PG: Can't stop, won't stop

[Ralphb07]

Ayup. Anyone that wanted to blow it up, who is now happy we've won 4 straight.... just mind-boggling.

Maybe some people thought they actually came out better long term with the players they got for Jimmy. It's mind boggling that people are mad the young guys are winning. I'd rather this than getting Cam Payne players for Jimmy

Ralph look at titles teams that have won without a superstar. Not many.

These wins are hurting our chances to get the only thing that really matters.

That was a major narrative for trading Butler in the first place! He was only 'top 12' or top 15 whatever. Now are we going to try and start winning (say next year) without even a player as good as Jimmy? Aren't likely to get one of those if you don't get in the top 2 picks.

But who's to say that these guys in the draft aren't Okafor or Russell? Heck look at Fultz and Ball this year. Kris Dunn was the 5th pick in the draft and Lauri was the 7th. It's not like they are winnning with low upside guys.

Who's to say that these young guys in Lauri, Zach or Dunn can be as good or close? What if all three or a notch below Jimmy but are borderline all star guys. The Problem wasnt Jimmy was only a top 12 or 15. It was they couldn't find other players good enough around him.

So if the 5th and 7th pick in back to back drafts who are 23 or younger are helping up win I don't see how that's a negative. But again I am one of few who thought the Bulls won the trade on draft night .

[WindyCityBorn]

It's flawed because if you're building through the draft, you want lotto balls. Yet your young players playing well will subtract lotto balls. Rebuilding should be about raising the ceiling. In the situation that GarPax has designed, the success of one plank of the rebuild directly harms the other plank. This lowers the ceiling of this rebuild.

Paxson expected the Bulls to get lottery balls and they are still probable to. Trading for future picks would've only made the rebuild even more skeptical. Picks guarantee losing but they don't guarantee a brighter future.

There are no guarantees to a rebuild. You're trying to give yourself as much slack as possible. Draft picks allow you to be flexible and adaptable because it's kind of like having liquid currency.

When you trade for roster players, the clock immediately starts ticking because of their contract. And as I said their success takes away lotto balls.

Hinkie identified the optimal approach to asset management for a rebuilding NBA team trying to actually become a contender. His rebuild looks nothing like what we'll get. This doesn't bode well.

What have the 76ers won?

[MC3]

Not so sure about that. I think it was intentional.

Wait, so Embiid and Simmons were faking surgeries?

No but Hinkie made Embiid pick specifically cause he knew he would miss a year. That's why Bucks and Cavs passed on him. There was risk he would never pan out. Bigs dont return from foot injury and look like superstars. It was huge risk. But that's why Hinkie took him. He knew he would miss a year and 76ers could tank. Same reason he took Saric. He knew he wouldnt come in NBA immediatly and 76ers could tank. Majority of his lottery prospects didnt play a single game of basketball till 3rd or 4th year of tanking.

Tanking every year only for his picks not to play.

[Rerisen]

I think the ultimate goal is to get a top 3 pick at the very least correct? Do you think with the recent play we are somehow in danger of getting out of that range? Because I'm certainly not.

We are absolutely in danger. We have 7 wins and 5 other teams have 9 or less.

Niko is a good player, has always been a good player that helps you win. Now looks better than ever.

Portis has a 20 PER and has been super efficient.

These guys were not playing to start the year. LaVine will return soon, and if anything close to his norm after a couple weeks, will be a big upgrade over guys getting minutes now.

Nwaba was hurt for most of the season prior to the winning streak, he is clearly a winning player. Has above average PER, efficient, and plays good defense. That is a plus player.

Dunn is slowly but steadily looking better all the time.

If Bulls were to stand pat, we could easily be better than 5-8 other teams.

[Chi town]

I swear to God if we are winning Lauri and Lavine. One of them better become superstars. Cause goal was to get high pick and get one. And now that's out the window.

Donavan Mitchell as the best player on the floor tonight by far... 13th pick.

[Stratmaster]

Niko didn't play well alongside Jimmy. None of those guys did. Mirotic in particular plays well inside of a fluid fast paced offense. During his tenure as The Guy, Butler didn't raise up those around him.

Butler was good for dribbling down the clock and pass it to you to protect his shooting numbers.

You cannot blame this on Jimmy. These players obviously put in work over the summer. Actually, maybe we have Jimmy to thank for that. He showed that dedicated nonstop selfimprovement can produce results

SMH.

Yeah thanks Jimmy. Thanks for teaching 2 layers you never played with and the guy you froze out what it takes!

[johnnyvann840]

Keep Niko. He is a different player. I can see it. Just like when Jimmy busted out. He's just got a look about him that's different. A mojo workin.

There is no such thing as an all young great team. You need veterans and Niko is the perfect age for this group, not too old. Niko has a game that will age gracefully too. He's the one you keep. He's a two way player and he would also be good help when we bring in European players. Having a Euro vet is big.

Agreed. I think him and Lauri can play together too.

That is my whole premise. You start those two together.. they are both agile and can switch onto smaller players. Their rim protection is underrated. You have a 3rd big who is more of a true 5 who is not going to get shoved around by the M. Gasol's, Boguts and Howards and the few true C's left. I mean playing a 7 footer and a 6'10 guy at the 4/5 is not even really going small.

