Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East?

711takeover · Post #141 » by **711takeover** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:27 am

sshle wrote:
Froob wrote:Nope...

Yup. Boston is overrated. Once Irving’s body gives out, peace.

Yeah generally when your best player gets hurt your team will fall apart. And if this happens to Kyrie, the Celtics would actually lose their 2 best players

Steelo Green · Post #142 » by **Steelo Green** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:28 am

Yes, more needless stirring of the pot between two fan bases who have never met in the PO.

OzCastiel · Post #143 » by **OzCastiel** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:47 am

KnightofHyrule wrote:
OzCastiel wrote:I love raptor fans using their fluke win over houston without chris paul as some type of transcendent win. Chris Paul would be the best player on the raptors and it's not even close.

"Fluke" lol? Stop hating. The Raptors are 18-8. Raptors and Rockets split the season series every year. Don't be disrespectful.

Watch your mouth when you quote me boy. Nobody cares about your fluke, again, against a team missing a guy who is better than anyone on your roster. Move along the raptors are a poor mans hawks from a handful of seasons ago. By their second playoff game lawry and demar are going to be crying to the media about how they suck just like every year

PhilBlackson · Post #144 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:52 am

RealGM enjoys the Cold War between TOR & BOS too much.

Borderline baiting.

MovieMuscle · Post #145 » by **MovieMuscle** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:03 am

Tommygriffin wrote:1.Celtics
2.Cavs
3.Pacers
4.Pistons
5.Raptors

Actually they are 5th op

lol the Raptors are definitely better than the Pistons and Pacers.

PhilBlackson · Post #146 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:06 am

MovieMuscle wrote:
Tommygriffin wrote:1.Celtics
2.Cavs
3.Pacers
4.Pistons
5.Raptors

Actually they are 5th op

lol the Raptors are definitely better than the Pistons and Pacers.

As are the Cavs over ANYONE in the East.

Tai · Post #147 » by **Tai** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:54 am

Asif16 wrote:
binjumper wrote:Should've dropped money on this thread being a boston/toronto dick slanging contest

The thread wasnt even started by a Raps fan but everyone assumed it was.

The problem with this thread is the fact that people don't even think that the Raps being the 2nd team in the East is even 'Debatable". Im not saying you have to agree with the fact. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the fact that some people dont even think the Raps should even be in the Conversation given their start to the season, is truly remarkable.

Sooo people think the Celtics are clearly better? Ooook, what's the big deal? They got to the ECF last season as the #1 seed, took a game from the Cavs in Cleveland without IT, and followed that up with a 24-6 start (.800) through 30 games without Hayward. Seems like a compelling case to me...

Tai · Post #148 » by **Tai** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:57 am

And on top of that, that'd make the Raptors a top 3 team in the East. Raptors fans are really up in arms about that now 2 weeks before Christmas??

DHK · Post #149 » by **DHK** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:58 am

Tai wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
binjumper wrote:Should've dropped money on this thread being a boston/toronto dick slanging contest

The thread wasnt even started by a Raps fan but everyone assumed it was.

The problem with this thread is the fact that people don't even think that the Raps being the 2nd team in the East is even 'Debatable". Im not saying you have to agree with the fact. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the fact that some people dont even think the Raps should even be in the Conversation given their start to the season, is truly remarkable.

Sooo people think the Celtics are clearly better? Ooook, what's the big deal? They got to the ECF last season as the #1 seed, took a game from the Cavs in Cleveland without IT, and followed that up with a 24-6 start (.800) through 30 games without Hayward. Seems like a compelling case to me...

Toronto fans will think Raptors are the 2nd best team,
Boston fans will think Celtics are the 2nd best team or the best team.
Other fans will have divided opinions.
Boston and Toronto are on the same tier and I think it's pure ignorance to some of these people who argue the Pacers/Pistons are better.
I feel Boston's the better team but it's a very slight gap, not as massive as some people may believe.

chrisab123 · Post #150 » by **chrisab123** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:08 am

DHK wrote:
Tai wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
The thread wasnt even started by a Raps fan but everyone assumed it was.

The problem with this thread is the fact that people don't even think that the Raps being the 2nd team in the East is even 'Debatable". Im not saying you have to agree with the fact. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the fact that some people dont even think the Raps should even be in the Conversation given their start to the season, is truly remarkable.

Sooo people think the Celtics are clearly better? Ooook, what's the big deal? They got to the ECF last season as the #1 seed, took a game from the Cavs in Cleveland without IT, and followed that up with a 24-6 start (.800) through 30 games without Hayward. Seems like a compelling case to me...

