PG: Can't stop, won't stop

[WindyCityBorn]

The Bulls got 3 years of that done with one trade, meaning their process should be anywhere from 1 season to 5 seasons. If all 3 of the guys they brought in from the Butler trade turn into starting quality players (and that appears to be the direction it is going) it should be closer to one season than to 5; way closer.

If all 3 guys they got are starting level players it will definitely make a hinkie impossible, but if none are actually All-Stars it might just lock us into to another Skiles level team (not saying they can't be but so far don't see Kyrie/Draymond potential there even as #2 guys).

As if we don't get our superstar next summer, not sure how else we'd get one, seeing as how this org has not been good at luring A level Free Agents, plus nowadays you need more like 2 or 3 elite talents not just the old single star surrounded by role players model that sometimes worked.

How can you see anything from LaVine at this point? I would say Markkanen's rookie season performance so bodes well for his future in this league. Looks like a future all-star talent.

Markkanen and LaVine has have all-star potential and Dunn could be a PG version of Draymond Green. If we hit on our pick(pick an all-star) I think we have a bright future.

[GameBredAPBT]

You're delusional if you think that.

No one gave a **** about the NBA internationally prior to the Bulls. No one internationally knew (nor cared to know) who Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, or the Lakers or Celtics (let alone the freakin Knicks) were or are. They were regional &, at best, national celebrities.

I've lived in 4 separate countries. Go to rural Australia, Spain, wherever, and ask some bumpkin about the NBA or basketball in general. The only thing they're aware of is The Bulls & Michael Jordan. Even as popular as Kobe was, and as popular as LBJ is (both of whom's popularity is way way way overrated by their fanbases), they still haven't eclipsed the Bulls & MJ.

The NBA has been starving for the Bulls to have another Championship team, going as far as to gift them with the #1 pick that featured their hometown kid.

Also, the team you play for doesn't necessarily have much to do with the city where the team is located. These guys are on the road several times per week. They live wherever the hell they want to during the off-season.

But seriously, there has never been a more profitable international sports franchise than the Chicago Bulls. Everyone knows that. Basketball was a national oddity until the 90s Bulls, and is only now beginning to taken seriously internationally, largely due to the residual success of those teams & MJ.

It's one of the great paradoxical conundrums in Sports, that a family as frugal & as shady as the Reinsdorfs unfortunately own this franchise.

[NZB2323]

I can't believe how bad the #2 picks have been. Of all those selections, KD was the only one good enough to be a 1st option for a title contender. A team could have drafted for 10 straight years in the #2 position and never come away with a superstar.

If that isn't Exhibit A for not tanking, you shouldn't be a lawyer, or serve on jury duty.

And very few of the #1 overall picks are leading a team to a title.

And if people aren't aware, that's the last 20 drafts in a row (starting with 2013, all of those guys are off their rookie deals. 2014 draft are on the last year of their rookie deal right now.

Not many teams win titles. If you go back since 1999 only 7 franchises have won the 18 championships. 5 of those championships were won by the Spurs, who tanked to get Tim Duncan(#1 pick), 4 of those championships were won by Shaq, who was a #1 pick, and 3 were won by Lebron, who was a #1 pick and the Cavs tanked for him.

This is the last year the worst record results in the greatest odds for the #1 pick. We should take advantage of that.

[GameBredAPBT]

LOl @ Lavine. LeBron James & Kobe Bryant play basketball because of the Bulls & MJ. They are literally the reason the NBA is as successful as it is in 2017.

[Warren G]

Shaq left Orlando and Lebron left Miami to come back once the Cavs had enough firepower for his liking, there's no guarantee that transcendent superstar stays to reap a championship.

[GameBredAPBT]

Players want to win & nothing more. Winning a championship on the Bulls would mean more than any other franchise in pro sports, let alone the NBA. The entire world would be watching, especially if they had a legitimate superstar.

[ctl131]

Jordan made the Bulls famous worldwide, there's a reason he still sells more shoes than any current player. Everyone in the world knows Jordan and the Bulls, you can't say the same for the Knicks or Lakers or Celtics (who got all their banners when there were 8 teams in the league and players moonlighted with second jobs)

This franchise is for certain way more attractive than most NBA destinations. We just got Pau and Wade, two hall of famers, to come in.

