hitting a big 3, collecting three steals, hitting a late free throw; Kristaps Porzingis reversing a recent downward spiral with 30 points; Doug McDermott piling on 23 points.

According to a source, Mills and Perry are aware Porzingis needs to see signs of progression if he is going to stay here long-term. A 25-57 finish won’t have the 7-foot-3 Latvian enthused about committing this summer when he gets a chance to sign a rookie contract extension.

Mills and Perry have courted Porzingis’ brother/agent Janis Porzingis so they know their urgency.

Porzingis wants to be in the playoffs for the first time. His first two NBA seasons have been over by March 1.

“I don’t believe in it either,’’ Porzingis told The Post regarding tanking. “Every season you have to go with the expectations of making the playoffs. That’s the way to get better. If you do make the playoffs, that experience, you can’t change for nothing. Every player should as soon as you start you career. The sooner you get that, the more you’re prepared for the future. I’m really looking forward to making the playoffs.’’

If the Knicks don’t make the playoff — and chances are they fall short with Tim Hardaway Jr.’s potential extended absence with a lower leg injury — at least the players would have grown from being in a playoff hunt. That’s more than can be said about the Hawks, Bulls and incoming Lakers. The Knicks host LaVar Ball’s son Tuesday.

“Fans were guessing we’d be worse than we are now,’’ Porzingis told The Post. “The way we’re playing, it’s something achievable.’’

Mills and Perry set low expectations entering training camp, but by no means did they wish the Knicks would jockey with the Bulls and Hawks for worst in the East.

Their urge to dump Carmelo Anthony appeared to be a sign of dropping to the bottom. But the new regime — and the fired Phil Jackson — just wanted to be done with Anthony because he didn’t fit their new identity as an organization emphasizing defense and passing.

Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek is trying to win, otherwise young building block Willy Hernangomez would be the center backup, not Kyle O’Quinn.

“We’re always looking to win the game,’’ Hornacek said. “Sometimes you want to give guys looks and opportunities, but that’s from practice where they earned it. It’s a little bit of a fine balance but ultimately we’re trying to win games and putting out guys who might give it to us.’’

If the Knicks lose Porzingis, who will be a perennial All-Star if not superstar, the franchise faces a hopeless future.

So if the Knicks do fall out of the race by February’s trade deadline, Perry will have a lot to think about in potentially unloading someone with trade value such as Courtney Lee.

“It’s part of my daily grind,’’ Perry said of those decisions.

Perry would rather not have those conversations with teams in February. Perry prefers to still be in the race — the only surefire way of ensuring Porzingis sticks.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/only-one-way-for-knicks-to-keep-kristaps-porzingis-around/
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#2 » by Context » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:09 am

Look, KP is our guy and if he feels that way about it- then... F the tank...I was just hoping to tank and add ONE more piece-- but again, if that's going
to risk KP signing long term that I'm definitely against tanking....
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#3 » by Zingod » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:51 am

This team.
1-8 on the road and still think they have a shot at making the playoffs. :lol:

In february when they're like 22-32 they finally gonna realise they suck.

What's kp gonna do? Trade me because i can't win any road games? No, take that max money and hope that FO not gonna make any dumb mistakes by signing overrated vets.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#4 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:53 am

Coaches may buy into a rebuild and take losses due to lack of talent/ability to win. Players may be ok being part of a rebuild but, they want to win games. It appears our FO has no intention of throwing in the towel and gunning for a high pick. At least not right now. Like it or not...the tank is dead. Unless it happens naturally or injuries happen.

If they go on a horrible road stretch of losing next month...attitudes may change. As of right now...there will be no "institutionalized losing".
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#5 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:10 pm

ZOMG Berman!!!!! The ONLY WAY!!!! Let me panic and click more!
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#6 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:50 pm

Close the Flood gates from those who still dont get it....


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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#7 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:54 pm

these things happen naturally. if we fall out of the race, management would likely cash out some vets and get more assets. just important that losing is not the goal like some think it should be.

perry put it best, which has always been my argument. institutionalizing losing is hard to get out of your building. it's nice that these guys want it. the truth of who they are is in the record. always. and FO doesn't seem to be looking for band-aids. i'm good with this.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#8 » by Sark » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:03 pm

Just hire Instagram models to work at MSG and he will stay.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#9 » by GONYK » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:45 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:these things happen naturally. if we fall out of the race, management would likely cash out some vets and get more assets. just important that losing is not the goal like some think it should be.

perry put it best, which has always been my argument. institutionalizing losing is hard to get out of your building. it's nice that these guys want it. the truth of who they are is in the record. always. and FO doesn't seem to be looking for band-aids. i'm good with this.


