PG: Can't stop, won't stop

[Polynice4Pippen]

We're at 7 wins with Niko only playing 4 games, Bobby missing the first 8 games, and LaVine hasn't played a single game yet. Dunn and Lauri are improving every game, it's clear this isn't the same team or even roster it was a month ago. No need to debate though, we'll see come April.

C'mon man, what do you mean there is no need to debate?! That defeats the entire purpose of being on these boards.

I think we'll have a clearer direction of where this team is headed by the trade deadline. I'd be absolutely shocked if we don't make multiple trades.

Lol, good point. I expect trades to be made soon, but even with that happening I expect a lineup of Dunn, LaVine and Markkennen to be hungrier than other bad teams who'll begin their tanking after the all star break.

[Proven_Winner]

Hopefully niko plays himself into a nice trade scenario. Not getting tricked for the 4th time with niko.

[Rerisen]

Not sure about 'people' but I made the exact same complaint then.

Its not about total value, we need a dollar bill to launch a rebuild, not 3 quarters.

We could still have a dollar bill with the 3 quarters. It's at least good though that Dunn and Markkanen are flashing as much as they have this season.

It's good for them specifically, but not good for our odds to get the superstar we need. Neither are playing to *that* level.

We'll we are trying to project the season right now and that's not easy, but this team looks better to a worrying degree to me.

[johnnyvann840]

Keep Niko. He is a different player. I can see it. Just like when Jimmy busted out. He's just got a look about him that's different. A mojo workin.

There is no such thing as an all young great team. You need veterans and Niko is the perfect age for this group, not too old. Niko has a game that will age gracefully too. He's the one you keep. He's a two way player and he would also be good help when we bring in European players. Having a Euro vet is big.

[kodo]

What if they beat the Bucks in Milwaukee next game for 5 straight? What then?

[Red Larrivee]

It's inherently flawed to trade for 3 roster players and then also announce at the press conference that your plan is to build through the draft.

How is it flawed? Dunn was the 5th pick overall the year before. Markkanen was the 7th pick this year. They acquired three players still on their rookie deals. "Building through the draft" is just code for "Our team is inexperienced as hell and we expect to have a top pick because of it."

[Stratmaster]

Like Niko, right?

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Is Mirotic coming back from major knee surgery?

I thought you were talking about rust Red. Rust is from not playing. Niko hasn't even scrimmaged since last season. Lavine a bit longer... but still...

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[Shill]

Came to say this. Legit the worst front office in the league. When they want to win, they put a tragic team together. When they want to lose, they put a stacked team together. Its crazy

You can't possibly blame the front office for young players playing hard and wanting to win games.

You can blame them for doing a rebuild backwards. You don't start by acquiring 3 players that are going to help you win, but aren't likely to be your franchise guy.

So they should’ve gotten *less* value for Jimmy?

I know you were against the deal, but if they were going to deal him, I think the return was good.

[Stratmaster]

nah. Can't be. They have to suck. Just did a poll here, you'll see

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Homer.

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[Stratmaster]

Trade Niko Lopez and Bobby NOW

Sorry but this winning is pointless IMO should of just let Jazz comeback at end

Do you not understand how HORRIBLE that is for the league and the sport? If you have 10 teams tanking it means that 1/3rd of the leagues games become unwatchable fodder.

agreed

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[Rerisen]

Oh please. Right after the trade every one was saying the Bulls got trash back. Now you are saying Dunn and Markkanen are too good for the tank?

This board will be fun if LaVine comes back lighting it up.

Again, I said the same thing at the time. That the ideal trade for Jimmy would have been one of Boston's top picks, or any deal centered around the best consolidated asset you could get. Not three swings for singles and doubles.

The Bulls don't need or want to be good right now if they are smart.

[WindyCityBorn]

What if they beat the Bucks in Milwaukee next game for 5 straight? What then?

Nothing will happen. Business as usual. I would not expect a trade in 2017 if that is what you are asking.

[Indomitable]

If Niko has figured it out, things get tough.
It’s easy to say trade him, but if this Niko is reality he’s worth more than what teams have seemed to give for him.


This seems to be the Niko you get when he’s given more responsibility dating back to his rookie season.

It’s a damn shame the Bulls didn’t roll with Jimmy, Niko, and guys like McDermott/Valentine last season.....

Niko didn't play well alongside Jimmy. None of those guys did. Mirotic in particular plays well inside of a fluid fast paced offense. During his tenure as The Guy, Butler didn't raise up those around him.

Butler was good for dribbling down the clock and pass it to you to protect his shooting numbers.

