Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Negrodamus]

that would make too much sense tho.

can't have that around here.

come on son

The annoying part of this ridiculous saga is that it's easier to be blissfully ignorant to the absurdity and believe that this entire situation was only about his shoulder. So when he comes back and plays well (which everyone on this board is hoping for), there will be a handful of posters on here that will make it intolerable when they go on some self righteous witch hunt over the posters that have been skeptical over a very ambiguous situation.

I do have a question, don't you think that there is also that handful of posters that are making posting and reading here intolerable right now and over the past few months?

Goes both ways man, throw out all that hate and they gotta be man enough to handle the consequences of those actions whether you want to call it a witch hunt or not.

I need more clarification on “hate”. If skepticism is hate, which I don’t believe it is, then I’ve been very “hateful”. The handling of this situation with zero answers has created this thought process. It has now crescendoed into Fultz having no pain and sitting out for 3 weeks. It doesn’t make sense. When things don’t make sense, human nature is to fill the voids based on the information at hand to provide their own clarification.

But I’m not sure who qualifies for that handful of posters. I know people had issues with Unbreakable, but it was more his Lonzo material than Fultz. Other than that, I don’t recall anyone being insufferable about this. Remember we’re talking about the #1 pick that is supposed to save out backcourt and effectively end the the 3 year suffering, and he’s now a healthy scratch. If you (Colangelo) don’t want fans (and media) to fill in the gaps with wrong information, maybe be more transparent.

[CelticsWin5]

If you’re short term bias, then yeah definitely. Atleast he can play and shoot almost 50% from 3s

actually, Tatum leads the league in 3pt %. Tatum shot 78% from 3pt in games last week (52% for the season). At the Celtics board, we actually calculated using binomial distribution that Tatum has a low chance (3%) to regress to 42% because we are so deep into the season. Even if he regresses to 45%, that is Ray Allens best season. So prime ray allen is tatums floor this season for the 3pt

What is the volume of 3 pt shots he takes compared to Allen? Tatum takes 1.6 shots per game. Ray Allen took 2.3 per game for his career, and his highest was 3.4. So no, that doesn't compare to Ray Allen's percentages.

I could shoot 50% on 3 pointers by making 1 of 2. That does not mean I'm a better shooter than Ray Allen. The same thing goes for Jayson Tatum. Heck even if Tatum was shooting at the volume that Allen did, he needs to have a career before saying his floor for 3pt shot is prime Ray Allen.

I think you're minimizing what Tatum is doing right now a tad too much. He's a rookie yet looking solid out there taking smart shots and now leading the league in a statistical category. One of his weaknesses before the draft was 3pt shooting

[timLH]

If anyone wants a break from wild speculation about injuries we have no way of knowing anything about, I was looking at Porter highlights the other day and saw this Fultz vid that was unexpectedly interesting. It's from 2016 FIBA U18 tourney, games are sloppy and defense weak but the pace is also faster than at his UW/NCAA ones, and you can see a little more how some of his skills might be useful in the quicker and more open NBA games. He's still not exactly explosive but he shows some great crossovers, stutter steps, etc, plus some floaters and in-between moves that will be available to him in NBA games.

Watch on YouTube

I have a feeling it will be a Fultz-Porter reunion this year.

[CelticsWin5]

If anyone wants a break from wild speculation about injuries we have no way of knowing anything about, I was looking at Porter highlights the other day and saw this Fultz vid that was unexpectedly interesting. It's from 2016 FIBA U18 tourney, games are sloppy and defense weak but the pace is also faster than at his UW/NCAA ones, and you can see a little more how some of his skills might be useful in the quicker and more open NBA games. He's still not exactly explosive but he shows some great crossovers, stutter steps, etc, plus some floaters and in-between moves that will be available to him in NBA games.

Watch on YouTube

I have a feeling it will be a Fultz-Porter reunion this year.

How so? The draft isn’t this year it’s next year. Also, Lakers aren’t the worst team in the league and porter isn’t falling past 5 even if his leg is amputated.

[timLH]

If anyone wants a break from wild speculation about injuries we have no way of knowing anything about, I was looking at Porter highlights the other day and saw this Fultz vid that was unexpectedly interesting. It's from 2016 FIBA U18 tourney, games are sloppy and defense weak but the pace is also faster than at his UW/NCAA ones, and you can see a little more how some of his skills might be useful in the quicker and more open NBA games. He's still not exactly explosive but he shows some great crossovers, stutter steps, etc, plus some floaters and in-between moves that will be available to him in NBA games.

Watch on YouTube

I have a feeling it will be a Fultz-Porter reunion this year.

How so? The draft isn’t this year it’s next year. Also, Lakers aren’t the worst team in the league and porter isn’t falling past 5 even if his leg is amputated.

