Berman: Only one way for Knicks to keep KP around

[Thugger HBC]

I would love to have another top pick. The team is making it clear though they won't deliberately do it. I respect that. As a fan I can't do anything about it anyway.

I still think the team will lose a ton coming soon anyway and will wind up in the lottery regardless. I don't see a playoff team. I don't even see a 30 win team, and that's with KP scoring 25 a game, so while we likely wont be top 5 bad, we will likely be in the lottery and you never know what can happen there.

Either way, I think we have very good scouting and will make a solid choice regardless.

[El Poochio]

Only way to keep KP is signing One Eyed Jack Sessions and go full golden oldies imo

[Kurt Rambis]

I have zero worries about KP going anywhere else. There aren't many places he can be franchise player and get paid/famous/loved as much as in here.

In a doomsday scenerio, as great as KP has been, he isn't young MJ, Lebron, Hakeem, Shaq etc. Not a sure "one of the best ever" type of player.

He'll stay for sure.

[Long2s]

Why do people all assume the team is going to continue to suck on the road?

Knicks are 12-5 at home, that is a GREAT base to build from. All that's needed is to be half as good on the road, the season is long, they will improve.

In addition, Frank is playing his first dozen pro games. Most rookies find their stride after the all star break.

KP, Kanter, Timmy, McBuckets, Frank that's the core you're going to build a strong culture with. Look at Kanter! Playing the best D and passing ball of his career. KP is a winner. It permeates. Yes, he needs to get even better, but he is a real winner. People have forgotten what a winner looks like because of Lebron and his super friends. MJ and Bird, they stuck with the team, yes they bitched, wanted better players (MJ), but they made do with what they had in the meantime. KP has supreme confidence, he believes he can win with these guys. And they respond to that.

What I'd like to see is KOQ and Lee gone for better pieces. I'd prefer a starting role for McBuckets. There's more than one way to win in a trade, doesn't have to "win" the trade, you can swap a rebounder for a more suitable offensive player. You can swap Lee to a team high in centers but low in perimeter shooting and vice versa O'quinn.

[dakomish23]

No, I said everyone would love a top 5 pick if there were no strings attached.

Both sides have merit, and both sides are still on the table at this point in the season, which is why management is letting things play out.

Why does anyone have to draw a line in the sand?

What does it matter if they do?

There are no strings attached. Not sure what that’s supposed to mean. We own our pick outright.

You felt the need to defend the pro winning side of the argument when I agreed with some one else on the pro top pick side of the argument.

Now both sides have merit.

There are strings attached. Namely KP being against it and wanting to play in the playoffs sooner than later. We can't tank if he's playing, and he doesn't seem like he's down for sitting for no reason.

And I've told you more than once that I'm not against tanking. Who doesn't want to a high draft pick? Too bad it comes with a ton of losing and pissing off your franchise player.

I've also said that a 35 win season has value if KP dominates, we clarify McD and Enes' place on this team and Frank, Dotson, Willy, Baker grow in a winning culture and give us something to build. I think we'll still get a good player from 10-12.

It's not that hard, amigo.

I never once expressed an anti-tanking sentiment. I've expressed an anti-whining about every day when management has been crystal clear what their plan is.

It’s easy to defend your opinion when you keep the safety net of being a 100% in favor of the opposite of that opinion.

Whiner? You’re the one who’s starts quoting others and complains they don’t see the current state of the team the same way as you do.

[stuporman]

At least the Knicks aren't in selfish me first hell like OKC.

[GONYK]

There are no strings attached. Not sure what that’s supposed to mean. We own our pick outright.

You felt the need to defend the pro winning side of the argument when I agreed with some one else on the pro top pick side of the argument.

Now both sides have merit.

There are strings attached. Namely KP being against it and wanting to play in the playoffs sooner than later. We can't tank if he's playing, and he doesn't seem like he's down for sitting for no reason.

And I've told you more than once that I'm not against tanking. Who doesn't want to a high draft pick? Too bad it comes with a ton of losing and pissing off your franchise player.

I've also said that a 35 win season has value if KP dominates, we clarify McD and Enes' place on this team and Frank, Dotson, Willy, Baker grow in a winning culture and give us something to build. I think we'll still get a good player from 10-12.

It's not that hard, amigo.

