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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#41 » by Im Coming Home » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:41 pm

Garbagelo wrote:It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.

The other side is dangerous, that is the issue.

ISPs could literally prevent "new" sites from growing/being popular simply by throttling it/making their own sites get priority. They can also kill websites that are not under "their" control such as Netflix, or even news sites they consider against their ideals.

Yes their can be some good that COULD come out of this, problem is by taking away the safety net, it is highly more likely that ISPs will abuse this new power as opposed to using it in positive ways.

I don't want to pay to use certain websites or anything of that nature.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#42 » by j4remi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:41 pm

https://www.theringer.com/tech/2017/12/14/16775296/net-neutrality-fcc-municipal-networks-fiber

This is an alternative worth looking into making a push for imo. There are multiple frameworks to compare and look at efficacy on and it'd increase competition.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#43 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:49 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
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Im Coming Home wrote:It's not over, FCC repealing was expected.
It now goes to the courts, where there will be a better, more balanced discussion on the conversation.
It's not over.

Court proceedings will likely have a TRO (stay) issued on enactment of the regulation until the issue is litigated in court, and that may take years on its own (hopefully enough that Trump is gone and NN can be made permanent).

New York's Attorney General filed a lawsuit as soon as it was passed.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/tech/washington-to-sue-after-fcc-votes-to-repeal-net-neutrality/499471526

There's still a bill in Congress. https://www.wired.com/story/after-fcc-vote-net-neutrality-fight-moves-to-courts-congress/amp


Its over. This is just the fluff to make it look like it wont stand. In the end it will stand. I bet anything on that.


From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.



People can fight, but if people really think this happening because Ajit Pai is acting on his own they need to wake up. He is just the face of it to take the blame. There is 100% people with they own private interests that are very powerful as well that want this to happen for various reasons that will benefit them that he is acting for. Ajit Pai is the patsy for this. If people are not taking note, Americans are not really gaining rights. THEY ARE LOSING them at a rate faster than any generation before.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#44 » by King of Canada » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:51 pm

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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#45 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:52 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Its over. This is just the fluff to make it look like it wont stand. In the end it will stand. I bet anything on that.


From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.



People can fight, but if people really think this happening because Ajit Pai is acting on his own they need to wake up. He is just the face of it to take the blame. There is 100% people with they own private interests that are very powerful as well that want this to happen for various reasons that will benefit them. Ajit Pai is the patsy for this. If people are not taking note, Americans are not really gaining rights. THEY ARE LOSING them at a rate faster than any generation before.


I think the republicans are the idiots, not only Pai. The backlash for this is going to be HUGE...I really can't see how this will stand long-term. I also haven't seen any actual companies say they support the repeal of Net Neutrality, but I also haven't gone out of my way to search on that specific topic...so I might be wrong. I have, however, seen major companies come out and say that they are 100% against the repeal, though.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#46 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:53 pm

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Garbagelo wrote:It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.


No. These are issues where the other side is dependent on common sense actions, i.e. you have to TRUST the other side to do the right thing.

But you give an inch and giant companies will take a mile. It could be immediately or it could be incrementally over the years.

And then you wake up one day and wonder why the web eco-system got funneled only through the giant platforms and independent sites everywhere died off as their traffic trickled to a slow death.

Sorry, but good faith in the actions of big corporations doesn't cut it. It is black and white because of that.


I've read enough Libertarian dogma over the years about how the market and large companies will self regulate.

Anyone alive in 2007 with half a brain answer me this question: How did that work out?

And even if you come back with a tried and true conservative canard that "the government encouraged this bad lending", I'll come back with "If the market and self regulation is so awesome, why didn't it stop the government's truly sh*tty idea". Something like the banks saying "Hey, the government is letting us do this thing, but it will really end badly and it's really dumb and we shouldn't."

Wait, the market is only a force for good and self correcting under very certain circumstances you might say? Sounds like an argument for some kind of regulation.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#47 » by King of Canada » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:53 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.



People can fight, but if people really think this happening because Ajit Pai is acting on his own they need to wake up. He is just the face of it to take the blame. There is 100% people with they own private interests that are very powerful as well that want this to happen for various reasons that will benefit them. Ajit Pai is the patsy for this. If people are not taking note, Americans are not really gaining rights. THEY ARE LOSING them at a rate faster than any generation before.