[Ralphb07]

I hate to see this board once Zach returns. He may be too good for us lol

[TheSuzerain]

There are no guarantees to a rebuild. You're trying to give yourself as much slack as possible. Draft picks allow you to be flexible and adaptable because it's kind of like having liquid currency.

When you trade for roster players, the clock immediately starts ticking because of their contract. And as I said their success takes away lotto balls.

Hinkie identified the optimal approach to asset management for a rebuilding NBA team trying to actually become a contender. His rebuild looks nothing like what we'll get. This doesn't bode well.

The clock starts on any rookie you draft, especially one who might take the Derrick Rose path and quickly become a superstar. Imagine if Rose in Year 3 was playing with players younger than him, because of a roster that was demolished Hinkie-style. It would've been a waste of his peak season as a star and you would've got nothing out of it long-term. And if Rose was healthy enough to have extended success, he may have decided to leave before it all came together.

What Hinkie did is an exaggeration of tanking that isn't necessary. It's why the league stepped in and we have him to blame for the new draft lottery odds. The Bulls gave themselves as much slack as possible. They traded their best player, who was clearly the difference between a borderline playoff team and one of the worst teams in the league. They built a roster of inexperienced players, who started the year 3-20.

In the 2008 draft, the 2 teams with the best lottery odds were just about demolished. Those teams were the Miami Heat and the Seattle Supersonics. I imagine Rose would have had even more success on those teams than he would have on the Bulls.

[nomorezorro]

Niko is a good player, has always been a good player that helps you win. Now looks better than ever.

Portis has a 20 PER and has been super efficient.

These guys were not playing to start the year. LaVine will return soon, and if anything close to his norm after a couple weeks, will be a big upgrade over guys getting minutes now.

Nwaba was hurt for most of the season prior to the winning streak, he is clearly a winning player. Has above average PER, efficient, and plays good defense. That is a plus player.

Dunn is slowly but steadily looking better all the time.

sans context, this is the most insane "the sky is falling" argument ever

[Rerisen]

Because right now it seems that there is a whole lot of panic that we are going to end up with the 10th pick or worse suddenly.

The odds of getting a superstar fall off massively after #2 if not even #1.

People can cite outliers where you get one at 5 or 7 or whatever, but they are terrible odds.

[Ralphb07]

Keep Niko. He is a different player. I can see it. Just like when Jimmy busted out. He's just got a look about him that's different. A mojo workin.

There is no such thing as an all young great team. You need veterans and Niko is the perfect age for this group, not too old. Niko has a game that will age gracefully too. He's the one you keep. He's a two way player and he would also be good help when we bring in European players. Having a Euro vet is big.

Agreed. I think him and Lauri can play together too.

That is my whole premise. You start those two together.. they are both agile and can switch onto smaller players. Their rim protection is underrated. You have a 3rd big who is more of a true 5 who is not going to get shoved around by the M. Gasol's, Boguts and Howards and the few true C's left. I mean playing a 7 footer and a 6'10 guy at the 4/5 is not even really going small.

I do know the Bulls liked Lauri and Niko at the 4/5 in Fred's system. If I'm the Bulls I move RoLo and see if Niko is for real or is it a fluke. Because if it for real Lauri and Niko can cause so many problems.

[bulls4ever]

who is next to lose?

[nomorezorro]

i do think it's hilarious that people are genuinely falling into the trap of going "yeah!! let's keep everyone on our team who's playing pretty good at this precise moment in time!!"

everyone's always into the idea of selling high until they stumble across someone you can actually sell high on

[Payt10]

We just need Cam Payne to hurry up and get back in the rotation.

[TheSuzerain]

Not so sure about that. I think it was intentional.

Wait, so Embiid and Simmons were faking surgeries?

No but Hinkie made Embiid pick specifically cause he knew he would miss a year. That's why Bucks and Cavs passed on him. There was risk he would never pan out. Bigs dont return from foot injury and look like superstars. It was huge risk. But that's why Hinkie took him. He knew he would miss a year and 76ers could tank. Same reason he took Saric. He knew he wouldnt come in NBA immediatly and 76ers could tank. Majority of his lottery prospects didnt play a single game of basketball till 3rd or 4th year of tanking.

Tanking every year only for his picks not to play.

Which is genius.

Rebuilding isn't supposed to be a gradual process where you tack on 1 new draft pick a year. To the extent possible, you want to stack your assets/picks so that they can all hit at once.

[TheHrvReport]

We need to trade Lopez in the next 2 weeks and Niko shortly after the January date. If Zach returns as planned and these guys are all still around come mid-January, we can kiss any chance of becoming relevant in the next 3-5 years goodbye. Dramatic? Maybe. But this is a can't miss draft and if GarPax let this happen, it'll be the worst decision they've made as GMs and that's saying a lot

[MC3]

I hate to see this board once Zach returns. He may be too good for us lol

I really hope he looks amazing. Cause It's hard for me to root for this team playing 0.500 basketball .

[Ralphb07]

Man I wish Dunn the 5th pick in last years draft wasn't looking good each game and like the hype coming out. We need him to suck

[Rerisen]

sans context, this is the most insane "the sky is falling" argument ever

Its about as far from insane as is possible if you understand the reality of what superstars mean to serious competing.

And following from that, the massively cascading down odds to get a superstar below pick #1 then #2, etc.