Harden is the best player in the NBA

[ThatBoyNick]

I did, and yes he does lead the league in shot attempts, hes 3rd in turnovers this year while breaking the all time record each of the past two seasons and yes, he is still below average on defense.

FG attempts per game? then yes. Not sure why this is a problem, as Harden is scoring very efficiently.

The defense, while not great, is better than previous years. Houston is a pretty good defensive team this season tho.

No, hes not.

James Harden currently ranks 28th in the NBA in FG% among NON CENTERS that receive 30+ mins a game. Including Centers, he ranks 44th in the NBA in FG% of players who play 30+ mins per game.

Lmao! This is such a terrible, terrible take.

Harden is 4th in TS% for players who make more then 6 field goals per game, with a whopping 63.4%. He's more effecient then KD and Thompson for example.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGM_PG*GE*6&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Considering he leads the league in scoring and assist %, his effeciency is absolutely fantastic this year.

[kayman3]

FG attempts per game? then yes. Not sure why this is a problem, as Harden is scoring very efficiently.

The defense, while not great, is better than previous years. Houston is a pretty good defensive team this season tho.

No, hes not.

James Harden currently ranks 28th in the NBA in FG% among NON CENTERS that receive 30+ mins a game. Including Centers, he ranks 44th in the NBA in FG% of players who play 30+ mins per game.

Lmao! This is such a terrible, terrible take.

Harden is 4th in TS% for players who make more then 6 field goals per game, with a whopping 63.4%. He's more effecient then KD and Thompson for example.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGM_PG*GE*6&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Considering he leads the league and scoring, and assist %, his effeciency is absolutely fantastic this year.

It's a common mistake that people make (confusing FG% with efficiency.)

The easiest way to understand this is Derozan averaging 47% and Curry averaging 47% is a totally different matter, because of the differences in three pointers.

This video explains it nicely

Watch on YouTube

[zimpy27]

I think Harden is the best offensive player in the league currently. Not best overall.

[ILOVEIT]

I'm sorry...is he playing defense yet for the first time in his career? If he's not...then he is a top 5 offensive player and a top 15 all around player.

[INKtastic]

FG attempts per game? then yes. Not sure why this is a problem, as Harden is scoring very efficiently.

The defense, while not great, is better than previous years. Houston is a pretty good defensive team this season tho.

No, hes not.

James Harden currently ranks 28th in the NBA in FG% among NON CENTERS that receive 30+ mins a game. Including Centers, he ranks 44th in the NBA in FG% of players who play 30+ mins per game.

Lmao! This is such a terrible, terrible take.

Harden is 4th in TS% for players who make more then 6 field goals per game, with a whopping 63.4%. He's more effecient then KD and Thompson for example.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGM_PG*GE*6&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Considering he leads the league and scoring, and assist %, his effeciency is absolutely fantastic this year.

Which puts him just 3 spots behind the best player in the league and his TS% of "a whopping" 65.8%

[PhilBlackson]

I'll take LeBron James 11x out of 10.

[TurboTitan]

mvp for sure

[LivingLegend]

James Harden currently ranks 28th in the NBA in FG% among NON CENTERS that receive 30+ mins a game. Including Centers, he ranks 44th in the NBA in FG% of players who play 30+ mins per game.

C'mon really? Harden takes 11 threes a game which he hits them at 40.6% clip, which obviously brings down his overall FG%. A player like DeRozan who rarely takes any threes can average 50 FG%, it doesn't mean DeRozan is more efficient than Curry or Harden.

That's why we have stats like eFG% and TS%. DeRozan has higher FG% than both Curry and Harden, but his actual efficiency is much lower.

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player. If the 3 ball is the case then he should probably take 4-5 less per game and mix in some more quality possessions. Ive watched Harden play enough to know of the 21 shots he takes per game, about 6 of them are complete low percentage heaves. Usually on a 3 point shot.

11 three point attempts a game is absurd for anybody. Klay Thompson shoots 7 per game and that is considered a lot--however he also still manages to shoot over 50% regardless.

[manou]

Did everyone forget his dismal game 5 against the Spurs, and his total "I don't care" game 6 ?
I also remember his atrocious finals against the heat.
When it mattered the most, he didn't deliver. Something you cannot say about LeBron, Durant Curry or kawhi.

[ThatBoyNick]

No, hes not.

James Harden currently ranks 28th in the NBA in FG% among NON CENTERS that receive 30+ mins a game. Including Centers, he ranks 44th in the NBA in FG% of players who play 30+ mins per game.

Lmao! This is such a terrible, terrible take.

Harden is 4th in TS% for players who make more then 6 field goals per game, with a whopping 63.4%. He's more effecient then KD and Thompson for example.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGM_PG*GE*6&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Considering he leads the league and scoring, and assist %, his effeciency is absolutely fantastic this year.

Which puts him just 3 spots behind the best player in the league and his TS% of "a whopping" 65.8%

My comment had nothing to do with Harden being the best player in the league, or Lebron at all? It was strictly Hardens effeciency. I said Harden was 4th which would imply he's not 1st correct?

And yes, Lebron is having an absolutely mind blowing offensive season.

[ThatBoyNick]

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player.

Dude, you are VERY wrong.

[LivingLegend]

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player.

Dude, you are VERY wrong.

lol cmon man, Im not saying it makes him a bad player or anything but there are 3 things that clearly stick out about James Hardens game in a nutshell. 1) Turnovers 2) Low% volume scoring 3) below average defense.

He is a incredible scorer and finisher, but efficient is not a word in the top 20 I dont think anybody would use to describe his game.