I think the republicans are the idiots, not only Pai. The backlash for this is going to be HUGE...I really can't see how this will stand long-term. I also haven't seen any actual companies say they support the repeal of Net Neutrality, but I also haven't gone out of my way to search on that specific topic...so I might be wrong. I have, however, seen major companies come out and say that they are 100% against the repeal, though.


As usual the big companies are short sighted and are going to lose out in the end when this ends up creating new competitors that chip away at their core businesses.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#48 » by j4remi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:55 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:
No. These are issues where the other side is dependent on common sense actions, i.e. you have to TRUST the other side to do the right thing.

But you give an inch and giant companies will take a mile. It could be immediately or it could be incrementally over the years.

And then you wake up one day and wonder why the web eco-system got funneled only through the giant platforms and independent sites everywhere died off as their traffic trickled to a slow death.

Sorry, but good faith in the actions of big corporations doesn't cut it. It is black and white because of that.


I've read enough Libertarian dogma over the years about how the market and large companies will self regulate.

Anyone alive in 2007 with half a brain answer me this question: How did that work out?

And even if you come back with a tried and true conservative canard that "the government encouraged this bad lending", I'll come back with "If the market and self regulation is so awesome, why didn't it stop the government's truly sh*tty idea". Something like the banks saying "Hey, the government is letting us do this thing, but it will really end badly and it's really dumb and we shouldn't."

Wait, the market is only a force for good and self correcting under very certain circumstances you might say? Sounds like an argument for some kind of regulation.


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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#49 » by Porzingod » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:55 pm

Time to use those 2nd amendment rights you have :D
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#50 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:56 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.


No. These are issues where the other side is dependent on common sense actions, i.e. you have to TRUST the other side to do the right thing.

But you give an inch and giant companies will take a mile. It could be immediately or it could be incrementally over the years.

And then you wake up one day and wonder why the web eco-system got funneled only through the giant platforms and independent sites everywhere died off as their traffic trickled to a slow death.

Sorry, but good faith in the actions of big corporations doesn't cut it. It is black and white because of that.


I've read enough Libertarian dogma over the years about how the market and large companies will self regulate.

Anyone alive in 2007 with half a brain answer me this question: How did that work out?

And even if you come back with a tried and true conservative canard that "the government encouraged this bad lending", I'll come back with "If the market and self regulation is so awesome, why didn't it stop the government's truly sh*tty idea". Something like the banks saying "Hey, the government is letting us do this thing, but it will really end badly and it's really dumb and we shouldn't."

Wait, the market is only a force for good and self correcting under very certain circumstances you might say? Sounds like an argument for some kind of regulation.


Didn't you hear the potato man, though?! All regulations are bad! It's better for the people!!!! HE SAID SO!!!! FOX NEWS SAID SO!!! Republicans said so!!!!!!@!$!%!%!@#

**** idiots. Get rid of the electoral college system and this **** won't happen. 1 vote, 1 person. **** turds.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#51 » by magnumt » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:01 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:How the hell are they gonna try and justify this? NOBODY wanted this besides these three twathead **** ****.


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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#52 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:01 pm

Ah, I went over 10,000 likes discussing the f*cktards who have hijacked Libertarian thought for greedy purposes. Yay!
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#53 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:04 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:It's not as bad as people are making this out to be.

There is a case to be heard for both sides.

Please read up on the other side.


No. These are issues where the other side is dependent on common sense actions, i.e. you have to TRUST the other side to do the right thing.

But you give an inch and giant companies will take a mile. It could be immediately or it could be incrementally over the years.

And then you wake up one day and wonder why the web eco-system got funneled only through the giant platforms and independent sites everywhere died off as their traffic trickled to a slow death.

Sorry, but good faith in the actions of big corporations doesn't cut it. It is black and white because of that.


I've read enough Libertarian dogma over the years about how the market and large companies will self regulate.

Anyone alive in 2007 with half a brain answer me this question: How did that work out?

And even if you come back with a tried and true conservative canard that "the government encouraged this bad lending", I'll come back with "If the market and self regulation is so awesome, why didn't it stop the government's truly sh*tty idea". Something like the banks saying "Hey, the government is letting us do this thing, but it will really end badly and it's really dumb and we shouldn't."

Wait, the market is only a force for good and self correcting under very certain circumstances you might say? Sounds like an argument for some kind of regulation.