Toronto fans will think Raptors are the 2nd best team,
Boston fans will think Celtics are the 2nd best team or the best team.
Other fans will have divided opinions.
Boston and Toronto are on the same tier and I think it's pure ignorance to some of these people who argue the Pacers/Pistons are better.
I feel Boston's the better team but it's a very slight gap, not as massive as some people may believe.

Are we talking a slight gap with Kyrie or a slight gap with Kyrie and Hayward? There’s a difference there. The first one I could see your point. The second one not so much.

dukes_wild · Post #151 » by **dukes_wild** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:16 am

Easily, how is this even a question?

First Step · Post #152 » by **First Step** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:18 am

OzCastiel wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:
OzCastiel wrote:I love raptor fans using their fluke win over houston without chris paul as some type of transcendent win. Chris Paul would be the best player on the raptors and it's not even close.

"Fluke" lol? Stop hating. The Raptors are 18-8. Raptors and Rockets split the season series every year. Don't be disrespectful.

Watch your mouth when you quote me boy. Nobody cares about your fluke, again, against a team missing a guy who is better than anyone on your roster. Move along the raptors are a poor mans hawks from a handful of seasons ago. By their second playoff game lawry and demar are going to be crying to the media about how they suck just like every year

You sound like you need a hug.

OzCastiel · Post #153 » by **OzCastiel** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:23 am

First Step wrote:
OzCastiel wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:"Fluke" lol? Stop hating. The Raptors are 18-8. Raptors and Rockets split the season series every year. Don't be disrespectful.

Watch your mouth when you quote me boy. Nobody cares about your fluke, again, against a team missing a guy who is better than anyone on your roster. Move along the raptors are a poor mans hawks from a handful of seasons ago. By their second playoff game lawry and demar are going to be crying to the media about how they suck just like every year

You sound like you need a hug.

I get to watch great basketball every week and don't get subjected to the annual make belief clown shows with the raptors so no thanks I'm good on your hug offer

XxIronChainzxX · Post #154 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:25 am

Tai wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
binjumper wrote:Should've dropped money on this thread being a boston/toronto dick slanging contest

The thread wasnt even started by a Raps fan but everyone assumed it was.

The problem with this thread is the fact that people don't even think that the Raps being the 2nd team in the East is even 'Debatable". Im not saying you have to agree with the fact. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the fact that some people dont even think the Raps should even be in the Conversation given their start to the season, is truly remarkable.

Sooo people think the Celtics are clearly better? Ooook, what's the big deal? They got to the ECF last season as the #1 seed, took a game from the Cavs in Cleveland without IT, and followed that up with a 24-6 start (.800) through 30 games without Hayward. Seems like a compelling case to me...

The Celts have been awesome this season, but it makes no sense to talk about last season's post-season run when most of the team isn't the same. Plus, at this point in the East, getting to the ECF is more about avoiding the Cavs in the 2nd round vs. a real achievement. Last year's Celts won a close game but got blown out worse than the Raptors the other times. Hard to say which team was really better.

There's a good case this years Celts are better than the Raptors (the w/o Hayward version) - but last years success has no connection.

GreenBloodedC · Post #155 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:39 am

Let's just give it to them.

They take pride on being 2nd best in the East anyway. Congrats for being 2nd.

XxIronChainzxX · Post #156 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:47 am

GreenBloodedC wrote:Let's just give it to them.

They take pride on being 2nd best in the East anyway. Congrats for being 2nd.

Good on you for gracefully accepting being 3rd best.

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #157 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:02 am

Cavs, Boston then Raps

Edit: Maybe with both teams at there best (currently without Hayward) the Raps are better than the Celtics, but Lowry isn't consistent anymore. I'm no longer surprised seeing him go 3/12 in games, and vs great defences it can't just be Derozan or relying on our bench to score

Volcano · Post #158 » by **Volcano** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:05 am

I think Boston clearly takes the edge here, but I don't get what's so great about a pissing contest between fans for 2nd place.

RonaldArtest · Post #159 » by **RonaldArtest** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:12 am

A Toronto-Boston playoff series would probably drop the RealGM community population down 30% with all the bans.

Shanghai Kid · Post #160 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:26 am

I think the Raps could win 60 games.

Push comes to shove, I just don't see Derozon/Lowry defeating Wall/Beal in the playoffs. Maybe it's from my memory of the Wizards sweeping them, but Beal has been better then Derozon in the playoffs his whole career, and Wall was better in last years playoffs then Lowry has ever been.

That's just the Wizards. Now you go to the Cavs and Boston. I don't see them beating them either. Playoff Irving is better then both Derozon and Lowry, and Lebron basically mentally owns them.

I could be wrong. We'll see cone playoff time.