I never once expressed an anti-tanking sentiment. I've expressed an anti-whining about every day when management has been crystal clear what their plan is.

It’s easy to defend your opinion when you keep the safety net of being a 100% in favor of the opposite of that opinion.

Whiner? You’re the one who’s starts quoting others and complains they don’t see the current state of the team the same way as you do.

No, its easy to maintain perspective when you're able to accept reality and not be entirely wrapped up in your own preferences.

I also never quoted you first, nor got personal with you first. You did both things. I just obliged the conversation. Not my fault you don't like how it went.

[Greenie]

At least the Knicks aren't in selfish me first hell like OKC.

Welp

[Clyde_Style]

I would love to have another top pick. The team is making it clear though they won't deliberately do it. I respect that. As a fan I can't do anything about it anyway.

I still think the team will lose a ton coming soon anyway and will wind up in the lottery regardless. I don't see a playoff team. I don't even see a 30 win team, and that's with KP scoring 25 a game, so while we likely wont be top 5 bad, we will likely be in the lottery and you never know what can happen there.

Either way, I think we have very good scouting and will make a solid choice regardless.

If Doug and Baker and Frank all continue to improve the team may actually hit a better groove and win games they would currently lose so I think right now its a coin toss as to whether this is a playoff team. If those guys start cooking it will compensate for the loss of Tim and/or Kanter's physical issues.

There actually still is some upside to this season in terms of how well they can play. It could put them into the playoffs.

[dakomish23]

There are strings attached. Namely KP being against it and wanting to play in the playoffs sooner than later. We can't tank if he's playing, and he doesn't seem like he's down for sitting for no reason.

And I've told you more than once that I'm not against tanking. Who doesn't want to a high draft pick? Too bad it comes with a ton of losing and pissing off your franchise player.

I've also said that a 35 win season has value if KP dominates, we clarify McD and Enes' place on this team and Frank, Dotson, Willy, Baker grow in a winning culture and give us something to build. I think we'll still get a good player from 10-12.

It's not that hard, amigo.

I never once expressed an anti-tanking sentiment. I've expressed an anti-whining about every day when management has been crystal clear what their plan is.

It’s easy to defend your opinion when you keep the safety net of being a 100% in favor of the opposite of that opinion.

Whiner? You’re the one who’s starts quoting others and complains they don’t see the current state of the team the same way as you do.

No, its easy to maintain perspective when you're able to accept reality and not be entirely wrapped up in your own preferences.

I also never quoted you first, nor got personal with you first. You did both things. I just obliged the conversation. Not my fault you don't like how it went.

Nope

This current back and forth started with you quoting me

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1646675&start=160#p61141313

Maybe you lied about it because you don’t like how it went

[El Poochio]

LOL at people in here thinking we are close to being a playoff team. How many times we gotta go through this? Jarret Jack is our starting point guard. Courtney Lee is our 2nd most consistant player on the team. At best we are a fringe-playoff team RIGHT NOW. What about 2 years down the line, then what? Free agency again? Right, because we haven't been down that road before.

People think that the posters on this board who want a proper rebuild don't want to win, and want to "institutionalize losing". No, what we want is to add young, talented building blocks for YEARS to come, instead of having to go out and find replacements again for the vets we are relying on to win right now. Kristaps won't be able to it all alone, and he will need all the help he can get if we are serious about competing for a championship, instead of being contempt with just making the playoffs and being tossed out in the 1st round.

Looks like we are well on our way of squeezing 1-2 good playoff run with KP, maybe even squeeze a championship like Mavs if every planet fall in line, instead of building a dynasty

This team's goal this year should have been draft over playoffs, on how to acquire higher picks, how to get more picks, in addition to more better picks how to get more young prospects to see if they can grow into something more than your 1 year vet signing and be part of your future dynasty for a discount price for years to come, from front office standpoint the priority had to be draft over playoffs the timing is not right to aspire to be a competitive team, especially not when One Eyed Jack Sessions is your lead guard crop Beas Lance Lee your star wings

THJ, McBuckets, Burke, in addition to Noah, should have been this team's vets, oldest players

If you right now swapped squads with Brooklyn, no doubt in my mind Brooklyn front office and Kenny Atkinson would build a future dynasty with what they would have, while Knicks would suck for 20 years straight, Brooklyn are so much more devoid of talent yet they are winning, and will win, similar amount of games to Knicks, by just consistently preaching the right principles alone, pushing up the pace having the fastest team in all league and play a modern basketball while we keep working on midrange offense where rest of the league approach as a minefield

At least with Phil I knew he would kill the draft, now I dont even trust this new regime drafting well, how deluded you must be bringing Zach Randolph George Hill to Sacramento Kings to play the worst basketball ever known to humans, bigging up the vets you signed in Knicks even to a question asked purely about your young prospects?

