Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[BigSleep333]

No, it is not plausible to think he wasn't injured just because you saw no scans because you never see scans of players. Do you think its plausible to think ever injury is made up?

Again, the situation is most certainly weird but saying it is totally made up is more bizarre.

well 99% of the time there is no reason to not "believe" what you have been told. this case is obv not that certain. show me ONE EXAMPLE where a player sits out 2+ months for muscular imbalance and doesnt practice for at least 3 weeks, after news was released the player has no more pain and i will shut up forever regarding fultz. please give me something

Show me one example of a player that has had scapular muscle imbalance in his/her shoulder. You seem certain that there is an acceptable time table for this injury well show me a situation where a player has been diagnosed with the same injury to his/her shoulder and has come back within what you seem to "deem" an acceptable time frame.

No I don't mean an example where "my cousin's mother in laws nephew's nieces son had the same injury and came back in a week". I mean legitimate examples of this same injury. I looked and couldn't find any but since your speaking with some decisiveness maybe you've seen an example of this injury before.

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

[Simmons25]

whats your "evidence" that fultz is injured? because they said so? thats not any different. you "believe it without evidence". there are no scans that show something is wrong with his shoulder..

thats not making up stuff, as i dont say its fact. "it screams to me" is pretty clearly just my impression of this situation.

It's called "common sense". The "because they say so" you refer to is not the team... or even Markelle himself. It's an INDEPENDENT shoulder specialist that found the problem.

Common sense tells me that an independent medical professional who happens to be a shoulder specialist is not going to put their reputation and career on the line to flat out lie and make up an injury because Brian Colangelo asked them nicely to lie just to take some heat off.

Common sense tells me that if it was a mental confidence thing only, the last thing he would be doing is putting his feet up on a lounge somewhere. He would be in a gym shooting and he is not.

Common sense tells me that if Joel Embiid says Markelle is hurt and injured then he is hurt and injured. Joel doesn't lie and he certainly isn't a puppet for the 76ers front office. His history has shown that.

[BullyKing]

well 99% of the time there is no reason to not "believe" what you have been told. this case is obv not that certain. show me ONE EXAMPLE where a player sits out 2+ months and doesnt practice for at least 3 weeks, after news was released the player has no more pain and i will shut up forever regarding fultz. please give me something

Because he has barely played since February so I'm assuming that this time is used to get him back in game shape with his conditioning and soon that will include an actual return to practice. It's not clear that he won't practice for three weeks just that he is not right now.

But the underlined is my real issue. It's no one's job here to provide evidence to talk you off a conspiratorial ledge that you walked yourself onto without evidence. You are free to continue to believe whatever you want.

fultz is injured and needs a quadrillion days to heal a broken fingernail. if BC told that, would it still be conspirational to you to think this is complete BS? for me it is almost at this point, since no one can give me a comparable example.

And here is the problem. You've talked yourself into this being the same as a broken fingernail and now everyone else has to convince you otherwise.

[JojoSlimbiid]

well 99% of the time there is no reason to not "believe" what you have been told. this case is obv not that certain. show me ONE EXAMPLE where a player sits out 2+ months for muscular imbalance and doesnt practice for at least 3 weeks, after news was released the player has no more pain and i will shut up forever regarding fultz. please give me something

Show me one example of a player that has had scapular muscle imbalance in his/her shoulder. You seem certain that there is an acceptable time table for this injury well show me a situation where a player has been diagnosed with the same injury to his/her shoulder and has come back within what you seem to "deem" an acceptable time frame.

No I don't mean an example where "my cousin's mother in laws nephew's nieces son had the same injury and came back in a week". I mean legitimate examples of this same injury. I looked and couldn't find any but since your speaking with some decisiveness maybe you've seen an example of this injury before.

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

Oh ok so your have no proof or examples of anything and are pretty much just talking out of your ***. Got it.

[BigSleep333]

whats your "evidence" that fultz is injured? because they said so? thats not any different. you "believe it without evidence". there are no scans that show something is wrong with his shoulder..

thats not making up stuff, as i dont say its fact. "it screams to me" is pretty clearly just my impression of this situation.

It's called "common sense". The "because they say so" you refer to is not the team... or even Markelle himself. It's an INDEPENDENT shoulder specialist that found the problem.

Common sense tells me that an independent medical professional who happens to be a shoulder specialist is not going to put their reputation and career on the line to flat out lie and make up an injury because Brian Colangelo asked them nicely to lie just to take some heat off.

Common sense tells me that if it was a mental confidence thing only, the last thing he would be doing is putting his feet up on a lounge somewhere. He would be in a gym shooting and he is not.

Common sense tells me that if Joel Embiid says Markelle is hurt and injured then he is hurt and injured. Joel doesn't lie and he certainly isn't a puppet for the 76ers front office. His history has shown that.

common sense tells me: doctor found nothing, markelle said: my shoulder hurts, doctor: has to be some muscle imbalance when it hurts.

you dont know what he does. all we know is he isnt shooting publicly.

how would joel know if markelle is injured or not?