Libertarianism as it is espoused by the average wanker is fueled by Pony Express logic with dreams of being gentlemen ranchers from a bygone era.

Government is only as evil as you allow it to be while the vestiges of democracy remain. Let it go too far away from the principles of true representation and you're hosed. Many so-called libertarians have blithely sided with proto-fascists because it sync'd up with their deregulatory free-trade fantasies.

Real libertarianism in the present day needs to focus on protecting the individual and their rights, but often it skews completely into the other direction, sometimes complicitly and often unwittingly.

As an aside, read the latest New Yorker article on Estonia. I'm was interested in that country for some time now, but I'll be following it closer. They are a tiny population so they have a whole other kettle of fish, but their concept of governance and process is fascinating.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#54 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:04 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.



People can fight, but if people really think this happening because Ajit Pai is acting on his own they need to wake up. He is just the face of it to take the blame. There is 100% people with they own private interests that are very powerful as well that want this to happen for various reasons that will benefit them. Ajit Pai is the patsy for this. If people are not taking note, Americans are not really gaining rights. THEY ARE LOSING them at a rate faster than any generation before.


I think the republicans are the idiots, not only Pai. The backlash for this is going to be HUGE...I really can't see how this will stand long-term. I also haven't seen any actual companies say they support the repeal of Net Neutrality, but I also haven't gone out of my way to search on that specific topic...so I might be wrong. I have, however, seen major companies come out and say that they are 100% against the repeal, though.



Of course there will be backlash, the general public would never be in favor of it, also they won't be to many people to support it in the open. That's the whole point of the having a fall Guy and a fall party. Companies have to fall in line as well to certain laws, and you know this, so in the end if they dont like it. It is what it is and wil have to obey.

This is not just about political parties, it's much bigger that than that. We also know politicians ACT in the interests of corporations as well. Everything about this country has shown us in the last few years, it's about having more control over the people in any form they can have. There will be Major corporations that will be against it...and they will be a bunch that is hush hush cause they are in favor and dont want to look like the bad guy. Coming out publicly for it is not what they want or will do.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#55 » by stuporman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:07 pm

Trump's corporate lackeys acting on behalf of the corporate interests to make even more money at the expense of citizens while controlling information.....this is what happens when people believe what a con man says.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#56 » by Greenie » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:09 pm

King of Canada wrote:Two party system screws America again

Which is the biggest issue of all.

We have an either or system and it sucks.
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Post#57 » by Mecca » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:17 pm

Greenie wrote:
King of Canada wrote:Two party system screws America again

Which is the biggest issue of all.

We have an either or system and it sucks.



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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#58 » by Fury » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:21 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
From what I've gathered, most people actually appear to be against it from all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it is returned and these 3 jackasses end up having their wishes overturned. Definitely going to be something to follow through the courts because law firms are going to be all over this.



People can fight, but if people really think this happening because Ajit Pai is acting on his own they need to wake up. He is just the face of it to take the blame. There is 100% people with they own private interests that are very powerful as well that want this to happen for various reasons that will benefit them. Ajit Pai is the patsy for this. If people are not taking note, Americans are not really gaining rights. THEY ARE LOSING them at a rate faster than any generation before.


I think the republicans are the idiots, not only Pai. The backlash for this is going to be HUGE...I really can't see how this will stand long-term. I also haven't seen any actual companies say they support the repeal of Net Neutrality, but I also haven't gone out of my way to search on that specific topic...so I might be wrong. I have, however, seen major companies come out and say that they are 100% against the repeal, though.


Maybe Neil Gorsuch is the hero we need:

There, Justice Neil Gorsuch is expected to play a key role as the newest member of the bench. Gorsuch is considered a skeptic of what is known as "Chevron deference," a practice in which courts give so-called "expert agencies" such as the FCC the benefit of the doubt in decision-making. In the case of net neutrality, Gorsuch's negative views on agency deference may encourage him to oppose the FCC's 2015 regulations, according to Paul Gallant, an industry analyst at Cowen & Co., in a research note Monday.
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Post#59 » by duetta » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:35 pm

It all gets reversed in 2021. But, for now, we endure - and organize.
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Re: BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal 

Post#60 » by omerome » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:40 pm

So basically, in spite of what people have said and voiced their opinions on, they repeal it anyway. But this is a perfect example as to why voting has consequences.

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