Antinomy wrote:The numbers argument is always laughable. The best of the best players will always put up numbers across the board if that’s what their role is.
Lebron puts up his loaded box score numbers because he has the ball in his hands every possession & he basically runs a drive & kick system to run his numbers up.
When MJ was placed in a similar role in the late 80s, he put up 33/8/8. MJ put up monster box score numbers before Phil Jackson came in & installed a system. Even Kobe put up monster assist stats when he played a similar style as Lebron.
We just saw Westbrook & Harden put up monster stats across the board last season because they played that “archangel” offense Lebron runs.
Let’s not act like MJ doesn’t have crazy numbers himself when compared to Lebron.
Fact of the matter is, Lebron will always get his numbers because he is the system on his teams. I guarantee if he actually stopped trying to be the coach & GM on his teams, he would’ve won more than the 3 titles he had to squeeze out.
No MJ propogator uses the ring argument because it’s lazy. Although I see a lot of Lebron fans trying to use that strawman.
Lebron’s GOAT argument is built on excuses.
Thank you so much. When Doug Collins moved MJ to point, he fired off 10 triple doubles in 11 games. 7 in a row. Those numbers are about role, system, and teambuilding. We've seen increasing evidence that more and more players are capable of the "all-around game". It's especially exploitable with the spacing of today.
The argument about illegal defenses is a respectable one. One poster said you could space out with no 3pt shooters. But the difference is now if the ballhandler draws help and kicks out, all those dudes on the perimeter are elite 3pt shooters, so that's easily a
way more potent offense than anything in the 90's.