[BigSleep333]

Because he has barely played since February so I'm assuming that this time is used to get him back in game shape with his conditioning and soon that will include an actual return to practice. It's not clear that he won't practice for three weeks just that he is not right now.

But the underlined is my real issue. It's no one's job here to provide evidence to talk you off a conspiratorial ledge that you walked yourself onto without evidence. You are free to continue to believe whatever you want.

fultz is injured and needs a quadrillion days to heal a broken fingernail. if BC told that, would it still be conspirational to you to think this is complete BS? for me it is almost at this point, since no one can give me a comparable example.

And here is the problem. You've talked yourself into this being the same as a broken fingernail and now everyone else has to convince you otherwise.

nobody here has to convince me otherwise and you cant anyway. only fultz can convince me.

i just react to your reactions to my opinion.

[BigSleep333]

Show me one example of a player that has had scapular muscle imbalance in his/her shoulder. You seem certain that there is an acceptable time table for this injury well show me a situation where a player has been diagnosed with the same injury to his/her shoulder and has come back within what you seem to "deem" an acceptable time frame.

No I don't mean an example where "my cousin's mother in laws nephew's nieces son had the same injury and came back in a week". I mean legitimate examples of this same injury. I looked and couldn't find any but since your speaking with some decisiveness maybe you've seen an example of this injury before.

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

Oh ok so your have no proof or examples of anything and are pretty much just talking out of your ***. Got it.

you could also make up any injury and name it "colangeloitis". doesnt prove your point a bit and more so, tends to scream BS

[Simmons25]

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

Man you are just being annoying as hell now. Players miss games all the time due to muscle imbalance except it is never called that... its called a "strain" and it's usually the end result of prolonged muscle imbalance.

Muscle imbalance causes injuries and its those injuries that cause players to miss games... especially when those injuries are below the core of your body. When the imbalance is in your shoulder where you obviously don't have the same physical stresses as hips, knees and ankles do... it doesn't always manifest in a torn shoulder... just inflammation which is still an injury.

Australian Rules footballers suffer from it a lot and studies have been done into how muscle imbalance causes pain and repetitive injuries in players. It's a real thing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3392162/

Hell even Dwayne Wade was regularly straining hamstrings which they suspected was due to "muscle imbalance". I guess he was just making it up too huh?

While it’s unclear what exactly has caused Wade’s injuries, improper pre-game warm-ups or muscle imbalances in his legs may be to blame.

https://www.airrosti.com/nba-star-game-hamstring-injury-keeps-wade/

[LloydFree]

LloydFree in particular, who would probably still find a way to justify it over Fultz.

Actually it is pretty easy to justify. We'd have a superior talent who also isnt scared to play basketball. And we'd still have two future unprotected picks (from two of the worst teams in the league) coming to us.

Probably because I enjoy someone going against the grain of the forum, keep up the good work.

and yes, until Fultz proves it on the court, you are basically correct. Why folks get upset by is beyond me.

Those pesky contrarians ruin everything. Thinking they are smarter than everybody, SMH. Contrarians are bad for society.

[BigSleep333]

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

Man you are just being annoying as hell now. Players miss games all the time due to muscle imbalance except it is never called that... its called a "strain" and it's usually the end result of prolonged muscle imbalance.

Muscle imbalance causes injuries and its those injuries that cause players to miss games... especially when those injuries are below the core of your body. When the imbalance is in your shoulder where you obviously don't have the same physical stresses as hips, knees and ankles do... it doesn't always manifest in a torn shoulder... just inflammation which is still an injury.

Australian Rules footballers suffer from it a lot and studies have been done into how muscle imbalance causes pain and repetitive injuries in players. It's a real thing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3392162/

Hell even Dwayne Wade was regularly straining hamstrings which they suspected was due to "muscle imbalance". I guess he was just making it up too huh?

While it’s unclear what exactly has caused Wade’s injuries, improper pre-game warm-ups or muscle imbalances in his legs may be to blame.

https://www.airrosti.com/nba-star-game-hamstring-injury-keeps-wade/

a strain is not a muscle imbalance. muscle imbalance MAY BE to blame for this injury. so even if it was the cause he got a strain, he could play through it and isnt even labeled as an injury.

im gonna end my rage here. i focus on embiid and everything is fine. i would love to see fultz coming back with his college shot and rockin the playoffs with us. this is just weird in all aspects

[broseph13]

Fultz is probably just shook and not ready to play at the NBA level. All this muscular imbalance stuff is borderline nonsense, imo. He's just not ready mentally or physically for the NBA.

