PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16

[F N 11]

Over the last 6 games, Frank's shooting splits have gone from 34/25/64 to 36/33/72

So from complete liability offensively to below average rookie efficiency

Frank is a shooter though. He's just has to get comfortable with the NBA.

[Clyde_Style]

Tired of seeing dat azz tho

[IAmTheBest]

So, what would it take for the Knicks to get Julius Randle from the Lakers, and would we want to, based on his ability but also that the Knicks would have to resign him.

KOQ and Chicago's 2nd?

WHG and Chicago's 2nd?

Knicks have a center glut, Lakers have a PG glut. I mean, it's not like the Lakers are dying for a C, but how long before Broke Lopez goes down with an injury, plus I know they have a young C to develop, but either of those guys would give them someone who would have some use for a few years.

I guess they could do better than that.

I'll have to rewatch the game - how is Randle on defense?

I just know that after a SF with athleticism and legit offensive skill, the Knicks next need is a young PF with some bounce who can defend and isn't a stiff on offense. I know Randle's shot isn't that great, but he'd be good next to KP where KP slides to C and Randle at PF. Unless his defense is bad. I've never thought it was, but looking for some input from guys who watch more Lakers games than me.

Randle would be an excellent fit with porzingis. his defense is rock solid and he can switch onto any position and hold his own, defensively

I dont think the lakers would move him for hernangomez/koq + a 2nd round pick though. They will use him like dangelo russell most likely - to set up a situation where they can take on superstar players

we'd also have to pay him big bux after a year

[Deeeez Knicks]

So, what would it take for the Knicks to get Julius Randle from the Lakers, and would we want to, based on his ability but also that the Knicks would have to resign him.

KOQ and Chicago's 2nd?

WHG and Chicago's 2nd?

Knicks have a center glut, Lakers have a PG glut. I mean, it's not like the Lakers are dying for a C, but how long before Broke Lopez goes down with an injury, plus I know they have a young C to develop, but either of those guys would give them someone who would have some use for a few years.

I guess they could do better than that.

I'll have to rewatch the game - how is Randle on defense?

I just know that after a SF with athleticism and legit offensive skill, the Knicks next need is a young PF with some bounce who can defend and isn't a stiff on offense. I know Randle's shot isn't that great, but he'd be good next to KP where KP slides to C and Randle at PF. Unless his defense is bad. I've never thought it was, but looking for some input from guys who watch more Lakers games than me.

Randle would fit, but don’t think he is one of our bigger needs and I would not want to pay him a big contract. It would almost compound our problem having too many bigs. We really need a good wing player and more young guards/wings. If we lock up Randle long term with a big contract, it would just leave less money to add quality wings/guards

[Amsterdam]

So, what would it take for the Knicks to get Julius Randle from the Lakers, and would we want to, based on his ability but also that the Knicks would have to resign him.

KOQ and Chicago's 2nd?

WHG and Chicago's 2nd?

Knicks have a center glut, Lakers have a PG glut. I mean, it's not like the Lakers are dying for a C, but how long before Broke Lopez goes down with an injury, plus I know they have a young C to develop, but either of those guys would give them someone who would have some use for a few years.

I guess they could do better than that.

I'll have to rewatch the game - how is Randle on defense?

I just know that after a SF with athleticism and legit offensive skill, the Knicks next need is a young PF with some bounce who can defend and isn't a stiff on offense. I know Randle's shot isn't that great, but he'd be good next to KP where KP slides to C and Randle at PF. Unless his defense is bad. I've never thought it was, but looking for some input from guys who watch more Lakers games than me.

Randle would be an excellent fit with porzingis. his defense is rock solid and he can switch onto any position and hold his own, defensively

I dont think the lakers would move him for hernangomez/koq + a 2nd round pick though. They will use him like dangelo russell most likely - to set up a situation where they can take on superstar players

we'd also have to pay him big bux after a year

Randle's best position is Center and not a need of ours. Why make a lateral trade with Willy or O'Quinn and a pick. I thought we were passed given up picks for non-starters?

[F N 11]

Jeff is doing a great job coaching this year, and the organization is right to let these guys roll and compete. You don't pull the rug out from under KP and the rest of this team like that. You let them grow and fight for the playoffs if that's what they want. How is that not a huge positive for a young team, to rally around its young star and defy expectations?

I also love what Jeff has done with Frank so far. Jeff is a real coach, and had a very nice career as a player. He knows this isn't NBA 2K. He knows this isn't Candyland. He's been bringing Frank along patiently, and now we're starting to see him really find his way. If you ask me, between the improvements in KP, Frank, Timmy, Kanter and Doug... Jeff seems like a perfect fit for a rebuilding and developing team.