Yup.

The word that keeps coming up is "organically". Let the chips fall where they will, and adjust accordingly.

I think we are taking encouraging steps in terms of the youth we have on this team and their development. Evidence is mounting that we might not be able to keep our head above water without THJ. If that is the case, then I think Perry will look towards the future.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#10 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:55 pm

Sark wrote:Just hire Instagram models to work at MSG and he will stay.


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yep. i think this is accurate. jen selter on the fitness team.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#11 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:56 pm

More of the same.
Tired of this crap with this team.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#12 » by Fat » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:58 pm

i hope Porzingis big black rolodex looks better than melo's did when recruiting time comes
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#13 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:05 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:i hope Porzingis big black rolodex looks better than melo's did when recruiting time comes

I bet it doesn’t.
Especially when he wears a Knick uniform.

We don’t even have max money.

Look for a trade and 30 wins.

We just lost to the damn Bulls and have 1 road win all year but these mofo’s think they are playoff ready? FOH.
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Post#14 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:09 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:Close the Flood gates from those who still dont get it....


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I knew the Knicks wouldn’t tank because they are too stupid to do so, but reading that **** just rubbed me wrong.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#15 » by King of Canada » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:11 pm

If the Knicks want to tank they might as well trade KP now. We're not far from being a good team, so I don't care if we don't tank. Build around your franchise player/. Isn't that the whole point? We have that guy along with a good young core already. If KP was hurt or something I'd have a different opinion, but tanking just seems like a really bad idea at this point.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#16 » by GONYK » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:14 pm

King of Canada wrote:If the Knicks want to tank they might as well trade KP now. We're not far from being a good team, so I don't care if we don't tank. Build around your franchise player/. Isn't that the whole point? We have that guy along with a good young core already. If KP was hurt or something I'd have a different opinion, but tanking just seems like a really bad idea at this point.


We are closer to being a playoff team than we are a bottom 5 team
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#17 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:17 pm

King of Canada wrote:If the Knicks want to tank they might as well trade KP now. We're not far from being a good team, so I don't care if we don't tank. Build around your franchise player/. Isn't that the whole point? We have that guy along with a good young core already. If KP was hurt or something I'd have a different opinion, but tanking just seems like a really bad idea at this point.



You really think this is a good team?
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#18 » by King of Canada » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Greenie wrote:
King of Canada wrote:If the Knicks want to tank they might as well trade KP now. We're not far from being a good team, so I don't care if we don't tank. Build around your franchise player/. Isn't that the whole point? We have that guy along with a good young core already. If KP was hurt or something I'd have a different opinion, but tanking just seems like a really bad idea at this point.



You really think this is a good team?


I think we're close to being a good team. If the plan was to tank we'd still be awful in four years (and would lose KP either via trade or FA). I think we'll turn it around much faster by trying to win considering the players we have and their ages, etc...
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#19 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:23 pm

King of Canada wrote:
Greenie wrote:
King of Canada wrote:If the Knicks want to tank they might as well trade KP now. We're not far from being a good team, so I don't care if we don't tank. Build around your franchise player/. Isn't that the whole point? We have that guy along with a good young core already. If KP was hurt or something I'd have a different opinion, but tanking just seems like a really bad idea at this point.



You really think this is a good team?


I think we're close to being a good team. If the plan was to tank we'd still be awful in four years (and would lose KP either via trade or FA). I think we'll turn it around much faster by trying to win considering the players we have and their ages, etc...



I don’t agree.

I think we will see what we usually do. Might even get a playoff run or two with 1st round exits with this squad.
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Re: Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around 

Post#20 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:30 pm

I just checked the standings and we are sitting in 8th in the east.

A .500 right there in the playoffs is not going to say, "yeah we want to stop competing, tank, and lose the rest of the season for a draft pick"

Sure, that's probably what will happen organically come january when it's all tough road games, but they aren't going to just SAY that

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