PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16

[Amsterdam]

there actually pretty similar. Jack is a more creative passer, both are atrocious defenders. But at least calderon took 3's...jack takes that horrendous mid range shot.

Jack's been fine, but the gigs up. He needs to go to the bench and start to relinquish minutes to baker even but I don't mind if he plays 15 mins as a backup point to slow the game down and get us into our spots. But Baker and Frank's defense is game changing. Baker got up into clarkson a few times and cooled him off after a hot start.

you talking about today? because in calderon's prime he passed his ASS off. and with flair. and when jack was younger defense was never what he was known for, but atrocious seems a little harsh. calderon was always pretty horrible on defense.

im talking about calderon's knicks career. Calderon at that point was just passing around the perimeter. He never broke down the defense. Jack is a little more creative but like I said they both suck on defense. And jack takes a ton of mid range shots which frustrates me.

What, not true.
Jack actiually barely shoots, he shoots less than Beasley and McDermott and almost on equal to Ntilikina, although he's a starter.

[CharlesOakley]

I'm also surprised at the level of venom being displayed towards Lavar and the Balls. What the heck have they done to you?

I have no problem with the kids. They actually seem like good kids minus the recent China trip. My problem is with a father clearly exploiting his kids for his own fame/profit/ego. He is hurting his own kids' careers. I hold him in the same esteem I hold Macaulay Culkin's and Michael Jackson's parents.

[mpharris36]

you talking about today? because in calderon's prime he passed his ASS off. and with flair. and when jack was younger defense was never what he was known for, but atrocious seems a little harsh. calderon was always pretty horrible on defense.

im talking about calderon's knicks career. Calderon at that point was just passing around the perimeter. He never broke down the defense. Jack is a little more creative but like I said they both suck on defense. And jack takes a ton of mid range shots which frustrates me.

What, not true.
Jack actiually barely shoots, he shoots less than Beasley and McDermott and almost on equal to Ntilikina, although he's a starter.

im saying the only time he shoots are long-mid range jump shots. That is his shot of choice. He comes off a screen and takes a long jump shot because he can't do anything else.

[Synciere]

I'm also surprised at the level of venom being displayed towards Lavar and the Balls. What the heck have they done to you?

I have no problem with the kids. They actually seem like good kids minus the recent China trip. My problem is with a father clearly exploiting his kids for his own fame/profit/ego. He is hurting his own kids' careers. I hold him in the same esteem I hold Macaulay Culkin's and Michael Jackson's parents.

We don't know that he's hurting his kid's futures. Lonzo just made it to the league as a #2 overall pick lol... Not sure you can blame him or his antics for his son stealing stuff in China. Joe Jackson parents abused his kids lol.. This is a stretch. Ball is just obnoxious at times, and a loudmouth. He's also proven to be an excellent father.

Anywho, on Knicks stuff, the way Frank looked early in the season I'm still a little apprehensive, but I'm hoping to see a game where he really explodes offensively.

[3toheadmelo]

I read the article. Excellent read, but unless you're moving KP to center I still don't trade Kanter, who is a center, for Randle who is a PF.

well yeah. i want to move KP to the 5. i don't think he will have any problems there.

I think moving KP to center is a recipe for disaster. I get the move in terms of style of play, but KP is not ready to bang with most centers yet. I think he's still 2-3 years from being able to do that.

i feel like every time we say something like that about KP, he does the opposite. im done doubting him tbh lol

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I'm also surprised at the level of venom being displayed towards Lavar and the Balls. What the heck have they done to you?

I have no problem with the kids. They actually seem like good kids minus the recent China trip. My problem is with a father clearly exploiting his kids for his own fame/profit/ego. He is hurting his own kids' careers. I hold him in the same esteem I hold Macaulay Culkin's and Michael Jackson's parents.

We don't know that he's hurting his kid's futures. Lonzo just made it to the league as a #2 overall pick lol... Not sure you can blame him or his antics for his son stealing stuff in China. Joe Jackson parents abused his kids lol.. This is a stretch. Ball is just obnoxious at times, and a loudmouth. He's also proven to be an excellent father.

Anywho, on Knicks stuff, the way Frank looked early in the season I'm still a little apprehensive, but I'm hoping to see a game where he really explodes offensively.