If LAL at #6, and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Sexton, Young or even Jackson continue playing well, together with Doncic, there is a chance.

[76ciology]

Man.. Watched the Rox game and saw how lethal an offense with two guys who can create plays on offense at perimeter with volume play, alongside spacers and elite finishing big. Cant wait for a healthy Fultz

[Ericb5]

Man.. Watched the Rox game and saw how lethal an offense with two guys who can create plays on offense at perimeter with volume play, alongside spacers and elite finishing big. Cant wait for a healthy Fultz

That's the model, but you add in a dominant big man on both ends of the floor, as opposed to just finishing bigs, and you have the making of a dominant team.

If Fultz is what we think he is then he will improve his tremendously once he matures a bit.

[HartfordWhalers]

Spoiler:

Posts like this will always result in a warning. Absolutely don't do it again. Thanks.

[CelticsWin5]

I have a feeling it will be a Fultz-Porter reunion this year.

How so? The draft isn’t this year it’s next year. Also, Lakers aren’t the worst team in the league and porter isn’t falling past 5 even if his leg is amputated.

If LAL at #6, and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Sexton, Young or even Jackson continue playing well, together with Doncic, there is a chance.

bamba, sexton, and Jackson are not being drafted above porter. I don't even know who Young is. That is pure delusion. Embiid had a back and foot injury and was taken 3rd. Kyrie injured taken 1st. Porter isn't leaving the top 5. Celtics are taking him at 5 if he's there.

[mj23z]

How so? The draft isn’t this year it’s next year. Also, Lakers aren’t the worst team in the league and porter isn’t falling past 5 even if his leg is amputated.

If LAL at #6, and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Sexton, Young or even Jackson continue playing well, together with Doncic, there is a chance.

bamba, sexton, and Jackson are not being drafted above porter. I don't even know who Young is. That is pure delusion. Embiid had a back and foot injury and was taken 3rd. Kyrie injured taken 1st. Porter isn't leaving the top 5. Celtics are taking him at 5 if he's there.

So you already know exactly how MPJr will recover from his back injury and how his rehab will go? And you already know exactly how the season will play out? Wow, that's an awfully confident draft prediction for someone who doesn't even know who Trae Young is.

You should just stick to being an annoying Tatum homer because at least then you have some idea what you're talking about.

Also Kyrie and Embiid both proved themselves at College level, in fact they both dominated the College level. MPJr hasn't proven ANYTHING yet. The comparison is silly. Harry Giles was the consensus #1 pick going into last College season, after his injury he fell to pick 20.
Be honest, you have no idea where he will go in the draft. Nobody does. Not even the best scouts in the NBA would know at this stage how it's all going to play out.

[LordCovington33]

If LAL at #6, and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Sexton, Young or even Jackson continue playing well, together with Doncic, there is a chance.

bamba, sexton, and Jackson are not being drafted above porter. I don't even know who Young is. That is pure delusion. Embiid had a back and foot injury and was taken 3rd. Kyrie injured taken 1st. Porter isn't leaving the top 5. Celtics are taking him at 5 if he's there.

So you already know exactly how MPJr will recover from his back injury and how his rehab will go? And you already know exactly how the season will play out? Wow, that's an awfully confident draft prediction for someone who doesn't even know who Trae Young is.

You should just stick to being an annoying Tatum homer because at least then you have some idea what you're talking about.

Also Kyrie and Embiid both proved themselves at College level, in fact they both dominated the College level. MPJr hasn't proven ANYTHING yet. The comparison is silly. Harry Giles was the consensus #1 pick going into last College season, after his injury he fell to pick 20.
Be honest, you have no idea where he will go in the draft. Nobody does. Not even the best scouts in the NBA would know at this stage how it's all going to play out.

See my signature. Apparently Simmons defence is especially bad. Does not even know how to spell his name.

[CelticsWin5]

bamba, sexton, and Jackson are not being drafted above porter. I don't even know who Young is. That is pure delusion. Embiid had a back and foot injury and was taken 3rd. Kyrie injured taken 1st. Porter isn't leaving the top 5. Celtics are taking him at 5 if he's there.

So you already know exactly how MPJr will recover from his back injury and how his rehab will go? And you already know exactly how the season will play out? Wow, that's an awfully confident draft prediction for someone who doesn't even know who Trae Young is.

You should just stick to being an annoying Tatum homer because at least then you have some idea what you're talking about.

Also Kyrie and Embiid both proved themselves at College level, in fact they both dominated the College level. MPJr hasn't proven ANYTHING yet. The comparison is silly. Harry Giles was the consensus #1 pick going into last College season, after his injury he fell to pick 20.
Be honest, you have no idea where he will go in the draft. Nobody does. Not even the best scouts in the NBA would know at this stage how it's all going to play out.

