DDs defense sucks.

[VanWest82]

Anyone ever do the stats on Demar's defense when PJ was here to call him on it?

It really is too bad that he doesn't take pride in defense the way he does being an elite scorer. Our life would be so much simpler.

I'd like to see this too though nba.com doesn't seem to want to let you break up the individual play type stats based on calendar like they do for other stats. It would be really interesting to see his PnR defense or isolation pre vs post all star break last year.

VVV, does synergy let you do that? I'm pretty sure nba.com is just pulling from synergy anyways but maybe part of their agreement is not all the functionality transfers.

So far in 17/18 nba.com says DD is in the 8th percentile (1.01 ppp) defending ball handlers in PnR over 67 possessions. He's in the 23rd percentile (1.08 ppp) defending isolations but only on 13 attempts. It's really incredible he doesn't get attacked more.

[Buff]

I'd like to see this too though nba.com doesn't seem to want to let you break up the individual play type stats based on calendar like they do for other stats. It would be really interesting to see his PnR defense or isolation pre vs post all star break last year.

VVV, does synergy let you do that? I'm pretty sure nba.com is just pulling from synergy anyways but maybe part of their agreement is not all the functionality transfers.

So far in 17/18 nba.com says DD is in the 8th percentile (1.01 ppp) defending ball handlers in PnR over 67 possessions. He's in the 23rd percentile (1.08 ppp) defending isolations but only on 13 attempts. It's really incredible he doesn't get attacked more.

If Casey is good at something is at hiding DD, but does get attacked a lot. You can go check what percentage of open 3s against us are directly attributable to DD.

[VanWest82]

I'd like to see this too though nba.com doesn't seem to want to let you break up the individual play type stats based on calendar like they do for other stats. It would be really interesting to see his PnR defense or isolation pre vs post all star break last year.

VVV, does synergy let you do that? I'm pretty sure nba.com is just pulling from synergy anyways but maybe part of their agreement is not all the functionality transfers.

So far in 17/18 nba.com says DD is in the 8th percentile (1.01 ppp) defending ball handlers in PnR over 67 possessions. He's in the 23rd percentile (1.08 ppp) defending isolations but only on 13 attempts. It's really incredible he doesn't get attacked more.

If Casey is good at something is at hiding DD, but does get attacked a lot. You can go check what percentage of open 3s against us are directly attributable to DD.

I refuse to take the bait! Lol. But Casey isn't "hiding" DD outside of having OG start games guarding the opposing team's more dangerous wing threat. It's not like we have Boston era IT rules where DD can't switch onto certain guys, etc.. FWIW, we don't hide JV either. You have to go to extremes to really hide guys in today's NBA. Teams are just too good at generating switches until they get the mismatch like we've seen with JV numerous times over the years.

DD's biggest problem IMO is his second and third efforts in a defensive possession. He's generally ok on the initial action (whatever it is) but then he'll get lost, or lose his man, or make the wrong decision, or just flat out not try...and it's glaring.

[416]

I don't know why OP is baiting people or why he is being so passive-aggressive. Sounds like someone didn't let him say what he wanted to on a different thread, and this is a place where he can have his feelings validated?

Whether he is joking, is he actually trying to stop people from discussing certain relevant issues? For example, if JV is causing the defensive schema of the team to crumble (I'm not making a statement one way or another btw), shouldn't that be part of the discussion as to why it can impact his other teammates defense?

All of those stats have such major flaws too, and its not granular/detailed enough to definitively conclude someone's defensive impact. Anyone would lack the adequate sample size when trying to collect such detailed information.

I'll use contested 3PA as an example. There is a difference between having your shot contested by Jose Calderon vs Giannis Antetokounmpo. Simple as that. Now apply that logic to other stats.

#FOH

[Kabookalu]

I don't know why OP is baiting people or why he is being so passive-aggressive. Sounds like someone didn't let him say what he wanted to on a different thread, and this is a place where he can have his feelings validated?

It's in response to people claiming there's a double standard in regards to Jonas and DeMar's defense, and also to people claiming VVV is a Jonas hater.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I don't know why OP is baiting people or why he is being so passive-aggressive. Sounds like someone didn't let him say what he wanted to on a different thread, and this is a place where he can have his feelings validated?

It's in response to people claiming there's a double standard in regards to Jonas and DeMar's defense, and also to people claiming VVV is a Jonas hater.

More or less.

Everytime I talk bad about JVs defense, ppl exclaim what about DDs?? So now we have a thread about it.

@VanWest, its difficult to pull with Synergys dating system, ill see what I can do tonight after work.