America is very uncomfortable with the image of the overbearing Black sports dad. I like the guy. He’s actually harmless and his kids love and appreciate him. He’s a loudmouth. Doesn’t make him a bad father or person.
And judging from the results he’s actually a pretty good father.

[3toheadmelo]

even Mitch lookin at lonzo sideways

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[thebuzzardman]

I have no problem with the kids. They actually seem like good kids minus the recent China trip. My problem is with a father clearly exploiting his kids for his own fame/profit/ego. He is hurting his own kids' careers. I hold him in the same esteem I hold Macaulay Culkin's and Michael Jackson's parents.

We don't know that he's hurting his kid's futures. Lonzo just made it to the league as a #2 overall pick lol... Not sure you can blame him or his antics for his son stealing stuff in China. Joe Jackson parents abused his kids lol.. This is a stretch. Ball is just obnoxious at times, and a loudmouth. He's also proven to be an excellent father.

Anywho, on Knicks stuff, the way Frank looked early in the season I'm still a little apprehensive, but I'm hoping to see a game where he really explodes offensively.

America is very uncomfortable with the image of the overbearing Black sports dad. I like the guy. He’s actually harmless and his kids love and appreciate him. He’s a loudmouth. Doesn’t make him a bad father or person.
And judging from the results he’s actually a pretty good father.

Probably some people. I think for most people they are sort of uncomfortable with loudmouth aholes in general.

[Synciere]

We don't know that he's hurting his kid's futures. Lonzo just made it to the league as a #2 overall pick lol... Not sure you can blame him or his antics for his son stealing stuff in China. Joe Jackson parents abused his kids lol.. This is a stretch. Ball is just obnoxious at times, and a loudmouth. He's also proven to be an excellent father.

Anywho, on Knicks stuff, the way Frank looked early in the season I'm still a little apprehensive, but I'm hoping to see a game where he really explodes offensively.

America is very uncomfortable with the image of the overbearing Black sports dad. I like the guy. He’s actually harmless and his kids love and appreciate him. He’s a loudmouth. Doesn’t make him a bad father or person.
And judging from the results he’s actually a pretty good father.

Probably some people. I think for most people they are sort of uncomfortable with loudmouth aholes in general.

No Blackfeet is right; the rhetoric and vernacular changes when it's a black father. That said, a person can say they just don't like the guy without making up reasons why.

[thebuzzardman]

America is very uncomfortable with the image of the overbearing Black sports dad. I like the guy. He’s actually harmless and his kids love and appreciate him. He’s a loudmouth. Doesn’t make him a bad father or person.
And judging from the results he’s actually a pretty good father.

Probably some people. I think for most people they are sort of uncomfortable with loudmouth aholes in general.

No Blackfeet is right; the rhetoric and vernacular changes when it's a black father. That said, a person can say they just don't like the guy without making up reasons why.

I don't doubt that. I haven't been paying too much attention to stuff around the Ball family if I can help it. To me, he just registers as "Loudmouth assh*le sports dad", like Ryan Leaf or Todd Marinovich's dads back in the day. Clearly seems to be a better father, considering those guys basically drove their son's nuts. But America loves loud, crass, sort of ignorant self promoters, so I'm sure Lavar Ball has his fans. I mean, look, half the USA voted for a candidate who checked those boxes.

[IllmaticHandler]

well yeah. i want to move KP to the 5. i don't think he will have any problems there.

I think moving KP to center is a recipe for disaster. I get the move in terms of style of play, but KP is not ready to bang with most centers yet. I think he's still 2-3 years from being able to do that.

I feel like every diss towards DSJ was correct. It took me a long time, but how i feel about him now is the opposite from before. All I do is doubt him tbh lol

Fixed.

[3toheadmelo]

I think moving KP to center is a recipe for disaster. I get the move in terms of style of play, but KP is not ready to bang with most centers yet. I think he's still 2-3 years from being able to do that.

I feel like every diss towards Bustigram was correct. It took me a long time, but how i feel about him now is the opposite from before. All I do is doubt him tbh lol

Fixed.

fixed

[F N 11]

Yall watching full replays? They got full highlights on youtube.