See my signature. Apparently Simmons defence is especially bad. Does not even know how to spell his name.

He is. Fultz is pretty bad too. Embiid slacks off at times too

[MR28]

Can we do something about the 1000th troll to come on our forum this week.

[Bum Adebayo]

I am the biggest Simmons hater you'll find and I'd never say he is bad

[HotelVitale]

actually, Tatum leads the league in 3pt %. Tatum shot 78% from 3pt in games last week (52% for the season). At the Celtics board, we actually calculated using binomial distribution that Tatum has a low chance (3%) to regress to 42% because we are so deep into the season. Even if he regresses to 45%, that is Ray Allens best season. So prime ray allen is tatums floor this season for the 3pt

. Heck even if Tatum was shooting at the volume that Allen did, he needs to have a career before saying his floor for 3pt shot is prime Ray Allen.

I think you're minimizing what Tatum is doing right now a tad too much. He's a rookie yet looking solid out there taking smart shots and now leading the league in a statistical category. One of his weaknesses before the draft was 3pt shooting

Yeah he's been better than pretty much anyone thought, anyone telling you otherwise is just sore about that stupid trade. I liked him and had him in my top-5 tier, but I still worried about him fitting into an offense (and not needing to iso constantly to be effective), but he's actually been excellent at that. I'm fine with giving big props to Tatum and throwing big shade at Colangelo, given what's happened so far.

(That said, there is a huge difference between Tatum being really good and Tatum being a star, we definitely don't have any idea about that yet.)

[JojoSlimbiid]

I do have a question, don't you think that there is also that handful of posters that are making posting and reading here intolerable right now and over the past few months?

Goes both ways man, throw out all that hate and they gotta be man enough to handle the consequences of those actions whether you want to call it a witch hunt or not.

Tell you right now. When Fultz comes back and plays like I expect him to. I'll probably be banned a few days after. No one is getting spared regardless of what was said. Already got a new place to discuss the 6ers lined up. Not gonna want to hear anything about baiting or trolling after this **** of a thread the last few months.

[bball4life]

Maybe Tatum's lovely 1 for 7 for 4 points without Kyrie in the lineup to the atrocious Bulls will put a little damper on the Tatum superstar talk.

On to Fultz... I'm still having a hard time understanding another 3 weeks if his shoulder is 100% and pain free. We could really use someone who can score at this point. I can only handle so much more of 2017 TLC.

[Mik317]

Maybe Tatum's lovely 1 for 7 for 4 points without Kyrie in the lineup to the atrocious Bulls will put a little damper on the Tatum superstar talk.

On to Fultz... I'm still having a hard time understanding another 3 weeks if his shoulder is 100% and pain free. We could really use someone who can score at this point. I can only handle so much more of 2017 TLC.

TBF it was one game and a back to back.

I think Tatum is being pumped up a bit too much too but lets be fair here. He's doing great in his role and his shooting has been gdlk. Nothing else needs to be said really. Sure he's not option 1 or even 3 on his team but remember his biggest flaw was that he was an iso only guy who needed the rock...that has not been the case at all...he should get credit for that at the very least..plus dude is 19 and as such has time to grow. As much as I would love for him to be mediocre as ****....he's not. That doesn't mean he's the next coming of Jordan or that I wish we had him either...but lets not stoop to the level of trash and gloat after he has a bad game. Thats what loser fanbases do.

[Negrodamus]

I don't even know who Young is.

Lol. Doesn't know who Trae Young is.

[bball4life]

Maybe Tatum's lovely 1 for 7 for 4 points without Kyrie in the lineup to the atrocious Bulls will put a little damper on the Tatum superstar talk.

On to Fultz... I'm still having a hard time understanding another 3 weeks if his shoulder is 100% and pain free. We could really use someone who can score at this point. I can only handle so much more of 2017 TLC.

TBF it was one game and a back to back.

I think Tatum is being pumped up a bit too much too but lets be fair here. He's doing great in his role and his shooting has been gdlk. Nothing else needs to be said really. Sure he's not option 1 or even 3 on his team but remember his biggest flaw was that he was an iso only guy who needed the rock...that has not been the case at all...he should get credit for that at the very least..plus dude is 19 and as such has time to grow. As much as I would love for him to be mediocre as ****....he's not. That doesn't mean he's the next coming of Jordan or that I wish we had him either...but lets not stoop to the level of trash and gloat after he has a bad game. Thats what loser fanbases do.

Listen, I think Tatum is a solid player who is going to have a good career. But Celtics fans coming into the Fultz thread to pump up their pick to make themselves feel better is silly. I think he's going to be a good third option / team guy on a good team. That's decent value for the 3 pick.