Luka Doncic part II

[J_T]

He should not participate in draft and go directly for max contract in few years later an to team he prefers.

It doesn't work that way.

The retirement and straight to HOF sounds like a good idea.

[Cipoteman]

Tired of doubters, keeps demonstrating week after week that he's the best on courts full of experienced but formerly drafted prospects making 7 figures in Europe.

[J_T]

Looks like Porzingis is a fan.

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I looked at this couple more times, to see how he does it, since we all know he is as athletic as a bag of potatoes and with the usual disclaimers out of the way (this won't work in NBA, he can do it against busts etc), here are my thoughts:

His first step is still nothing special and is definitely not elite by any stretch of imagination, however when he does move, in one direction or another, the move is substantial. He is a big guy and he makes big steps. This definitely offsets the speed itself somewhat.

This has been mentioned before, but he controls his body really well and is able to stop very quickly. If this is followed by a step back, there is very little a defender can do. He can easily create space, not because he has a quick first step, but because he can stop quickly and step back. When the defender changes direction, he can then proceed forward again and it should work most of the time. Outside of NBA, of course.

His footwork was perfect. He seems to be doing exactly the right thing at the right time and it seems that he is able to dribble and get rid of the defender precisely because of the control he has.

Let's face it. Among all 18-year old players with average athleticism he definitely holds all time world record in number of times he broke ankles of his defenders. Pretty sure I can think of 5 spectacular ones (one even with the guy actually losing a shoe) in last 3 months. And yes, for the last time, it will not work in NBA. Unless it does.

[Nikson]

We are counting knees and hips. Not ankles.

About HOF. It is not a question anymore. He is in by Fiba quote.

About draft. How does it work if he does not participate in draft by 24th year? As Milos did by this year. Is he than a free agent and can sign by who he wants?

[pacersGM]

its nice to see every single poster not overreacting to this (HOF predictions, nba isnt ready for him, some (NBA) mvp chants maybe?)


doncic is playing great euro ball, like i predicted or even better (euro ball GOD), but still.
you do realize that that poor fella slipped on the floor twice?

and to keep this example forum related, here is a true ankle breaker and a familiar victim

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[The Sparest]

And yes, for the last time, it will not work in NBA. Unless it does.

Kind of like how Marc Gasol was too unathletic, slow, and plodding to ever be a center in the NBA?

[Nikson]

its nice to see every single poster not overreacting to this (HOF predictions, nba isnt ready for him, some (NBA) mvp chants maybe?)


doncic is playing great euro ball, like i predicted or even better (euro ball GOD), but still.
you do realize that that poor fella slipped on the floor twice?

and to keep this example forum related, here is a true ankle breaker and a familiar victim

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Always thought ankle/knee/hip breaker is about someone slips, stuck and finally fall overon some funny way.

[Grits n Gravy]

We are counting knees and hips. Not ankles.

About HOF. It is not a question anymore. He is in by Fiba quote.

About draft. How does it work if he does not participate in draft by 24th year? As Milos did by this year. Is he than a free agent and can sign by who he wants?

All international players are entered into the draft in the year they turn 22 if they haven't already declared previously - so no doubt he would be selected if he didn't declare previously. I believe Milos was draft eligible in 2009 but wasn't selected so he became an unrestricted free agent. If a team had selected him then obviously they would hold his exclusive rights and could sign him or trade his rights etc.

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[Wagonband]

We are counting knees and hips. Not ankles.

About HOF. It is not a question anymore. He is in by Fiba quote.

About draft. How does it work if he does not participate in draft by 24th year? As Milos did by this year. Is he than a free agent and can sign by who he wants?

All international players are entered into the draft in the year they turn 22 if they haven't already declared previously - so no doubt he would be selected if he didn't declare previously. I believe Milos was draft eligible in 2009 but wasn't selected so he became an unrestricted free agent. If a team had selected him then obviously they would hold his exclusive rights and could sign him or trade his rights etc.

What's the rule for Europeans under 22 that don't enter the draft? Say a team like Spurs would offer Doncic straight up a 40/4 contract, and tell him to not declare, is that possible? I'm always confused why the draft is as is. Is it a must to declare? Same for US natives; could a team offer a simmilar contract to Ayton for example?

[Grits n Gravy]

We are counting knees and hips. Not ankles.

About HOF. It is not a question anymore. He is in by Fiba quote.

About draft. How does it work if he does not participate in draft by 24th year? As Milos did by this year. Is he than a free agent and can sign by who he wants?