If you're the kind of fan who still thinks the Knicks should force this roster to lose games somehow.. you're just wrong. You're wrong to be annoyed by the way this season is going. You're just wrong.

I bet the fans who want Jeff fired are the fans who begged for Luke Walton as Knicks coach. Just like you begged for Tibs and DSJ and Mudiay and for Melo to stay. I bet cha.

Jeff stays, the tank dies, and Perry is allowed more than half an off-season to position this team. They're off to a great start, and I won't allow the next loss to shift my thinking. Let the Knicks live.

I get a season has ups and downs but we cant even beat the worst teams in the league on the road. The team is fun and all but very flawed. The bench players dont always come through like they have in the Lakers and Hawks game. There'es a chit ton of road games coming up in January that can make or break this team. That schedule is devastating. However I have learned its a long long season and the knicks can probably figure out the road by then. If not we are doomed no matter how dominant we are at MSG.

[F N 11]

I'll say one thing.

If Jeff can turn Beasley into a productive player I'll eat my damn hat.

What are we talking about here? PER above 15? What's the benchmark?

I wanna see some hat eating.

Ha Ha sounds like a sig bet

Well I just checked and this season his TS% is .551 so that's pretty good and it surprised me. Small sample size though.

His career PER numbers are super erratic. If he gets it back to 15 that would be great, because that would probably mean he is cutting down on his turnovers and stupid fouls

but he also has to get dialed in defensively.

A stat I don't entirely understand, but maybe to keep an eye on for him is BPM. He is negative his whole career which probably tells a more consistent story about him being a net negative than the wild variations in his PER.

Or not

Just play defense, cut down on the turnovers and stupid fouls. The eye test will be good enough.

Beasley has been trash. Last night was an outer body experience. I took his time and took advantage of mismatches and made the right passes. Besides last night he has been super garbage.

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[F N 11]

The next step for Frank is to actually finish off his drives. He is already showing a great knack for passing out of the pick and roll and finding the Screen man to the hoop (especially with O'Quinn). He is also very comfortable with the pick and Pop (mainly with KP). But when he actually finishes in the lane it will give him even more and easier passing Options and Teams will be forced to give him more room for his Jumper.

WHats crazy he's not super explosive but has shown ability to break down the D. He just has to attack hard at the rim more. He's developing before our eyes.

[mpharris36]

sham's favorite coach at it again...

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i know one things for certain KP would never make it through a full year with Thibs as the coach...

[F N 11]

Frank last 5 games aka coming out slowly party

25 mpg 9.2 PPG 3.4 apg 3.0 rpg 1.6 spg on 36 50 80 shooting. If I broke it down to last 3 his numbers would be stellar.

[thebuzzardman]

So, what would it take for the Knicks to get Julius Randle from the Lakers, and would we want to, based on his ability but also that the Knicks would have to resign him.

KOQ and Chicago's 2nd?

WHG and Chicago's 2nd?

Knicks have a center glut, Lakers have a PG glut. I mean, it's not like the Lakers are dying for a C, but how long before Broke Lopez goes down with an injury, plus I know they have a young C to develop, but either of those guys would give them someone who would have some use for a few years.

I guess they could do better than that.

I'll have to rewatch the game - how is Randle on defense?

I just know that after a SF with athleticism and legit offensive skill, the Knicks next need is a young PF with some bounce who can defend and isn't a stiff on offense. I know Randle's shot isn't that great, but he'd be good next to KP where KP slides to C and Randle at PF. Unless his defense is bad. I've never thought it was, but looking for some input from guys who watch more Lakers games than me.

Randle would fit, but don’t think he is one of our bigger needs and I would not want to pay him a big contract. It would almost compound our problem having too many bigs. We really need a good wing player and more young guards/wings. If we lock up Randle long term with a big contract, it would just leave less money to add quality wings/guards

In a vacuum where the Knicks didn't have to worry about his $ impacting the future, I guess he'd be good - if they dealt a big to get him. I don't see him as adding to a "big man glut" because the Knicks issues isn't too many bigs, but specifically too many bigs that are Centers and Centers only - Kanter, WHG, KOQ and Noah. None of those guys can play PF, at ALL. Now, that's fine, because KP can, but what the Knicks need is a PF off the bench who truly is a PF, who can play some defense, has some real height, and isn't garbage on offense. Look what the Knicks have to do if KP is out with injury, or who comes off the bench for him - LFT.

Backup PF is clearly a need.