I must have imagined the Lakers winning 5 titles from 2000-2010 then? Celtics have been a relevant, championship winning team more recently than the Bulls have, too, along with their history of greatness. The Knicks are more famous simply because they are in New York. Everyone in the world knew Kobe and the Lakers just as much as they knew Jordan and the Bulls, just like everyone knew LeBron and the Heat, and now Curry and the Warriors. Two old HOF caliber free-agents nearing the end of their careers shouldn't be considered a "great get" by any stretch, so while Wade and Pau are big names they were both past their primes in Chicago.

Sure some people would pick Chicago over other destinations in the NBA, but I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head I would rather play for if I was a prospect, whether it be because the team is better or the city is more appealing.

Boston
Cleveland
Miami
San Antonio
Houston
Golden State
Portland
New York
LA Lakers
LA Clippers

Mike Jordan sold more shoes than Shaq/Kobe and his media (Space Jam) was far more influential across the globe than Shaq's garbage movies or Kobe's garbage rap CD.

I don't doubt your own preferences for cities, but that's not really relevant to this discussion at hand that the Bulls are a global entity because of one guy, who happened to be the most transcendent player in the game and who young people still want to emulate.

You think Lavine isn't hyper aware of the history of the franchise and Jordan himself? There's others like him out there.

Add to that the fact this team is becoming a running, unselfish team with guys who can spread the floor, why wouldn't a free agent want to come be a part of that sort of team, as opposed to playing 10 or 41 minutes a game for Thibs?

First of all, the Bulls are NOT a global entity, MICHAEL JORDAN is a global entity. He doesn't wear Bulls gear anymore, or promote/associate himself with them in any commercial way. The Bulls are just another NBA team that once had a great player that won them things, like the Lakers, Celtics, and now the Warriors/Cavs.

Also, you're out of touch if you think the Bulls should be considered now relevant because of what Michael did when he played, or because of his current commercial success. The kids that are entering the draft now don't want to emulate Michael Jordan, they wanted to be LeBron James growing up. LeBron entered the league when next year's draft class was 3-4 years old. Those kids know more about the Lakers winning championships with Kobe and Shaq than they do about MJ winning titles in the 90s.

[NZB2323]

Shaq left Orlando and Lebron left Miami to come back once the Cavs had enough firepower for his liking, there's no guarantee that transcendent superstar stays to reap a championship.

There’s no guarantee of anything, but getting the #1 pick would give us the best odds of winning a championship in the future.

Also, the Cavs were able to have enough firepower for Lebron to come back because they kept getting the #1 pick.

[Warren G]

Yeah, count me skeptical but I'm not going to think being bad enough for the better part of a decade to continuously accumulate #1 picks in hopes of possibly coaxing a team hopping ring chaser to join up is a wise plan.

[Warren G]

I must have imagined the Lakers winning 5 titles from 2000-2010 then? Celtics have been a relevant, championship winning team more recently than the Bulls have, too, along with their history of greatness. The Knicks are more famous simply because they are in New York. Everyone in the world knew Kobe and the Lakers just as much as they knew Jordan and the Bulls, just like everyone knew LeBron and the Heat, and now Curry and the Warriors. Two old HOF caliber free-agents nearing the end of their careers shouldn't be considered a "great get" by any stretch, so while Wade and Pau are big names they were both past their primes in Chicago.

Sure some people would pick Chicago over other destinations in the NBA, but I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head I would rather play for if I was a prospect, whether it be because the team is better or the city is more appealing.

Boston
Cleveland
Miami
San Antonio
Houston
Golden State
Portland
New York
LA Lakers
LA Clippers

Mike Jordan sold more shoes than Shaq/Kobe and his media (Space Jam) was far more influential across the globe than Shaq's garbage movies or Kobe's garbage rap CD.

I don't doubt your own preferences for cities, but that's not really relevant to this discussion at hand that the Bulls are a global entity because of one guy, who happened to be the most transcendent player in the game and who young people still want to emulate.

You think Lavine isn't hyper aware of the history of the franchise and Jordan himself? There's others like him out there.

Add to that the fact this team is becoming a running, unselfish team with guys who can spread the floor, why wouldn't a free agent want to come be a part of that sort of team, as opposed to playing 10 or 41 minutes a game for Thibs?

First of all, the Bulls are NOT a global entity, MICHAEL JORDAN is a global entity. He doesn't wear Bulls gear anymore, or promote/associate himself with them in any commercial way. The Bulls are just another NBA team that once had a great player that won them things, like the Lakers, Celtics, and now the Warriors/Cavs.