[BigSleep333]

one more thing i found about muscle imbalance. interesting part especially for "elite athletes" aka pros:

https://drpompa.com/additional-resources/health-tips/how-to-fix-muscle-imbalance

Elite athlete. “If you’re an elite athlete, maybe you’ll cut out a little bit of the time that you’re spending in the gym weight training. What you want to do is just use these five exercises initially, and then replace them over time. Use these five exercises. Do your workout, so you’re still playing basketball, or you’ll still play your sport. Within a few weeks, you’ll notice that your posture’s improved. Do that plumb line test, and you’ll see, “Where do I stand?”

so a doctor says you could still play basketball...oh my. i just cant get peace with this **** ****

[cool93]

Fultz is probably just shook and not ready to play at the NBA level. All this muscular imbalance stuff is borderline nonsense, imo. He's just not ready mentally or physically for the NBA.

He was playing good to great for a rookie in almost every aspect of the game. The problem was only that he didn't take shots, how can you say that he is not ready? You can not forget how to shoot in couple month.

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[bryanwithawhy]

Cover up for what? It doesn't even make any sense.

him shooting like shaq? a) hes embarrassed shootin like that while picked at #1 and b) BC for not lookin like the biggest fool. so they gave him time to work on his J behind closed doors. what doesnt make any sense is, is him not practicing with the team, despite bein healthy.

There's nothing to cover up, everyone already knew he was shooting weird.

But, they were able to excuse the shooting/form because they said he injured his shoulder. Now that his shoulder is 100% he will have no excuse if he is still shooting the same way as before. If you guys can't connect the dots I don't know what to tell you. This is becoming more of a mental issue than a physical one.

[BigSleep333]

Fultz is probably just shook and not ready to play at the NBA level. All this muscular imbalance stuff is borderline nonsense, imo. He's just not ready mentally or physically for the NBA.

He was playing good to great for a rookie in almost every aspect of the game. The problem was only that he didn't take shots, how can you say that he is not ready? You can not forget how to shoot in couple month.

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thats not true though. he looked better on d than expected but not taking jumpers wasnt the only negative. he got blocked on his drives at an absurd rate.

[Ettorefm]

well 99% of the time there is no reason to not "believe" what you have been told. this case is obv not that certain. show me ONE EXAMPLE where a player sits out 2+ months for muscular imbalance and doesnt practice for at least 3 weeks, after news was released the player has no more pain and i will shut up forever regarding fultz. please give me something

Show me one example of a player that has had scapular muscle imbalance in his/her shoulder. You seem certain that there is an acceptable time table for this injury well show me a situation where a player has been diagnosed with the same injury to his/her shoulder and has come back within what you seem to "deem" an acceptable time frame.

No I don't mean an example where "my cousin's mother in laws nephew's nieces son had the same injury and came back in a week". I mean legitimate examples of this same injury. I looked and couldn't find any but since your speaking with some decisiveness maybe you've seen an example of this injury before.

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

So basically an argument from ignorance. I'd delete my post if I said something like this on a public forum. "I don't understand it, therefore it's BS".

[Kobblehead]

I liked what I saw from Fultz, minus the unwillingness to shoot.

He was finishing over 60% at the rim, playing active defense and deflecting balls, and utilizing his space-freeing package better than he ever did as Washington.

[bryanwithawhy]

Read this article and timeline from November 3rd: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2742212-this-is-not-normal-markelle-fultz-injury-reasons-behind-it-confound-the-nba

Look at that video where he throws a bullet pass with his right hand where he has to raise his arm over his shoulder.

Can anyone explain why everyone has different stories and why his agent has to go from saying he had fluid drained to saying he had a cortisone shot?

They are clearly hiding something for unknown reasons. Maybe it is mental. Maybe he injured his shoulder and lied about how it happened to the 76ers. Maybe he changed his shot. Maybe he didn't.

It's obvious the Sixers and Fultz are not comfortable with providing a clear timeline of what happened because there is something they want to hide. Who knows what that is but for you guys to say it's just a shoulder injury is ridiculous.

[BigSleep333]

Show me one example of a player that has had scapular muscle imbalance in his/her shoulder. You seem certain that there is an acceptable time table for this injury well show me a situation where a player has been diagnosed with the same injury to his/her shoulder and has come back within what you seem to "deem" an acceptable time frame.

No I don't mean an example where "my cousin's mother in laws nephew's nieces son had the same injury and came back in a week". I mean legitimate examples of this same injury. I looked and couldn't find any but since your speaking with some decisiveness maybe you've seen an example of this injury before.

since i dont know ANY PLAYER in the history of sports who had this **** and missed games, its one more reason to think this is complete BS.

So basically an argument from ignorance. I'd delete my post if I said something like this on a public forum. "I don't understand it, therefore it's BS".

where do you see ignorance? ignorance would be if i said its BS fultz didnt play one day after he had a torn ACL.

my post is more about suspiciousness than anything else.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Closest athlete I've seen diagnosed with this issue or something similar in the shoulder is Michael Wacha on the Cardinals. He's a pitcher and there is a lot of differences there but he was diagnosed with a similar injury that puzzled him and members of the Cardinals he ended up missing a month flat out the gate. He eventually came back and looked like absolute crap to the point they were going to put him back on the DL. Obviously pitching is a lot different than playing basketball but it's the only thing I can find that is remotely similar