Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Simmons25]

Yeah, apparently the most important thing here is who is the consensus pick, not Who do you think is the Best prospect, the most important thing is follow majority.

The "majority"? You mean the actual draft experts that nearly all had Fultz going #1.

Guess there are a lot of stupid experts in the world... and the small minority just happen to know better. That's why they sit on forums not in $200,000k+ scouting roles at NBA clubs

I also think its even more hilarious given you spent nearly all of the last 12 months telling us on here what a bust Ben Simmons was going to be... Mr Expert With your track record I think Fultz is still a chance to make the all-star team.

[LloydFree]

Our pick 1 is fit but too embarrassed to play. That's a good result. Great work Bryan.

I'm not sure it's the #1 pick who is embarrassed. I think the GM is too embarrassed to allow anyone to watch his #1 pick play.

[76ciology]

If you think Harden is a lofty standard. How likely it is for Fultz to be as good as Oladipo 5 years from now? I think there’s a big chance.

And I do think Dipo would have been this good like a 1-2 years ago if he has focused on improving his physique and skillset early on his career.

When Dipo was 19-20, he was just averaging around 30% from 3s and just 10ppg in college. Now Dipo is a 24ppg 5rpg 5apg player with around 40% from 3s.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah, apparently the most important thing here is who is the consensus pick, not Who do you think is the Best prospect, the most important thing is follow majority.

The "majority"? You mean the actual draft experts that nearly all had Fultz going #1.

Guess there are a lot of stupid experts in the world... and the small minority just happen to know better. That's why they sit on forums not in $200,000k+ scouting roles at NBA clubs

I also think its even more hilarious given you spent nearly all of the last 12 months telling us on here what a bust Ben Simmons was going to be... Mr Expert With your track record I think Fultz is still a chance to make the all-star team.

I don't recall saying he would be a bust, just that I thought he wouldn't be great because of his attitude, and it is looking I was wrong on that one.
And I never said choosing Fultz was a mistake or anything, all I said here is IDGAF about consensus, means absolutely nothing what most draft experts are saying, the only thing that matters is what the talent evaluators in your team see, if they thought Fultz was the best prospect then great, but if that decision comes from listening to "most draft experts" then it is laughable.

[ivysixer2000]

This team should've drafted Tatum. Not doing so is going to bite us in the you know what...

Yeah... we should have drafted the consensus #3/4 pick over the consensus #1 that also just happened to be the best perceived fit for our team. Makes perfect sense! And in other news I wish I had bought bitcoin when it was $35.

Yeah I have to wonder if some of these guys actually watch the games. Our backcourt is totally terrible right now with the injuries in addition to it, meanwhile our frontcourt actually looks pretty good at the moment. Should be obvious to anyone actually watching the games that we need a guard.

But maybe they think Bayless is our long term answer at the point, or JJ will be an all-star, or TJ is an all-pro.....who knows. Never seen so many talk about a rookie averaging 14/5/1 while playing over 30 mins a game, you would think he was Jordan at this point. Honestly pretty much almost every rookie has struggled this year (except Tatum on a good team), so if another one was doing well they would say we should've picked him.

We wouldn't hear the end of it if Ball and Josh didn't stink right now. So they have to draw at straws, and the only choice is Tatum as of right now.

[Negrodamus]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

[LloydFree]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Where does this come from? He's not an above average athlete.

[LordCovington33]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Thank you for your expert advice. Much appreciated.

[Negrodamus]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Where does this come from? He's not an above average athlete.

https://youtu.be/LcPAM6_ldK0?t=52s

I mean, that's not an easy dunk to throw down. I think he's above average, but certainly not elite.

[Negrodamus]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Thank you for your expert advice. Much appreciated.

You're welcome! Happy to help!

[JojoSlimbiid]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Thank you for your expert advice. Much appreciated.

[ivysixer2000]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Where does this come from? He's not an above average athlete.

I'm sure he has to be a below average athlete that blocked over a shot a game as a freshman PG and dunks from the free throw line from pretty much the same spot that Jordan did it.

If thats a below average athlete then we need more of them. I don't think he has alot of short area quickness, but saying he isn't at least an above average athlete is just plain incorrect.

[LloydFree]

I don't know how a guard that played dreadful defense, had mediocre finishing ability, and was an above average athlete on a miserable Washington team is the consensus #1 pick. I know that sounds harsh, but he wasn't a player that was clearly above the rest. That said, I probably had him in my top 8 by the draft. He does possess some exceptional abilities, but I wouldn't have invested what we did in him.

Where does this come from? He's not an above average athlete.

https://youtu.be/LcPAM6_ldK0?t=52s

I mean, that's not an easy dunk to throw down. I think he's above average, but certainly not elite.

I guess I'm looking at it as above average for a starting NBA guard as opposed to above average for the average guy that picks up a basketball. He's not an elite athlete, so that shouldn't be what's focused on in his profile. He has above average skill diversity for his age. But he doesn't do anything at an elite level (other than not commit turnovers).

[JojoSlimbiid]

I'm sure he has to be a below average athlete that blocked over a shot a game as a freshman PG and dunks from the free throw line from pretty much the same spot that Jordan did it.

If thats a below average athlete then we need more of them. I don't think he has alot of short area quickness, but saying he isn't at least an above average athlete is just incorrect.

We need more above average athletes like Josh Jackson out there.

[Negrodamus]

Where does this come from? He's not an above average athlete.

https://youtu.be/LcPAM6_ldK0?t=52s

I mean, that's not an easy dunk to throw down. I think he's above average, but certainly not elite.

I guess I'm looking at it as above average for a starting NBA guard as opposed to above average for the average guy that picks up a basketball. He's not an elite athlete, so that shouldn't be what's focused on in his profile. He has above average skill diversity for his age. But he doesn't do anything at an elite level (other than not commit turnovers).

I think he was an elite shot creator from midrange, and there's something to be said for that. He was obviously great at hitting college threes, most of the time creating for himself in that regard too. Not an easy feat.

That's why this injury is very unnerving.

[agiaco]

I can't wait for Fultz to get on the court and *hope* he proves the doubters wrong.

[LloydFree]

https://youtu.be/LcPAM6_ldK0?t=52s

I mean, that's not an easy dunk to throw down. I think he's above average, but certainly not elite.

I guess I'm looking at it as above average for a starting NBA guard as opposed to above average for the average guy that picks up a basketball. He's not an elite athlete, so that shouldn't be what's focused on in his profile. He has above average skill diversity for his age. But he doesn't do anything at an elite level (other than not commit turnovers).

I think he was an elite shot creator from midrange, and there's something to be said for that. He was obviously great at hitting college threes, most of the time creating for himself in that regard too. Not an easy feat.

That's why this injury is very unnerving.

Without elite athleticism, elite midrange shot creation at the college level, makes you Evan Turner.

[spikeslovechild]

We saw Fultz in SL had plenty of range whats this garbage about great at hitting the college three?

[JojoSlimbiid]

We saw Fultz in SL had plenty of range whats this garbage about great at hitting the college three?

We also saw Lonzo Ball and Josh Jackson look competent in SL so there is that.

[Negrodamus]

We saw Fultz in SL had plenty of range whats this garbage about great at hitting the college three?

He was great at hitting the college three. What part of that is incorrect?