Also, you're out of touch if you think the Bulls should be considered now relevant because of what Michael did when he played, or because of his current commercial success. The kids that are entering the draft now don't want to emulate Michael Jordan, they wanted to be LeBron James growing up. LeBron entered the league when next year's draft class was 3-4 years old. Those kids know more about the Lakers winning championships with Kobe and Shaq than they do about MJ winning titles in the 90s.

Dude, how old are you? Michael Jordan is as synonymous with the Chicago Bulls as Kleenex are to "facial tissue". Jordan commercialized everything about the game and got it to the place it is now. FInals games JUST got to the ratings that Jordan's did almost 20 years ago.

[NZB2323]

Yeah, count me skeptical but I'm not going to think being bad enough for the better part of a decade to continuously accumulate #1 picks in hopes of possibly coaxing a team hopping ring chaser to join up is a wise plan.

This is the last year where a team with the worst record gets the most ping-pong balls for the lottery. We should tank this year to try and get a player like Ayton, who could end up being a superstar.

[ctl131]

Mike Jordan sold more shoes than Shaq/Kobe and his media (Space Jam) was far more influential across the globe than Shaq's garbage movies or Kobe's garbage rap CD.

I don't doubt your own preferences for cities, but that's not really relevant to this discussion at hand that the Bulls are a global entity because of one guy, who happened to be the most transcendent player in the game and who young people still want to emulate.

You think Lavine isn't hyper aware of the history of the franchise and Jordan himself? There's others like him out there.

Add to that the fact this team is becoming a running, unselfish team with guys who can spread the floor, why wouldn't a free agent want to come be a part of that sort of team, as opposed to playing 10 or 41 minutes a game for Thibs?

First of all, the Bulls are NOT a global entity, MICHAEL JORDAN is a global entity. He doesn't wear Bulls gear anymore, or promote/associate himself with them in any commercial way. The Bulls are just another NBA team that once had a great player that won them things, like the Lakers, Celtics, and now the Warriors/Cavs.

Also, you're out of touch if you think the Bulls should be considered now relevant because of what Michael did when he played, or because of his current commercial success. The kids that are entering the draft now don't want to emulate Michael Jordan, they wanted to be LeBron James growing up. LeBron entered the league when next year's draft class was 3-4 years old. Those kids know more about the Lakers winning championships with Kobe and Shaq than they do about MJ winning titles in the 90s.

Dude, how old are you? Michael Jordan is as synonymous with the Chicago Bulls as Kleenex are to "facial tissue". Jordan commercialized everything about the game and got it to the place it is now. FInals games JUST got to the ratings that Jordan's did almost 20 years ago.

Right now MJ is more synonymous with Haynes than he is the Bulls.

[ctl131]

You're delusional if you think that.

No one gave a **** about the NBA internationally prior to the Bulls. No one internationally knew (nor cared to know) who Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, or the Lakers or Celtics (let alone the freakin Knicks) were or are. They were regional &, at best, national celebrities.

I've lived in 4 separate countries. Go to rural Australia, Spain, wherever, and ask some bumpkin about the NBA or basketball in general. The only thing they're aware of is The Bulls & Michael Jordan. Even as popular as Kobe was, and as popular as LBJ is (both of whom's popularity is way way way overrated by their fanbases), they still haven't eclipsed the Bulls & MJ.

The NBA has been starving for the Bulls to have another Championship team, going as far as to gift them with the #1 pick that featured their hometown kid.

Also, the team you play for doesn't necessarily have much to do with the city where the team is located. These guys are on the road several times per week. They live wherever the hell they want to during the off-season.

But seriously, there has never been a more profitable international sports franchise than the Chicago Bulls. Everyone knows that. Basketball was a national oddity until the 90s Bulls, and is only now beginning to taken seriously internationally, largely due to the residual success of those teams & MJ.

It's one of the great paradoxical conundrums in Sports, that a family as frugal & as shady as the Reinsdorfs unfortunately own this franchise.

There's never been a more profitable international sports franchise than the Bulls? Are you high? Right now they aren't even in the top 20 most valuable franchises in the world; you would think the most profitable franchise in history would crack the top 10 if that were true. They certainly aren't more profitable than say, Real Madrid, Barcelona, or Manchester United, let alone the Yankees.

Also I have to think the idea that the NBA is starving for a new winner in Chicago is nonsense, because I hear the same thing every year about the Knicks (I live in NY), Lakers and Celtics, who according to you, aren't even close to as famous or popular as the vaunted Bulls.