[Red Larrivee]

It's good for them specifically, but not good for our odds to get the superstar we need. Neither are playing to *that* level.

We'll we are trying to project the season right now and that's not easy, but this team looks better to a worrying degree to me.

I don't know what the alternative is. Young players are competing, playing well and getting confidence. I was wrong that Mirotic shouldn't play. He's actually proving to be an asset on his contract, which could make him tradeable if he waives his veto.

Whatever happens...happens.

[WindyCityBorn]

What if they keep getting better? What if Dunn actually redeems his value as the #5 pick?... What if Lauri shows he was even better than the #7th pick in his draft? What if Lavine looks like a high lotto pick and the real deal when he comes back? What if this is the real Niko and plays like a high lottery pick from here on out? What if Nwaba just keeps doing what he's doing?

What if the Bulls win more than expected, get to around 26 wins with 20 games left and finished the season on like a 15-5 run with a .500 record and squeaked into the playoffs. Then won in the 1st round. How would you feel about that team with say the 13th pick in next years draft? Vs. one of worst teams in league and the 5th pick?

You need stars to win in the NBA. Dunn looks good, but the odds of him being a star are low. Ditto with Markkanen and I'm lower on Lavine than most. Good player but not a star. You need a star to put around these pieces.

Like a guy who can out up 25 a game or something?

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People still sleeping on Lavine.

[Jvaughn]

Obviously there was some hyperbole there, but you're talking about w team they put together 7 years ago as the reason they're not tragic. I will give them their credit for putting g that 2010 team together. But since then they haven't been able to surround our "stars" with supporting talent.

They have two jobs this year. Fill the roster with young talent and cash in on any assets that aren't part of our future. Outside of Dunn, Markenen, Lavine and maybe Nwaba, everyone should go. RoLo and Niko need to go. They're on great contracts and can help competing teams.

We can't do the same crap our FO is famous for, and hold onto them hoping for a huge haul, then end up losing them for nothing or trading them out of desperation for crap (ie Cam Payne). If someone offers you a 1st for either of them, take it and run. The worst thing that can happen to this team is to win 20-30 games and end up with a mid to late lottery pick.

I don’t disagree with those two jobs they have to do...

But that’s based on what fans like you, I, and most here think. Their jobs are based on what their plan is and what ownership wants. As fans, we may as well enjoy the show. Sure rooting for losses can be fun, dreaming of the young phenom we’ll get with the top pick...but getting stressed, disappointed, angry over wins is pointless. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring....I’ll enjoy the win.

If their plan is anything other than getting a top pick, then that just leads back to my original point: they have to go. They can't contend, so if we're not tanking, then their goal is basketball hell. Sitting outside the playoffs drafting talent that isn't good enough to change their position.

[the ultimates]

You can blame them for doing a rebuild backwards. You don't start by acquiring 3 players that are going to help you win, but aren't likely to be your franchise guy.

So, during the summer people were blaming the front office for not getting enough value for Butler.

Now, the front office is to blame for getting too much value for Butler.

It's inherently flawed to trade for 3 roster players and then also announce at the press conference that your plan is to build through the draft.

Stop that people were saying Dunn was toast because of his age and rookie year struggles. Lavine had the ACL, wasn't a playmaker for others and was a net negative according to advanced stats. People certainly weren't in love with the Lauri pick. Now it's they got three roster players. Three roster players that many on the board said were bad in some form or other.

[Polynice4Pippen]

About 3 years too late.

Maybe the players actually are doing what he says. Unlike wave off jimmy.

I was thinking it. You had the balls to say it lol

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Being able to get your top players to buy in is what separates the boys from the men when it comes to NBA coaches. Jimmy wasn't easy to deal with, but Hoiberg failed in that department.

[Stratmaster]

We're at 7 wins with Niko only playing 4 games, Bobby missing the first 8 games, and LaVine hasn't played a single game yet. Dunn and Lauri are improving every game, it's clear this isn't the same team or even roster it was a month ago. No need to debate though, we'll see come April.

C'mon man, what do you mean there is no need to debate?! That defeats the entire purpose of being on these boards.

I think we'll have a clearer direction of where this team is headed by the trade deadline. I'd be absolutely shocked if we don't make multiple trades.

As long as they make us better I'm down with that.

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[Shill]

Again, I said the same thing at the time. That the ideal trade for Jimmy would have been one of Boston's top picks, or any deal centered around the best consolidated asset you could get.

And we now know that wasn’t on the table.

Ainge said Minnesota gave up too much.