[emptytheclip]

Is there a correlation between usage and defensive metrics?

I’m thinking you really need defensive big men on the floor to cover for him if you plan to keep his usage the way it is. I love JV since we drafted him but even I can admit these two are not separate problems. They don’t fit.

It’s fine if you plan to keep this treadmill going. But if there’s any ambition to become #1 in then it’s pretty clear going over the lux tax to keep the team this way makes no sense.

[bonbons]

You can tell who actually watches raptor games with the way people were overrating Derozan like crazy. Dumbasses like Kenny Smith were putting him over Lowry, which is delusional. Derozan is the most overrated "superstar" ever. I don't know how fans can watch him play terribly in the playoffs and then defend him with some (Please Use More Appropriate Word) logic like "nobody else can take that shot! We need derozan to force those shots!." Yeah man, nobody else on our team can dribble off their feet and take contested iso fade aways at the end of a game.

[TerryTate]

I don't why JV haters always keep tryin' to derail threads.

OP has a valid point. It's a team game, people should be held accountable, even the stars.

Teams winning...... yet the hate on this board ..... Raps fans crazy since day 1

[CoachJReturns]

DeMar has always been a bad defender. And for anyone who feels the news to mention it, JV is also a poor defender especially defending the pick and roll and matched up with stretch bugs like Channing Frye.
Criticizing one doesn't mean ignoring the weaknesses of the other.

In short, having 2 of your top paid players be poor defenders can really suck.

[mrdressup]

Who cares about one player stats if you can take five players together and get good team stats out of it. Any 5 in the league would be quite fortunate to have a DeMar like offensive talent to put in the mix. His offense output is actually incredibly predictable and he's shooting better percentages than ever on high volume. It's the defense of the guys you round up your 5 with that matters, and that's where JV is an unreliable headache at a very crucial defensive position.

[PoundTown]

I haven't looked at the analytics, and probably don't obsess over that as much as many here, but I've thought recently, his defense has been better. I mean, he still has the odd lapse or possession that he gives up on, but his alertness is way better, and you are seeing him stay in front of guys at times better than he ever has by shuffling in his feet and committing to his stance. Just what I am seeing - the issue seems more to be about consistency from possession to possession now in my opinion - and like the prior poster said, his offense far makes up for it. I see Demar as a plus offensive player, and a passable defensive player. Not a liability in my eyes. Once was, but not so much anymore.

[Kabookalu]

When I went to the Clippers game, the thing that stuck out to me was DeMar's effort level. He was actively communicating with the team and rotating where he needed to be. I thought he'd take possessions off, especially since we played the night before in Sacramento, but from what I saw he didn't do anything of the sort. One area that stuck out like a sore thumb though was his closeouts, they were awful. Every time he closed out on a 3 point shooter they blew by him, but from what I saw it wasn't because he was lazy, but he was physically incapable of closing out AND trying to contain the drive. On plays where he needed to defend Rivers or Lou in one on one situations he looked really good.

Another area that he struggled in a lot were pick and rolls. He doesn't fight through screens well at all. Though this is where I lay some blame on Jonas because of how far back he sags. When DeMar defended a pick and roll with Ibaka or Poeltl it made his job easier (with that said I wish he fought through screens better, takes too long trying to get over them and puts more pressure on Ibaka and Poeltl who need to rotate back to the roller).

What's unfortunate is that today's spacing, ball movement, and pick and roll heavy style attacks DeRozan's defense where it's weakest. In the 90's he probably would have been seen as an above average to good defender where the ball doesn't move as much and players don't have to cover a grand amount of space.

[whitehops]

Take this example:

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Bojan faked a pick but DD already made up his mind that a pick was going to happen, he got caught so bad and Powell got screwed over at that moment, now in no mans land because of the zig zag between DD and Bojan. Easy pass for the ball handler and an open three or driving lane. Poeltl runs up and Bojan blows by him with Powell trying to recover on him even though he shouldn't have had to.

Bojan gets the foul drawn and almost had an and-1. DD just doesn't have good defensive awareness and it's one reason why they try to hide him so strongly.

that play is on powell. derozan has to get to the sideline early otherwise oladipo can turn the corner. because he has to get so far over it's powell's responsibility to switch onto bojan if he slips the screen, which he does. instead powell chases dipo, leaves his assignment and doesn't try to make the pass any more difficult.

DD would've called a screen when he saw bojan go to set the pick, it looks like powell just had tunnel vision on his man which is one of powell's weaknesses as a defender. it's almost like he was following dipo and then realized he was supposed to covering bojan when he saw DD next to him lol.

derozan obviously has his warts on defense but that clip is not a good example.