All international players are entered into the draft in the year they turn 22 if they haven't already declared previously - so no doubt he would be selected if he didn't declare previously. I believe Milos was draft eligible in 2009 but wasn't selected so he became an unrestricted free agent. If a team had selected him then obviously they would hold his exclusive rights and could sign him or trade his rights etc.

What's the rule for Europeans under 22 that don't enter the draft? Say a team like Spurs would offer Doncic straight up a 40/4 contract, and tell him to not declare, is that possible? I'm always confused why the draft is as is. Is it a must to declare? Same for US natives; could a team offer a simmilar contract to Ayton for example?

No all players, international and US, have to go through the draft before they can sign a contract.

International players can declare for the draft in the year when they will turn 19(I think) at the earliest. They can enter the draft any year after that. If they have not declared for any draft prior to the year they turn 22, then they are automatically entered into the draft and any team can select them(even if they have no intention of coming to the NBA). If any player goes undrafted they are free agents and can sign to any team for any amount(subject to the CBA).

US players I think can declare in the year they turn 19(they have to be one year out of high school too I think) and any year after and I believe that all college players are eligible to be drafted once their senior year is finished.

So all players, both international and US natives, will be draft eligible at some point.

[BlueSan]

and to answer the question no, or specifically if X person or Doncic in this case wishes to earn as much as possible in as short amount of time as possible he is almost definitely best off declaring for the following draft, getting picked number 1 and then resigning contracts it is one of the things Stojakovič himself has said that was his mistake and didnt do in this fashion.

We are talking money wise here of course

[Nikson]

All international players are entered into the draft in the year they turn 22 if they haven't already declared previously - so no doubt he would be selected if he didn't declare previously. I believe Milos was draft eligible in 2009 but wasn't selected so he became an unrestricted free agent. If a team had selected him then obviously they would hold his exclusive rights and could sign him or trade his rights etc.

What's the rule for Europeans under 22 that don't enter the draft? Say a team like Spurs would offer Doncic straight up a 40/4 contract, and tell him to not declare, is that possible? I'm always confused why the draft is as is. Is it a must to declare? Same for US natives; could a team offer a simmilar contract to Ayton for example?

No all players, international and US, have to go through the draft before they can sign a contract.

International players can declare for the draft in the year when they will turn 19(I think) at the earliest. They can enter the draft any year after that. If they have not declared for any draft prior to the year they turn 22, then they are automatically entered into the draft and any team can select them(even if they have no intention of coming to the NBA). If any player goes undrafted they are free agents and can sign to any team for any amount(subject to the CBA).

US players I think can declare in the year they turn 19(they have to be one year out of high school too I think) and any year after and I believe that all college players are eligible to be drafted once their senior year is finished.

So all players, both international and US natives, will be draft eligible at some point.

So, if at 22 he doesn’t enter the draft, and nobody draft him he can sign for max contract (240/5) the same year or he should wait another year to pass?

[XTraderXL]

I think in this case he can sign the max contract but the 240/5 is a super max which can sign only the players who were already playing for the same team for a certain period. I think thats how it works but I am not 100%.

Basically if he went undrafted, he could sign for 30M per season (or whatever the max is)as a rookie but no supermax for him yet.

[Nikson]

Well, I already said, NBA is not ready yet.

[pacersGM]

he can get drafted this year, stay in europe for 3 years and then he is no longer bound by the rookie deal salary cap, and can sign a bigger deal.

but that would be stupid, as he wont get anywhere as much guaranteed money as a nba 1-3 pick in the first 2 years. meaning he will get paid at least 6 million usd per season the first 2 years. that much he wont get in europe nowhere. and after those 2-4 rookie years he can get the crazy amounts.

it would be idiotic to stay a year longer in europe. he cant have a higher draft position then with his current stats and play, and he can get the bigger nba deals quicker (if his game will be up to it, that is). because to scouts, gms, 18yr old sounds way better then 19. that means another wave of US guys is comming in, and it never ends.

so to go 2018 is the only reasonable, logic way, and he knows that for shure. his stock wont be higher then it is this year.

[Nikson]

His stock will be higher at 22 as free agent.
Well anticipated. Show him the money!

[AJ3]

How does it work exactly, are teams allowed to talk to players before the draft, or is it all up in the air until the draft day?

[Nikson]

He can say:”i would only come to XXX”
Or:”I really like Texas, but don’t want to have anything with space traveling”. So he will go to Spurs and Huston would not wait for him.

[antonac]

what team do you Doncic fans want him to go to?

personally I want to see him in NYC, assembling an all time great euroteam and pairing up with Porzingis but I'm interested to hear what you think.