He shoots a league high 21 shots per game and 11 threes. He better be scoring 30+ with those numbers.

[Gil]

I did, and yes he does lead the league in shot attempts, hes 3rd in turnovers this year while breaking the all time record each of the past two seasons and yes, he is still below average on defense.

FG attempts per game? then yes. Not sure why this is a problem, as Harden is scoring very efficiently.

The defense, while not great, is better than previous years. Houston is a pretty good defensive team this season tho.

Better than previous years is still far from good.

He took over defensively last night. Making several good stops, clutch steals & even a block on Cousins that was unfairly deemed a foul.

Watch on YouTube

[NBA Fan 1234]

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player.

Dude, you are VERY wrong.

Yeah...you can hate on Harden for things like defense and turnovers, but efficiency is absolutely not one of them.

[NBA Fan 1234]

FG attempts per game? then yes. Not sure why this is a problem, as Harden is scoring very efficiently.

The defense, while not great, is better than previous years. Houston is a pretty good defensive team this season tho.

Better than previous years is still far from good.

He took over defensively last night. Making several good stops, clutch steals & even a block on Cousins that was unfairly deemed a foul.

Watch on YouTube

That's all well and good, but there's a reason why opponents are shooting nearly 2% above their average on the season when Harden is the one guarding him. Improved, yes, good, no.

[kayman3]

James Harden currently ranks 28th in the NBA in FG% among NON CENTERS that receive 30+ mins a game. Including Centers, he ranks 44th in the NBA in FG% of players who play 30+ mins per game.

C'mon really? Harden takes 11 threes a game which he hits them at 40.6% clip, which obviously brings down his overall FG%. A player like DeRozan who rarely takes any threes can average 50 FG%, it doesn't mean DeRozan is more efficient than Curry or Harden.

That's why we have stats like eFG% and TS%. DeRozan has higher FG% than both Curry and Harden, but his actual efficiency is much lower.

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player. If the 3 ball is the case then he should probably take 4-5 less per game and mix in some more quality possessions. Ive watched Harden play enough to know of the 21 shots he takes per game, about 6 of them are complete low percentage heaves. Usually on a 3 point shot.

I think you still don't understand the concept of efficiency.

If a player A takes 10 two pointers and hits them at 50%, then he's made 5 two pointers. He produced 10 points in total.

If a player B takes 10 three pointers and his them at 40%, then he's made 4 three pointers. He produced 12 points in total.

Player B has lower FG%, but produced more points with the same amount of shot attempts.

This is why nobody says DeAndre Jordan (who regularly averages 60+ FG%) is more efficient than Curry.

[Zingod]

He always chokes when it matters.

Arizona state
Okc 2012 finals
Meltdown last year
Etc etc

[LivingLegend]

C'mon really? Harden takes 11 threes a game which he hits them at 40.6% clip, which obviously brings down his overall FG%. A player like DeRozan who rarely takes any threes can average 50 FG%, it doesn't mean DeRozan is more efficient than Curry or Harden.

That's why we have stats like eFG% and TS%. DeRozan has higher FG% than both Curry and Harden, but his actual efficiency is much lower.

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player. If the 3 ball is the case then he should probably take 4-5 less per game and mix in some more quality possessions. Ive watched Harden play enough to know of the 21 shots he takes per game, about 6 of them are complete low percentage heaves. Usually on a 3 point shot.

I think you still don't understand the concept of efficiency.

If a player A takes 10 two pointers and hits them at 50%, then he's made 5 two pointers. He produced 10 points in total.

If a player B takes 10 three pointers and this them at 40%, then he's made 4 three pointers. He produced 12 points in total.

Player B has lower FG%, but produced more points with the same amount of shot attempts.

This is why nobody says DeAndre Jordan (who regularly averages 60+ FG%) is more efficient than Curry.

I understand that and that would def. be the case if Harden ranked in the top 10 perimeter players in FG% of 30+mpg players. But he doesnt, Hes not even in the top 20 of non centers in FG% that play over 30mins a game.

Klay Thompson is a guy who is the definition of efficient. He is still a 50% FG player despite taking a lot of 3s.

[Gil]

I'm not sure why people keep bringing up last season's Playoffs? I mean he absolutely torched the Spurs until he caught an elbow from Pau.

Also, he's a much better player than he was last season & Houston are a better team. It's pretty irrelevant.

[NBA Fan 1234]

C'mon really? Harden takes 11 threes a game which he hits them at 40.6% clip, which obviously brings down his overall FG%. A player like DeRozan who rarely takes any threes can average 50 FG%, it doesn't mean DeRozan is more efficient than Curry or Harden.

That's why we have stats like eFG% and TS%. DeRozan has higher FG% than both Curry and Harden, but his actual efficiency is much lower.

Not hating on him Im just pointing out he is a very inefficient player. If the 3 ball is the case then he should probably take 4-5 less per game and mix in some more quality possessions. Ive watched Harden play enough to know of the 21 shots he takes per game, about 6 of them are complete low percentage heaves. Usually on a 3 point shot.

I think you still don't understand the concept of efficiency.

If a player A takes 10 two pointers and hits them at 50%, then he's made 5 two pointers. He produced 10 points in total.

If a player B takes 10 three pointers and his them at 40%, then he's made 4 three pointers. He produced 12 points in total.

Player B has lower FG%, but produced more points with the same amount of shot attempts.

This is why nobody says DeAndre Jordan (who regularly averages 60+ FG%) is more efficient than Curry.

DJ is statistically more efficient than Curry.