The Knick obvious need is a SF. A playmaking SF is the obvious first choice, but picking 8-10, that chances of a playmaking SF being available are pretty slim. So, from there I move onto a SF who can defend, with wingspan, who can reliable hit outside shots.
I assume this is the target in the draft, so that's why I considered Randle as a potential backup PF target, but then Randle , with his contract coming up has to be viewed as a "last piece" because the Knicks would cap out and be over to resign him if they traded for him, and even if the Knicks land a quality SF in the draft, they still aren't that player and Randle away from being a complete team.

[F N 11]

Get Frank a floater it will be unstoppable until he's able to bully his way to the rim.

[thebuzzardman]

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I'd like both, in a rotation, instead of having to see KOQ and WHG and Noah out there

[thebuzzardman]

Frank last 5 games aka coming out slowly party

25 mpg 9.2 PPG 3.4 apg 3.0 rpg 1.6 spg on 36 50 80 shooting. If I broke it down to last 4 his numbers would be stellar.

Please do!

[mpharris36]

Get Frank a floater it will be unstoppable until he's able to bully his way to the rim.

#1 thing he should be working on this summer...I would kidnap his countryman tony parker and get the parker floater and Frank will be insane!

[IAmTheBest]

So, what would it take for the Knicks to get Julius Randle from the Lakers, and would we want to, based on his ability but also that the Knicks would have to resign him.

KOQ and Chicago's 2nd?

WHG and Chicago's 2nd?

Knicks have a center glut, Lakers have a PG glut. I mean, it's not like the Lakers are dying for a C, but how long before Broke Lopez goes down with an injury, plus I know they have a young C to develop, but either of those guys would give them someone who would have some use for a few years.

I guess they could do better than that.

I'll have to rewatch the game - how is Randle on defense?

I just know that after a SF with athleticism and legit offensive skill, the Knicks next need is a young PF with some bounce who can defend and isn't a stiff on offense. I know Randle's shot isn't that great, but he'd be good next to KP where KP slides to C and Randle at PF. Unless his defense is bad. I've never thought it was, but looking for some input from guys who watch more Lakers games than me.

Randle would be an excellent fit with porzingis. his defense is rock solid and he can switch onto any position and hold his own, defensively

I dont think the lakers would move him for hernangomez/koq + a 2nd round pick though. They will use him like dangelo russell most likely - to set up a situation where they can take on superstar players

we'd also have to pay him big bux after a year

Randle's best position is Center and not a need of ours. Why make a lateral trade with Willy or O'Quinn and a pick. I thought we were passed given up picks for non-starters?

Randle is very talented and a perfect fit with Porzingis. He is easily starter level material. The only reason he doesnt start is because Walton is incompetent when it comes to rotations. His best players - Randle, Clarkson, and Kuzma all come off the bench lol. In fact Randle is often out there closing games because of his defense.

I wouldnt trade Hernangomez + a pick for him, but I would easily pull the trigger on oquinn + a pick.

I watch a lot of Lakers games and acquiring randle is not a lateral move. His defensive versatility is reminiscent of Draymond Green (of course he's not on that level at the moment...but he just turned 23).

This defensive capability means we can play a lot more of small ball without sacrificing defense, which is perfect for KP.

He is also capable offensively - able to run the floor and attack the basket. Gives our team much needed athleticism.

Great motor and work ethic as well. First game in his pro career he broke is tibia paul george style and came back and prospered. That shows great willpower in the face of adversity. Not only that, he went from being a doughboy reminiscent of zac randolph to being shredded.

Randle is a great player imo and when he hits the market as a free agent he's going to get max contracts thrown at him. He's almost everything you want in a modern 4/5 player and it's hard to come across those.

[thebuzzardman]

Get Frank a floater it will be unstoppable until he's able to bully his way to the rim.

#1 thing he should be working on this summer...I would kidnap his countryman tony parker and get the parker floater and Frank will be insane!

I figure these two things would elevate his game big time, without even improving anything else:

A floater
Using his hesitation dribble to get into the lane for the bunny jumper

Just those two things alone, along with what should be reliable set 3 point shooting or 3 point shooting off the P&R, and with his defense that's a damn good PG.

If he were to do all that and get stronger and clean up his layups, that's an all star

[F N 11]

I always shot the ball better when the lines on the side where on my fingertips.

[IllmaticHandler]

I have watched every Laker game, and Randle is a bonehead player. He plays very Wild. If he was a starter he would rack up fouls at a high rate. he Avgs 4 fouls a game in ONLY 22 mins. He plays hard, but plays wild and sloppy.