[GameBredAPBT]

The Bulls are more of a global entity than Jordan. The player doesn't transcend the brand. There's a reason why, when the D.Rose became a superstar, the Bulls instantly became the hottest ticket & he, nearly overnight, became a national superstar. Because he was playing for the Bulls. Had he had the same sort of success on, say, the Thunder, it wouldn't have been nearly as emphatic.

The Lakers, LBJ, Shaq, Kobe, aren't even on the spectrum globally that the Bulls will always be. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the NBA was an global non-entity prior to the Bulls success. When people in Backwoods, Cambodia hear "basketball", the Bulls logo & the Air logo is what instantly pops into their heads.

[Warren G]

First of all, the Bulls are NOT a global entity, MICHAEL JORDAN is a global entity. He doesn't wear Bulls gear anymore, or promote/associate himself with them in any commercial way. The Bulls are just another NBA team that once had a great player that won them things, like the Lakers, Celtics, and now the Warriors/Cavs.

Also, you're out of touch if you think the Bulls should be considered now relevant because of what Michael did when he played, or because of his current commercial success. The kids that are entering the draft now don't want to emulate Michael Jordan, they wanted to be LeBron James growing up. LeBron entered the league when next year's draft class was 3-4 years old. Those kids know more about the Lakers winning championships with Kobe and Shaq than they do about MJ winning titles in the 90s.

Dude, how old are you? Michael Jordan is as synonymous with the Chicago Bulls as Kleenex are to "facial tissue". Jordan commercialized everything about the game and got it to the place it is now. FInals games JUST got to the ratings that Jordan's did almost 20 years ago.

Right now MJ is more synonymous with Haynes than he is the Bulls.

It's Hanes, man. If you're going to insist on being this wrong at least get your arguments right.

And it's Jordan brand sneakers he's known for, which he started wearing, wait for it...wait for it, when he was a member of the Chicago Bulls.

[Red8911]

Winning 4 straight isn't common at all among a worst in the league type team.

To be honest it wasn’t against the better teams(Boston didn’t have Irving,Hayward),but still your right this is impressive.They have been playing so much better with niko and pretty much whole team healthy excluding lavine.

Boston is one of the best teams in the NBA and Hayward has not been a part of that.

Ok but still they were without Irving and they looked awful. Not trying to degrade the bulls win but that’s the fact. Let’s see what they do from now on.

[GameBredAPBT]

No one internationally cares about the Celtics or the Knicks, they're borderline non-entities. Those are regionally popular franchises & nothing more. The Lakers, perhaps, but only because of Kobe Bryant & their recent success, and even then, it was a fraction of what MJ & The Bulls accomplished.

Of course the NBA is dying for the Bulls to be successful & are likely hoping the Reinsdorfs sell the team, even thought that isn't likely to happen. Everyone was screaming "rig" when the Bulls landed Rose.

Globally, it's still Bulls & Air Jordan & then everything else.

[GameBredAPBT]

The Yankees, perhaps nationally, but baseball is an afterthought globally.

[ctl131]

The Bulls are more of a global entity than Jordan. The player doesn't transcend the brand. There's a reason why, when the D.Rose became a superstar, the Bulls instantly became the hottest ticket & he, nearly overnight, became a national superstar. Because he was playing for the Bulls. Had he had the same sort of success on, say, the Thunder, it wouldn't have been nearly as emphatic.

The Lakers, LBJ, Shaq, Kobe, aren't even on the spectrum globally that the Bulls will always be. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the NBA was an global non-entity prior to the Bulls success. When people in Backwoods, Cambodia hear "basketball", the Bulls logo & the Air logo is what instantly pops into their heads.

Michael Jordan 100% transcends the Bulls brand, to the point where he is actually his own, bigger brand. The Bulls didn't make Michael Jordan popular, it was the other way around. When he retired, the Bulls were just another team. Once they got another MVP calibre player, they became relevant again. It wasn't because they were the Bulls, it was because they had MJ, and later, Rose.

I also don't believe that Derrick Rose would have been less of a superstar if he was playing elsewhere, either. Do you think Durant would have been more famous that he is now if he was on the Bulls instead of the Thunder? The answer is no, because it doesn't matter where you play anymore, the globalized society we live in just wants to see good players, they don't care what city/team they represent because for the most part they have no connection to those teams/cities.

[GameBredAPBT]

D.Rose, after one (count it) ONE successful year with the Bulls, had the #1 selling jersey worldwide (maybe it was behind Kobe in China, not sure, but he eclipsed him soon after) & landed a $300 million dollar shoe deal. After one successful year.

The NBA = The Bulls & MJ, everyone knows that.