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REDDzone · Post #221 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:48 pm

REDDzone wrote:Ortega popped twice iirc. Both of them are Helio sided Gracie fighters.

Also, didn't another dude pop for the same thing from Black House? I can't think of his name now but he was a Brazilian LHW.

Feijao I think.

cowboyronnie · Post #222 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:55 pm

If I were a grappler, I'd bring a throw net and a smoke bomb. Like, remember when that ref broke up grappling against the fence a couple weekends? Guy was trying to take a striker down, some newbie ref gave him like 4 seconds of clinch time before making him give up. I should get one of those nets that ninjas cast on their enemies as compensation. It's only fair.

REDDzone · Post #223 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:03 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:If I were a grappler, I'd bring a throw net and a smoke bomb. Like, remember when that ref broke up grappling against the fence a couple weekends? Guy was trying to take a striker down, some newbie ref gave him like 4 seconds of clinch time before making him give up. I should get one of those nets that ninjas cast on their enemies as compensation. It's only fair.

You usually watch all the fights, right? Did you see Gimli stand up the fight from mount this weekend? Or the same fight when he stood up from halfguard after four seconds when the other guy was punching the whole time?

I think there were three total standups that fight. Immediately after one, Horcher landed a big shot and had his opponent wobbled.

Post #224 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:10 pm

I think it was Ngannou and Overeem had a really fast breakage from the fence if I recall.

cowboyronnie · Post #225 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:40 pm

REDDzone wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:If I were a grappler, I'd bring a throw net and a smoke bomb. Like, remember when that ref broke up grappling against the fence a couple weekends? Guy was trying to take a striker down, some newbie ref gave him like 4 seconds of clinch time before making him give up. I should get one of those nets that ninjas cast on their enemies as compensation. It's only fair.

You usually watch all the fights, right? Did you see Gimli stand up the fight from mount this weekend? Or the same fight when he stood up from halfguard after four seconds when the other guy was punching the whole time?

I think there were three total standups that fight. Immediately after one, Horcher landed a big shot and had his opponent wobbled.

The best solution to this issue of some refs disfavouring grappling is not to award all grapplers external aides.

There is a better option.

REDDzone · Post #226 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:16 pm

I'm questioning WHY. Gloves are more of an external aid for striking for sure. But I digress, nobody here agrees with me lol.

Post #227 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:37 pm

AirCanadaMouse wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Ortega should just go the Maia route and just go all out with the BJJ. He seems to just try and brawl for a few minutes then finally goes to his BJJ. Once that dude gets a hand on someone it's basically over, his chokes are special.

Just him baiting in his opponent to move inside more imo.

I think some of it is that and some of it is him trying to prove he can stand up and bang. I think though if he just went full Maia sand basically throw a jab then just try and bear hug the guy right away he would end fights unbelievably quick. He's just on another level with his chokes.

REDDzone · Post #228 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Jan 8, 2018 8:01 pm

Pretty surprised to see Stephens more than a +150 underdog in some places to Doo Ho Choi. Stylistically great matchup for Stephens IMO. Probably going to make a decent size bet on that one.

Post #229 » by **CPT** » Tue Jan 9, 2018 3:24 pm

REDDzone wrote:Pretty surprised to see Stephens more than a +150 underdog in some places to Doo Ho Choi. Stylistically great matchup for Stephens IMO. Probably going to make a decent size bet on that one.

Yeah that seems like the kind of fight Stephens usually wins.

tjumper78 · Post #230 » by **tjumper78** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:27 pm

choi-stephens is a very solid card, probably for not the casuals tho.
been following and rooting for choi the past few years but stephens is one of my all-time favorites, so i am both sad and excited for this fight. i think stephens gets knocked out rather quickly.

REDDzone · Post #231 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:52 pm

Am I taking crazy pills? Why does that seem to be the sentiment? ^^^^

Stephens has never even been KOed as far as I'm aware. Isn't Choi the guy who took the ass kicking of the year by gatekeeper Cub Swanson? For a second there I panicked because I bet on Stephens and was worried I had mixed Choi up with someone else - but sure enough that's the guy I was thinking of.

Post #232 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:58 pm

I think Cub is way better than Stephens though, not a fair comparison. Plus, looks like Choi has a ridiculous iron chin.

REDDzone · Post #233 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:04 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I think Cub is way better than Stephens though, not a fair comparison. Plus, looks like Choi has a ridiculous iron chin.

MMAMatch but humor me for a moment...is the difference between Cub and Stephens greater than the difference between Choi taking the asswhipping of the year and winning by KO?

Stephens and Cub fought not TOO long ago and it was a very close fight IIRC.

Bernman · Post #234 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:41 pm

Uriah Hall didn't show up for weigh-ins for undisclosed reasons. And the hits keep on coming. Now Johnson-Elkins isn't a sign of depth, but much needed to fill out the main card with adequate quality.

Jasen777 · Post #235 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:10 pm

Bernman wrote:Uriah Hall didn't show up for weigh-ins for undisclosed reasons.

Per Helwani, fainted and possibly had a seizure on his way to weigh-ins.

Bernman · Post #236 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:27 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Bernman wrote:Uriah Hall didn't show up for weigh-ins for undisclosed reasons.

Per Helwani, fainted and possibly had a seizure on his way to weigh-ins.

Thankfully, seizures the vast majority of time are not nearly as bad as they look, so long as they don't result in you hitting your head. Surge of electrical activity in the brain. Trying to jolt you out of unconsciousness. Sounds like he'll be fine. Needs some electrolytes and calories. Waited a little too long to get them back into his system. Apparently had already gotten his weight down far enough.

I don't know that morning weigh-ins have made health and sport better.

Jasen777 · Post #237 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:36 pm

Bernman wrote:I don't know that morning weigh-ins have made health and sport better.

More fighters have missed weight, which doesn't make much sense, trainers must be doing a horrible job. One worry I had was that fighters might try to make bigger cuts with the extra recovery time, but that doesn't appear to be the case...

OTOH, we got D.C's clutch towel grab out of it (it's not cheating if they somehow forgot to make a rule against it).

Bernman · Post #238 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:10 pm

Jasen777 wrote:More fighters have missed weight, which doesn't make much sense, trainers must be doing a horrible job. One worry I had was that fighters might try to make bigger cuts with the extra recovery time, but that doesn't appear to be the case...

OTOH, we got D.C's clutch towel grab out of it (it's not cheating if they somehow forgot to make a rule against it).

I think fighters are trying to game the weak 20-30% of show money system where it's a good trade-off to be considerably bigger than your opponent to raise chances of getting that win bonus (especially if you're the lower-paid fighter) while decreasing the chances you get hurt.

Also, before you'd have most of a day to cut what's left in the sauna and not eat much. Now you have to sleep, not eat or drink after all that time, and try to cut in the sauna in a short window.

They should just go back to the old standard of night before weigh-ins until they can think of an actually better way. And if they took away 10% percent per pound up to 60%, that would provide deterrence against fighters trying to gain too much of an advantage while risking their health.

Post #239 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:52 pm

I hope Hall is alright. With that said I think the main card did just get a little better. I think the Johnson/Elkins fight is going to be the better fight.

My picks for the main card:
Stevens
VanZant
Meeks
Johnson

Slo · Post #240 » by **Slo** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:24 am

Jesus Johnson that was weak..