Steve Mills signed back THJ which looks like a beast decision and decisively let Rose go despite having a special connection good relationship with him so he is 2/2 SAVE US STEVE MILLS YOU ARE OUR ONLY HOPE STICK TO YOUR U25 VISION

[GONYK]

It’s easy to defend your opinion when you keep the safety net of being a 100% in favor of the opposite of that opinion.

Whiner? You’re the one who’s starts quoting others and complains they don’t see the current state of the team the same way as you do.

No, its easy to maintain perspective when you're able to accept reality and not be entirely wrapped up in your own preferences.

I also never quoted you first, nor got personal with you first. You did both things. I just obliged the conversation. Not my fault you don't like how it went.

Nope

This current back and forth started with you quoting me

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1646675&start=160#p61141313

Maybe you lied about it because you don’t like how it went

Nope, our interaction today started with this :

viewtopic.php?p=61140095#p61140095

I was just continuing it in that post.

When did you get so sensitive?

[El Poochio]

More of the same.
Tired of this crap with this team.

A wise man once said "You can't rebuild in New York"

[Clyde_Style]

Sad Poochie

[El Poochio]

KP grew up on the era where you could enter the NBA and start winning everything by your talent alone, we are in the Era of Juniors now KP, you are not the only Unicorn running around, it is much more evolved competitive and full of freaks, unique talent

[Thugger HBC]

I would love to have another top pick. The team is making it clear though they won't deliberately do it. I respect that. As a fan I can't do anything about it anyway.

I still think the team will lose a ton coming soon anyway and will wind up in the lottery regardless. I don't see a playoff team. I don't even see a 30 win team, and that's with KP scoring 25 a game, so while we likely wont be top 5 bad, we will likely be in the lottery and you never know what can happen there.

Either way, I think we have very good scouting and will make a solid choice regardless.

If Doug and Baker and Frank all continue to improve the team may actually hit a better groove and win games they would currently lose so I think right now its a coin toss as to whether this is a playoff team. If those guys start cooking it will compensate for the loss of Tim and/or Kanter's physical issues.

There actually still is some upside to this season in terms of how well they can play. It could put them into the playoffs.

Duly noted, just dont see it. I'll emjoy it either way.

[dakomish23]

No, its easy to maintain perspective when you're able to accept reality and not be entirely wrapped up in your own preferences.

I also never quoted you first, nor got personal with you first. You did both things. I just obliged the conversation. Not my fault you don't like how it went.

Nope

This current back and forth started with you quoting me

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1646675&start=160#p61141313

Maybe you lied about it because you don’t like how it went

Nope, our interaction today started with this :

viewtopic.php?p=61140095#p61140095

I was just continuing it in that post.

When did you get so sensitive?

Now the post that led to the current conversation doesn’t count?

I’m not being sensitive or being a whiner. You just don’t like I don’t see everything this team does as the greatest decision ever made.

[El Poochio]

Sad Poochie

Watch on YouTube

[Billy Goat]

Here's an idea. KP plays better and we'll be in the playoffs. The hovering around the perimeter and taking covered jumpers 15 times a game while being allergic to rebounding wont get you there. KP isnt being held back by a bad roster, he's just not playing well.

There should be some honest questions asked about his future and how good they really think he's going to be before they over commit.

[GONYK]

Nope

This current back and forth started with you quoting me

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1646675&start=160#p61141313

Maybe you lied about it because you don’t like how it went

Nope, our interaction today started with this :

viewtopic.php?p=61140095#p61140095

I was just continuing it in that post.

When did you get so sensitive?

Now the post that led to the current conversation doesn’t count?

I’m not being sensitive or being a whiner. You just don’t like I don’t see everything this team does as the greatest decision ever made.

Glad you're not denying that you engaged me first.

Once again, you're wrong. I don't like that:

1. People can't accept reality.

2. You can't seem to be able to make a point without trying the get personal.