[Amsterdam]

im talking about calderon's knicks career. Calderon at that point was just passing around the perimeter. He never broke down the defense. Jack is a little more creative but like I said they both suck on defense. And jack takes a ton of mid range shots which frustrates me.

What, not true.
Jack actiually barely shoots, he shoots less than Beasley and McDermott and almost on equal to Ntilikina, although he's a starter.

im saying the only time he shoots are long-mid range jump shots. That is his shot of choice. He comes off a screen and takes a long jump shot because he can't do anything else.

That's true. He's had a mid-range game all his career. But why would that frustrate you?

[mpharris36]

What, not true.
Jack actiually barely shoots, he shoots less than Beasley and McDermott and almost on equal to Ntilikina, although he's a starter.

im saying the only time he shoots are long-mid range jump shots. That is his shot of choice. He comes off a screen and takes a long jump shot because he can't do anything else.

That's true. He's had a mid-range game all his career. But why would that frustrate you?

because its the worst shot in basketball? He turns down so many 3's and he rarely gets to the rim the two best shots in the game.

[Amsterdam]

im saying the only time he shoots are long-mid range jump shots. That is his shot of choice. He comes off a screen and takes a long jump shot because he can't do anything else.

That's true. He's had a mid-range game all his career. But why would that frustrate you?

because its the worst shot in basketball? He turns down so many 3's and he rarely gets to the rim the two best shots in the game.

His long game is not good and he has no lift anymore on drives. He's that steady influence on Ntilikina, that's all. But I here you though.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Jack is a great fit. Good enough to burn some minutes and help run the offense, experienced and smart enough to mentor, but not good enough to block Frank for long.

If we had a vet PG that was better, Frank may never get crunch time minutes so in that way his flaws are good.

[newyorker4ever]

I never thought that I would say this, but we really, really miss Hardaway.

With Hardaway on the court, Knicks have two guys capable of going off offensively, and carrying the team. Without him, KP is getting too much attention from the defense, and we have too much trouble scoring.

I don't think we should worry about saying we miss Timmy anymore since he has proven to Knicks fans that he really has changed his game for the better. Timmy is a legit SG now.

[CharlesOakley]

I have no problem with the kids. They actually seem like good kids minus the recent China trip. My problem is with a father clearly exploiting his kids for his own fame/profit/ego. He is hurting his own kids' careers. I hold him in the same esteem I hold Macaulay Culkin's and Michael Jackson's parents.

We don't know that he's hurting his kid's futures. Lonzo just made it to the league as a #2 overall pick lol... Not sure you can blame him or his antics for his son stealing stuff in China. Joe Jackson parents abused his kids lol.. This is a stretch. Ball is just obnoxious at times, and a loudmouth. He's also proven to be an excellent father.

Anywho, on Knicks stuff, the way Frank looked early in the season I'm still a little apprehensive, but I'm hoping to see a game where he really explodes offensively.

America is very uncomfortable with the image of the overbearing Black sports dad. I like the guy. He’s actually harmless and his kids love and appreciate him. He’s a loudmouth. Doesn’t make him a bad father or person.
And judging from the results he’s actually a pretty good father.

I'm guessing you aren't a parent.

The guy comes across as a loud-mouthed, arrogant dummy. I'm sure his being black doesn't help but he is a jerk on his own. As for hurting his own kids, I guess we will see but I feel confident that Lonzo would be having a lot more fun if he didn't have daddy calling him "the greatest Laker ever" or that "he would beat MJ one-on-one in his prime" when he arguably isn't the best rookie on his own team. The Lakers have asked LaVar to shut up to take some of the pressure off his son which he has not done.

He is also financially hurting his son. Lonzo's shoe deal (based on estimated sales) is worth around 1/2 mil this season. Any of the major shoe companies would have paid him $15 million for a multi-year deal. There has been some chatter that Lonzo might not stick with the Lakers long-term if his dad can't shut his mouth which would also hurt his wallet.

I'd like to see evidence that he is an excellent father. He clearly is an involved parent. I will give him credit for that. But it seems like he is the only one allowed to talk at the dinner table.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I’d take Randle on this team in a heartbeat.